Following Paul Scott's example, I'm setting up a post for general discussion about Vertu Motors.
Please feel free to post anything about £VTU in the comments to this thread.
Rational bull & bear views welcomed. Please keep it civil!
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Following Paul Scott's example, I'm setting up a post for general discussion about Vertu Motors.
Please feel free to post anything about £VTU in the comments to this thread.
Rational bull & bear views welcomed. Please keep it civil!
I hold Vertu Motors (LON:VTU) – one of the main attractions to me is that its trading at less than tangible book value, despite being a profitable business.
I’ve been looking at the book valuation a little more, in particular the method to value the “Freehold and long leasehold land and buildings”. At 28/2/21, the accounts show this has a book value of £229m.
The annual report says that “Property, plant and equipment Property, plant and equipment are stated at cost less accumulated depreciation and any impairment in value. Cost includes expenditure that is directly attributable to the acquisition of the asset. Assets’ residual values, useful lives and methods of depreciation are reviewed, and adjusted if appropriate, at each financial year end. Freehold land is not depreciated.”
If property is stated at cost, would it be a fair assumption to say that it's likely to be undervalued right now on the balance sheet, given the general increases in the valuations of land / buildings in recent years? And, if so, the shares are actually potentially trading at an even greater discount to the value of tangible assets than it may initially appear?
Apologies if that’s a daft question!
PI World interview with CEO Robert Forrester on August 17th - can sign up here https://www.piworld.co.uk/even...
CEO Robert Forrester will be on ITV's Undercover Boss on August 12th at 9pm - might be interesting https://investors.vertumotors....
It is a reasonable guess that the freehold land may be undervalued due to recent increases in property values. It should not be overvalued because if that were the case it would need to be impaired and reduced to the current valuation.
Even when there are valuations given these need to be interpreted carefully and may vary dependent on whether the valuation is on a current use or alternative use basis.
Looking at the results announcement for FY21, Vertu Motors (LON:VTU) disposed of surplus property at a small profit: "The Group disposed of a surplus property asset in the Period generating cash proceeds of £0.8m and a profit on disposal, included within the underlying result of £0.4m." In FY20 they also made a profit of £0.2m on property disposals realising £3.3m. I'm not sure that this could be extrapolated across the entire portfolio but it certainly gives support to your view that the likely value is higher than the book value.
I hold and hope to benefit from a rerating of the shares.
There doesnt appear to have been an RNS for this as far as I can see - Vertu have acquired the global vehicle lighting businesses Powerbulbs and Car Bulbs Direct, to join its existing online car parts retailer, Aceparts. The Group has purchased the businesses, including the websites powerbulbs.com and carbulbsdirect.com, from Network Brands Limited for £480,000. More here - https://www.recognitionpr.co.u...
Impressive PI World presentation this PM.
Benefit of the PR from the covert CEO TV prog seems big! More serious issues were also well set out.
I watched the PI World presentation as part of my research into this and I was sceptical of one of the CEO's comments regarding EV trends and servicing.
Servicing revenue is a large part of Vertu Motors (LON:VTU) 's revenue, and he said that the average service or repair bill for an EV is higher than an ICE car, which I find hard to believe. From my understanding, the architecture of an EV is much simpler than an ICE car, with fewer moving parts.
Does anyone else have deeper insight into this?
To be fair to him he said he didn't know what the long term impact was and he sourced that comment from a US company (can't remember the name) who has said it in recent statements.
He also said that electric car sales are still a very small percentage of total car sales and although he expects it to grow up to 2030 he still expects the majority of sales to be combustion engine till then. Even after that he expects a lot of combustion engine cars to stay on the road for years.
H also said any impact either way won't be felt for years. Way after most current investors investing timeline.
I hold. I think they're being very Conservative with second half numbers compared to peers and the current price is more than covered by tangible assets.
There may well be developmental issues involved here. Teslas, or at least earlier ones, were notoriously expensive to repair, it was claimed partly, at least, due to lack of consideration for the issues in the design. If that's true then as EV's mature repair costs may reduce. But there is as a lot of expensive electronics and an expensive battery in EVs, if those get damaged costs will be high.
As far as I can see, the only reason electric vehicles would get anywhere near petrol and diesel servicing costs is if either the electric vehicles are unreliable, or the owners are happy to over pay for the servicing.
Over time, unreliable electric car brands are likely to lose market share to the reliable ones.
Of course, there should still be a solid requirement for servicing every 2 years or so.
I watched it again and he actually said the 'average invoice' was larger, he also said being new technology they go wrong more. So, two points ... the average servicing invoice might be lower but repair invoice much higher. Secondly as reliability of electric cars gets better, their expensive repair bills will go down. One other point, on a positive note, electric cars will need specialist servicing, which small independent repairers won't be qualified to take on (yet), so driving more high margin repair work into people like Vertu.
Another big profit upgrade less than a month since the previous one. I think they're being very cautious for the second half and could see more upgrades imo.
Hi all!
The Stockopedia team has decided to create some new short-form articles to expand our editorial coverage and focus on more community-led ideas. I've covered Vertu Motors in our very first 'Stock Brief', which you can read here.
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Keelan
Article today by the BBC about the continued upwards trend in second hand car prices. Some of the increases are quite incredible. Local dealerships expect prices to remain high for the next 6-12 months.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/bus...
I have been a Vertu Motors (LON:VTU) holder for a while.
Firstly buying in about a year ago and then adding to it a couple of times in the middle of this year.
I am watching this one closely having seen many of my shares drift down over the last 2 or 3 months and beginning to now question my strategy for getting out of stocks.......its very painful watching things go from being a healthy profit into a reasonable loss.
I appreciate as a long-term holder many of these don't matter if your original thesis for buying remains intact and you truly believe that value will shine through over the following years.
However, Vertu Motors (LON:VTU) is not a long-term holding in my eyes. I see it as a medium term holding and am looking to take advantage of the profits they are making this year due to the supply issues etc.
Therefore I have been giving some thought as to when is the right time to get out?
There will be huge number of holders who are doing something similar, so surely the price will get to a point where a lot of people begin to take their money off the table and the price drops sharply........others see the start of a drop and everyone does the same thing thereby adding to the drops.
Therefore what is the right price. I think Paul has commented on somewhere between 70-83p & the Vertu Motors (LON:VTU) brokers average at around 90p. Another write up elswehere suggests 85p.
I am determined not to be greedy here and end up missing the boat, so have sold out a small amount over the last few days. The purpose of my note is to simply see if others share the same thoughts and how others look to time their sales - this is one of the hardest parts of investing and its not something I've managed to get to the point where I am comfortable with the way i do it.
Obviously there is then also the chance of a buy-out/takeover, but I am not looking to try and bring this into the equation as I feel that simply clouds your judgement and will likely lead to hanging on, never seeing it come to fruition and watching the price slip away.
Does anyone have any thoughts? Not necessarily on Vertu Motors (LON:VTU) but also on wider selling strategy.
Hi glad you posted this.
I am in exactly the same position.
I think the answer is to top trim your position first if you think there is a possibility of more upside or a takeover. My original target price was 85 when I bought earlier in the year so we’re not far off.Sometimes the lack of fluidity in UK stocks gets very frustrating , thought this share would have moved more then it has.
My personal, perhaps simplistic, view is that whilst they are effectively trading at a value so close to their tangible book value, and the valuation on a PE basis still looks reasonable once earnings return to much more "normal" levels, then Im happy to continue to hold.
Guess the problem is determining what are "normal" levels.
It's worth remembering that Vertu Motors (LON:VTU) was never a highly rated share in the past (Jan 2020, pre-covid SR)
http://reports.stockopedia.co....
PER for the following year was 6.7 + trading at a 16% discount to TNAV.
PER for the following year as we speak is 11 and 19% premium to TNAV.
That said, none of the analysts have been increasing their FY 2023 forecasts and they look quite a bit light to me.
I top-sliced after last week's TU just to be on the safe-side but am probably holding from here as they look good value
Phil
Quite a fall today.
People getting nervous that the BB has stopped?
General market sell-out of small caps (noticed quite a few down 5%) ?
Nervous times!
Phil