Playing outcomes on the UK election

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7th May '10 by SW10Chap

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Clegg plays a neat Proportional Representation card by saying that the party with most votes and seats - the Conservatives - should seek to form a government.

They have different fiscal policies, which would suggest a tricky coalition, but does Clegg's statement suggest that PR is what it's all about for the Lib-Dems?

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Isaac

12th May '10

I think you'll find the Libdems held them to ransom on this inheritance tax move Isaac.

That precisely is the problem. That is exactly what the tory party will say when confronted, they will simply blame the Libs.

The simple fact is we have a PM who got 6 times as many votes as Clegg, but Clegg manages to stand shoulder to shoulder when as he rightly described it the Libs had a disappointing election. Camron gave away too much power and I expect the main party supporters and Conservative back benchers to rebel.

I don't think this coalition will last long either.....

Let's not kid ourselves, regardless of who won there would have been hefty cuts and tax rises.

What I find frustrating is these senior intelligent highly educated individuals can get away with making promises and then as soon as they get into power they have the same old Spin and nonsense that follows with ALL POLITICIANS.....

Nothing ever changes.......Anyway I guess I will have to be on the top of my game...

I still expect the very rich to find loopholes to get away withwhatever minimum tax they can pay...

It will be interesting to read more of the detail and especially interested to find out about the upcoming budget.....

AnonymousUser858

12th May '10

"...we have a PM who got 6 times as many votes as Clegg..."

thats not true

Isaac

12th May '10

"...we have a PM who got 6 times as many votes as Clegg..."

Let me rephrase that....

The tories got almost 6 times as many SEATS as Lib Dems....

I still don't think Clegg and co should have as much power as they have been given. They only got 23% of the vote!

Fangorn

12th May '10

Slight exaggeration yes!

Votes in England:
Conservative 10.7m
Labour 8.6m
Libdems 6.8m

What is more surprising than the fact that 31million didnt even vote!(Total voter turnout 29.65m) is that 8.6m still voted Labour, even after the financial mess they're responsible for landing us in.

Fangorn

12th May '10

In terms of seats, yes, you are spot on and I agree that the Libdems shouldn't have been given so many concessions, got 5 cabinet seats and the deputy PM'ship for their paltry showing which was worse than the last election!

Still we are entering unchartered waters, the pain that is coming is necessary and few will escape it. Fingers crossed we sail through to the other side and aren't sunk in titanicesque fashion on route.

What is clear however is that strong government is needed and that the country as a whole needs to be changed - root and branch reform imv. A greater emphasis on personal responsibility than perceived rights, an end to welfare parasitism(with those found to be taking the mickey separated from their ill deserved cheques - together we can hopefully make this country great again but it is going to take sacrifices by all of us.

We truly are all in this together.

nigelpm

12th May '10

What is more surprising than the fact that 31million didnt even vote!(Total voter turnout 29.65m) is that 8.6m still voted Labour, even after the financial mess they're responsible for landing us in.

Voter turnout was between 65% and 70% - around 45m are eligible to vote - where are you getting your figures from?

Isaac

12th May '10

I think one thing the public and media does'nt seem to strongly credit Brown for is the stimulus, rescue of the banks and I'm sure he had some influence in reducing interest rates.

The effects of all of the above and more saved many jobs and houses.

But the truth remains it is Gordon who put us in this mess, and he made a lot of serious errors over the last 13 years as chancellor and as PM.

But given what was said at the time by Cons/Lib Dems about rescuing the banks and stimulus etc etc I think it is a time to be fearful. The reality is they showed their inexperience at the time and the reality is the current PM/Cabinet lacks experience.......

I would feel more comfortable with Kenneth Clarke as Chancellor then Osborne....

I expect there to be several more mistakes to be made by the new government...

And I think now is the time to be fearful of what lies ahead...

Isaac

12th May '10

Would the UK be better off if it just defaulted on its loans, had a couple of painful years and then just recovered?

Imagine the amount of money that could be saved in Interest payments on our debt. I wonder how many more nurses, teachers and fireman we could get for the money?

Isaac

12th May '10

Does anyone know what is the figure for unrealised capital gains on property?

I've heard a figure of £3 trillion .... But would be interested in more sources quoting such number.

Imagine a rush for the exits between now and next April when CGT hikes are said to come in play.....

I SERIOUSLY think the Housing is set for an outright crash....And this time a proper crash.

Isaac

12th May '10

For those that wish to manage their tax affairs better in terms of CGT on shares it is worth reading WShak' post...

http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=11922715

emptyend

13th May '10

What is more surprising than the fact that 31million didnt even vote!(Total voter turnout 29.65m) is that 8.6m still voted Labour, even after the financial mess they're responsible for landing us in.

Not that surprising. 8.6mn is probably about the number who were either given jobs by Brown, more benefits by Brown (using money borrowed from the rest of us!) or were deliberately frightened by Brown into voting Labour by raising the irrelevant ghost of Thatcher ("same old Tories" etc etc.....whereas it is perfectly obvious after only 24 hours that it isn't the "same old Tories" at all!! The "same old Tories" would rather have taken strychnine than entered a coalition of ANY sort with the LibDems, never mind the sort of all-embracing one we now have).

In fact 8.6mn is probably a very good measure of the extent of the extended culture of dependancy that we now have in the UK.......and that is something that simply MUST change, before the rest of us go bankrupt and external forces do the essential benefit-cutting for us.

[ps.....why won't that poisinous Yvette Cooper just disappear off our TVs for a few months? Stop giving her airtime, folks - I'm fed up of looking at her! At least Alistair Campbell is always on because he's flogging the subliminal message that he has another book coming out!]

Fangorn

13th May '10

Typo Nigel re the 31million not voting.

Concur completely with your thoughts EE.

Interesting Cabinet I have to say;
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/13ca9cc4-5dc8-11df-b4fc-00144feab49a.html

The Chancellor / Treasury looks alot stronger with Laws and Cable behind Osbourne.

Will be interesting to see things pan out.

Isaac

14th May '10

23 Cabinet ministers....4 Women...and one person from an ethnic background!

14% of the cabinet is represented by Women.....This government is becoming a JOKE!

I strongly believe Women and people from ethnic minorities should be widely represented in society whether it be in Government or top jobs in the country. You can't just put 4 women, one of them an Asian lady and say to the rest of the country that is your ethnic diverse government. The electorate are no fools.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8675705.stm

£20bn cuts to the NHS I read in the Evening Standard today.....I don't use the NHS myself, but I know there are many members in this society that do and it is those people that I feel for!

Why does this country need all these Cabinet ministers? Each of these are being paid about £100k+!!

I'd rather have 5 extra nurses per cabinet minister then this so called nonsense.

All I sense is more government waste from creating Cabinet jobs to satisfy the Lib Dems and express the view that they have been given a certain amount of power at the same time creating cabinet jobs to satisfy Cameron's allies in the Conservative party!

This is nonsense.............The detail will be clear to the mass with time and this coalition will be thrown out...

I still predict Labour will be back in power in 5 years or 2-3 years time if that is when the next election is as the electorate turns their back on the Lib Dems and Conservatives which both promised policies in their manifesto only to turn theur backs as soon as they went into office.

Not that surprising. 8.6mn is probably about the number who were either given jobs by Brown, more benefits by Brown

Alan Sugar donated £400k to the Labour party....don't think he lived of Brown's benefits. I don't believe benefits should be given to people who are capable of working, but I do believe individuals who are not so fortunate and genuinely do need help should be helped and there should be a benefits system in place to provide that support.

For me personlly I would be better off with an outright Conservative government, but the truth is this society is not just about me...there are others involved and it is worth looking beyond me me me.....

Isaac

14th May '10

The £ is now 1.457 against the $.....A reflection of a weak government. The markets know better then most people...

Fangorn

14th May '10

Fangorn

14th May '10

The £ is now 1.457 against the $.....A reflection of a weak government. The markets know better then most people...

Eh no, the weak pound is a reflection of poor March trade deficit figures and ongoing worries about the massive size of the debt this country has run up under Labour. Sterling is going to be weak for a while yet.

Isaac

15th May '10

I strongly believe Isaac that that such representation should be on the basis of individual capability and suitability, rather than on some dubious affirmative action policy.

OK - So are you suggesting there are no other Women or non-pale individuals who can do these ministerial jobs? I don't think so. IMO these jobs have been given to David Cameron and Nick Cleggs best mates.

They are just a bunch of public school boys who have been given hefty salaries and a title to their name!

This coalition will come under fire for the under representation of women and for not having enough diversity

Read this article...I am not alone in my thoughts.

Not enough women in government, says new equalities minister

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7726717/Not-enough-women-in-government-says-new-equalities-minister.html

Fangorn

15th May '10

I strongly believe Isaac that that such representation should be on the basis of individual capability and suitability, rather than on some dubious affirmative action policy.

OK - So are you suggesting there are no other Women or non-pale individuals who can do these ministerial jobs? I don't think so.

Where do I suggest that Isaac?

They are just a bunch of public school boys who have been given hefty salaries and a title to their name!

Public school chip on your shoulder perchance? They arent all public school boys either.
Are you telling me that you'd be in favour of a more balanced representation, to reflect that 50% odd of our population are woman, regardless of their ability for the role at hand even if it means promoting them above their ability?(Affirmative action)

This coalition will come under fire for the under representation of women and for not having enough diversity
Read this article...I am not alone in my thoughts.

Any government that isn't made up of 50% men,50% women will come under fire for under representation of women - the facts are clear however, not enough capable women want to go into politics so to achieve that balance alot of dross would have to be promoted above their station.

As I clearly said, IMO, promotion should be on the basis of merit, not some dubious affirmative action policy to fiddle a suitably politically correct makeup of the cabinet.

Not enough women in government, says new equalities minister

Hardly surprising coming from her frankly. One of the top three governments jobs has gone to a woman, home secretary. People like her wont be happy until the whole cabinet is comprised of women - and of course those women have to follow her similar liberal attitudes to everything.Margaret thatcher achieving the highest post just doesn't count in her eyes no doubt. if you are going to pursue such a politically correct policy for the sake of it all you end up with is imbeciles promoted far above their capability - eg Jacqui Smith

Isaac

15th May '10

Fangom, I am not saying what you are implying that I am saying!

Just because a women is a women does not mean she has earnt the right to be in cabinet.

What I am saying is a women is just as capable as a man to do a certain job!! And therefore I do not beleive that out of all the women politiclans that only 4 could be chosen from a cabinet of 23!

You keep hammering home that promotion should be on merit.....the reality is the City is not very fond of Osbornes ability...and neither has most of these cabinet ministers ever worked in a cabinet role...and I would be interested to know what some of these people have actually achieved to have just recieved such a promotion.

As I said it is Camerons mates and Nicks mates that are holding these posts.

Sadly in the world we live in likeability plays a big part in how far you go, the most capable and able person won't go to the top if most people don't like him/her!!!!

At the same time the average Joe can do very well in his/her career just because he gets on with a lot of people and has the likeability factor.

Isaac

15th May '10

I don't think these politicians have to be as bright as some think they should be........if they were bright, this country would not be in such a damn mess....you can get any old tom richard and hank to be in cabinet as that indiviudual will have loads of advisers below him......

There should be more diversification...this inequalitiy is a reflection of the broken society this country has...people do not get treated equally and fairly...

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