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Thursday, May 21 2009 by

NO TA ON THIS THREAD PLEASE - (edit) and no pointless speculations either!

I've created this thread just to park stuff in that is only tangentially-related to SOCO's interests and doesn't relate to any of the specific assets.


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SOCO International plc is an international oil and gas exploration and production company. The Company has oil and gas interests in Vietnam, which includes Block 9-2 and Block 16-1; Republic of Congo (Brazzaville), which includes Marine XI Block and Marine XIV Block, the Democratic Republic of Congo (Kinshasa), consists of Nganzi block and Block V and Angola, which include Cabinda Onshore North Block. The Company's operations are located in South East Asia and Africa. It holds its interests in the Republic of Congo (Brazzaville), through its 85%-owned subsidiary, SOCO Exploration and Production Congo SA (SOCO EPC). It holds its interests in the Democratic Republic of Congo (Kinshasa) through its 85%-owned subsidiary SOCO Exploration and Production DRC Sprl. The Company’s net entitlement volumes were approximately 15,500 barrels of oil equivalent per day. more »

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ExTownie 15th Nov '11 747 of 1286

In reply to emptyend, post #746

Thanks ee

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peterg 15th Nov '11 748 of 1286

In reply to Isaac, post #743

What would you do Peter if you was in their boat?

Were I in their boat then buybacks is something that might well be worth consideration. However, the overriding consideration is that I am not in their boat! Management have access to a range of data and information that I (and you) can only guess at. I believe that they are much better able than I to run an O&P company, which is why I hold Soco stock, and pay them handsomly to manage the company, rather than investing my cash in Pete's Petroleum (one slighty used oil well) Ltd. It appears from your posts that you feel better able to manage Soco than the current management, in which case I'd suggest you look seriously at the possiblity of setting up your own E&P!


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Isaac 15th Nov '11 749 of 1286

Thanks Pete,

It's not really a case of me being able to run an E+P better then Soco management, as you say it is easy to criticise from the sidelines, but I think all criticism should be well recieved and should be seen as a gift. If I was running a business I would welcome what pointers my critics made rather then what positives I recieved as in effect they are helping me by telling me how I can run my business better to maximise returns.

Ofcourse the critics are not always right, but that does'nt mean they should stop criticising.

As you say I don't have the information that Soco have to hand so clearly they are in a better position then I am to decide on what course the company should take.

If I were the management and I was 67, I don't think I would want to embark on a new full cycle e+p programme which is kinda what they are trying to do in Africa and based on the results to date I would probably scrap Africa apart from Block V which I think is the only prospective acreage left in Soco's Africa portfolio.

I would aggresively buy back shares at the current price, I would then look to ramp up TGT production and in the interim I would look to farm down TGD - once that is done I would look to do a deal for the whole company but leave some upside exposure to TGD/Block V, perhaps selling the assets to a company which allow Soco shareholders to take cash and shares in the acquiror.

That is what I would do.

Right now my gut instinct tells me a deal probably won't be done for another year as Soco would want to maximise value from TGT and I think for them to be able to do that they would need production date from Phase 2 of TGT and production start up does'nt occur until August 2012 and then you need 6 months production data etc

This also makes me think it is very possible that we will have another stab at TGD, if they start drilling in March and it takes 3-4 or 5 months to complete it will be in time for TGT Phase 2 production. I just hope they intend to farm down their 65% interest as that well could become very expensive....

Basically this time next year we will have an even better idea of TGD, Phase 2 would have come online, we would have interpreted Block V Seismic data & would have decent production data from Phase 1 as well as a large cash pile. We should also have a much better idea of CNV Gas, Gas Liquids and Oil as the separator is expected to be installed in Q1 2012.

I just think this time next year we will be in a much better position to do a deal then we will be in say Feb/March 2012 as more of the unknowns would be clear, I also expect Oil prices to be higher then current levels.

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ArtNouveau 15th Nov '11 750 of 1286

If TGD came off then I think a lot of us would be retiring!

We can dream. ;)


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extrader 15th Nov '11 751 of 1286

Hi Isaac,

I tend to concur with your suggested timeline set out in 749, tho' I'd personally prefer to get paid out earlier.....

Who knows ? Perhaps that IS Soco management's cunning which case we can all wait quietly (and patiently ?) for them to implement - non ?

Anything that happens earlier than late 2012/early 2013 woul then be a bonus !


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emptyend 16th Nov '11 752 of 1286

In reply to Isaac, post #749

If I were the management and I was 67, I don't think I would want to embark on a new full cycle e+p programme which is kinda what they are trying to do in Africa

This is the nub of your problem. There isn't the slightest chance that the exec management will be doing that. It is ALL about trying to add value to the company.

I would aggresively buy back shares at the current price, I would then look to ramp up TGT production and in the interim I would look to farm down TGD - once that is done I would look to do a deal for the whole company but leave some upside exposure to TGD/Block V, perhaps selling the assets to a company which allow Soco shareholders to take cash and shares in the acquiror.

That is what I would do.

So would I... in every detail. And I have told them that, months ago. However, it is one thing to have a clear idea where one is trying to go - and it is quite another to actually get there. It is like using a tell the driver where you want to go, and you leave him to get you DON'T keep telling him every 5 minutes that he is going the wrong way - he has "the knowledge" and you do not! So you leave the driver to it. And if, due to unforeseen circumstances such as road repairs, gas leaks or the coronation of the Queen of Sheba, it should turn out that you can't get precisely to where you would like to be, then it is the job of the driver/management to get you as close as possible.

That is exactly what they are trying to do - even if it might look at times that they are not going the quickest route to get there. That is life - and nothing anyone on bulletin boards can say will make the slightest difference.


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davjo 16th Nov '11 753 of 1286

In reply to emptyend, post #746

Yes. From the last AR. They transferred $313+mn of accrued expenditure and will likely have spent more by now, drilling etc this year. The actual recovery process will surely be more complex than your comment suggests(not least because a chunk of the recovery is from the minority shareholder!) but, on the face of it, it would seem that cost recovery is likely to continue until at least Q3 2012.

In respect of Lizeroux, I was advised some time ago that it was estimated to take 5 or 6 years to unwind their free carry, principally because their costs were being compounded annually at, I think, 9%? Of course, it might take quicker than that in a high oilprice environment.

Of the $313m accrued expenditure referred to, 20% attributed to Lizeroux, I wonder what the actual figure currently owed by them is after interest? Stab in the dark $75m? adding say $40m odd to above figure?

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emptyend 16th Nov '11 754 of 1286

In reply to davjo, post #753

Yes - 9%. Must be in the order of 30% of the total (having started at 20% of total), allowing for the fact that the big money has only been spent quite recently.

AIUI the recovery from the minority partner would be included in the total booked at the group level....but, on revisiting the AR, I see that I picked the wrong number out in my haste last night......they transferred $313mn in 2009 - but then added a further $158mn in 2010 (see note 16). So, with the spending to date in 2011, I'd guess there is something like $530mn of cost recovery to come back.

I'd also think that the agreed method of cost recovery won't be the same for PV as it is for the minority - but the bulk of the costs should be recovered during 2012 IMO.


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emptyend 18th Nov '11 755 of 1286

Lukoil/PV tie-up...and....

Lukoil has said it was seeking to bid for more offshore blocks in Vietnam

Presumably that means bidding for explo blocks - but some of us will recall that it was Lukoil who bought SOCO's Russian interests 10 years ago.


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peterg 24th Nov '11 757 of 1286

In reply to kenobi, post #756

"We are always looking to improve our exploration portfolio and Myanmar is a country that we think could offer opportunities," said deputy chief executive Roger Cagle.

That should make Isaac happy!

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emptyend 25th Nov '11 758 of 1286

In reply to kenobi, post #756

I must say that such a move would make absolutely perfect sense! I would think that they would be looking for shallow water acreage with potential for fans, similar to Cuu Long. I wouldn't be at all surprised either if they partner with PV - and perhaps PTTEP. Note that there have been very recent improvements in the politics in Myanmar (there was a recent interview on the BBC with Aung  San Suu Kyi indicating some significant relaxations and it is clear that she and her party intend to run in the upcoming by-elections)  and there is also talk of Shell partnering in some deepwater acreage.

Structurally the way for SOCO to participate would be to interpose (if necessary) an Asian regional holding company between the main Group and SOCO Vietnam. This could then hold all Asian explo assets - including perhaps any future farm-back-in to TGD....and it would continue unaffected if SOCO International (LON:SIA) simply monetised the main SOCO Vietnam interest. I would expect the actual licence-holding entity to most likely be a new local consortium company, FWIW,similar to the Vietnam JOCs.

This would also make sense in the context of the potential Asian deals flagged earlier in the year. No way of knowing whether they would get whichever blocks were bid for - but, supposing they would be partnered with PV and/or PTTEP, I would think they have an excellent chance!


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Isaac 25th Nov '11 759 of 1286

Top up time, £2.76, yes please!

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icemanpip 25th Nov '11 760 of 1286

Would you believe, I had a SB at £1 point that`s modest, with a stop that I thought would never be reached as long as the sun shone of 275p and got stopped out, unbelievable the way this share price is performing.Where will it all end.

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compounder 25th Nov '11 761 of 1286

In reply to Isaac, post #759

By putting up more hard cash I guess that means you agree with and support managements plans - hence will stop #####ing every 5 mns!

Back to sleep for me - I'll wake up when the Chinese make thier move.

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WeeEck 25th Nov '11 762 of 1286

In reply to icemanpip, post #760

The SB companies do very well out of SOCO. I have seen this so often now. This stock is not very liquid and it does not take much selling to push it down quite hard. I would imagine that quite a few people would have had spreadbets on around the £3 mark and stops 25p below that with exactly the same thinking that you had. As soon as they saw the chance of taking out 275 they would have gone for it. Easy money for them. I would imagine if they have got most of the stops in that region the SP will gradually rise again on even light buying. Unfortunately I am fully topped up and do not really want to buy any more as long as the market is as unsettled as it is just now but for anyone with spare cash these opportunities are welcome gifts.

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kenobi 25th Nov '11 763 of 1286

In reply to WeeEck, post #762

The SB companies do very well out of SOCO

I doubt they give a monkeys which way you bet or which way the market moves, they have punters betting both ways which they offset against each other, take the spread and funding costs, then hedge any outstanding position one way or the other. They win anyway, they would prefer it if their customers won too, that way they could keep betting, betting bigger and making more money.

There may well be players with big positions who sell to try to knock out shorts and then buy back in and make a profit that way, but I doubt the spread betting companies do anything other than playing with the spread, to make it beneficial for them.

I could be wrong, but that's my view.


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kenobi 25th Nov '11 764 of 1286

another 110,000

I can't help but wonder what price the shares would be at if they hadn't bought half a million in the last few weeks.

Still I'm glad they're letting the price slide while buying up relatively high volumes of them.

Soco have been good an the financial management stuff over the years, so I'm sure they won't spend too much on shares, and leave themselves plenty of scope to buy more if the eurozone goes into some kind of meltdown.

missed out on topping up today , will be following it over the next few weeks,


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macroeconomix 28th Nov '11 765 of 1286

NED purchase of £29k worth:

Also another 90k buybacks today.

Better putting that cash into shares in Treasury than hanging onto paper currency IMV :)

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nigelpm 28th Nov '11 766 of 1286

In reply to macroeconomix, post #765

Isn't all currency based on paper?

Yours confused!

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