Daily Stock Market Report (Fri 4 April 2025) - THG, JEMI, GOT, CAV, QUBE
Good morning.
It has been a tough week in the markets - the FTSE down 2.2% and the AIM down 4.5%. At least stocks can't go down any further tomorrow!
As the fallout continues from Trump's tariff announcement, I'm still hopeful that this will be a temporary rather than a semi-permanent obstacle to global trade. This quote stood out to me, reported in the last few hours:
That’s the beauty of what we do. We put ourselves in the driver’s seat. If we would have asked some of these countries, most of these countries, to do us a favour, they would have said now they’ll do anything for us," Trump said.
“If somebody said they are ready to give you something phenomenal, it’s good," Trump added, on being asked if he would make a deal with countries.
Therefore I'm still hopeful that despite what Trump's aides have said, this is in fact an enormous negotiating tactic. And that in six months, perhaps many of the tariffs will be reduced if not eliminated completely, with Trump able to point to various concessions he has achieved for the United States.
But I acknowledge that in the short-term, this prospect is cold comfort. We'll have to assume these tariffs are here to stay for the time being.
12pm: I see that China is hitting back with a 34% tariff on all US goods from April 10th. Index movements:
- Dow futures down 2.6% overnight after falling 4% yesterday.
- The FTSE is down nearly 4% today (down 6% in total this week).
- The AIM All-Share is down 3% (down 7% in total this week).
These are the days when a brisk walk outside, or a relaxing swim, can be the best response. Those with cash may consider buying quality merchandise when it is marked down. As usual, I am not hitting the sell button on anything today!
(This report is done for today, please enjoy your weekend!)
Companies Reporting
| Name (Mkt Cap) | RNS | Summary | Our view (Author) |
|---|---|---|---|
THG (LON:THG) (£434m) | Completion of Debt refinancing | Leverage reduces from 3.2x to 2.2x, pre fees, based on 2024 adj. EBITDA excluding Ingenuity. | RED (Graham) I'm unconvinced that this is a financially sound business. It remains leveraged despite raising nearly £200m of fresh equity since October. |
Jpmorgan Global Emerging Markets Income Trust (LON:JEMI) (£354m) | Half-year Report | H1 (to January) NAV return +5.9% vs. benchmark +4.9%. Share price discount widened. Commentary does not reflect the latest tariffs. | AMBER/GREEN (Graham) Very nice conditional tender offer promised although it is five years away. Discount to NAV possibly still over 10%, last seen c. 12%. |
Science (LON:SAG) (£191m) | Increased shareholding in Ricardo (LON:RCDO) | Science now owns 19.1% of Ricardo. | AMBER/GREEN (Graham) Please see my comments earlier this week. I’m starting to suspect that SAG are aiming for a 29.9% stake. |
Global Opportunities Trust (LON:GOT) (£85m) | Annual Results | NAV return including dividends +4.1%. Share price fell as discount widened. Commentary does not reflect the latest tariffs. | GREEN (Graham) |
Kodal Minerals (LON:KOD) (£81m) | Mining Licence Transfer and Project Update | Licence transfer awaiting final approval and signing by the President of Mali. | AMBER (Graham) [no section below] The President has already been involved in two successful coups and so this licence transfer is unlikely to be very stressful for him. |
Cavendish (LON:CAV) (£33m) | TU | FY March 2025 revenues to be in line with FY24 on a like-for-like basis. Profitable in H1 and H2. | GREEN (Graham) I'm hoping that the high cash balance, covering most of the market cap here, might put a floor on the share price soon. Cavendish is profitable and its cash balance has grown, despite these woeful conditions. |
Quantum Base Holdings plc (QUBE) (£15m) | First Day of Dealings on AIM | Quantum science company focused on authentication. Raised £4.8m in a placing. | AMBER (Graham) It's great to see any IPO happening in this environment. |
Graham's Section
THG (LON:THG)
Unchanged at 30p (£434m) - Completion of Debt Refinancing - Graham - RED
This company tends to produce terrible results dressed up with EBITDA and a wide range of adjustments.

It looks like we are still waiting for 2024's numbers - for 2023, they were published on 10th April.
Interim results for last year showed “continuing adjusted EBITDA” of +£42m, while the actual operating loss was £84m.
Continued real losses have taken their toll on the balance sheet and THG have raise new equity twice in recent times.
In October, they raised £95m.
In March, they raised £22m and issued an equity-like convertible loan for £68m, for a total raise of £90m.
Today’s announcement outlines their recent achievements when it comes to financing:
“Amend and Extend” of a €445m loan to Dec 20209
Partial repayment of loans using their own cash and the equity raise
Extended their £150m RCF to May 2029
Result:
As a result of the proposed refinancing, net total leverage (excl. leases) decreases from 3.2x to 2.2x pre deal fees based on FY 2024 continuing Adjusted EBITDA (excluding Ingenuity) of £92m. THG is a fundamentally cash generative business and the refinancing underlines the Company's target to progress towards a neutral net cash / net debt position.
Graham’s view
I’m afraid that the financials here have always lacked credibility to me. They say that they are cash generative and profitable, and yet they’ve had to raise nearly £200m of fresh equity in the last six months. I think I can rest my case there!
They said that the first placing was to put their e-commerce platform Ingenuity on a sound financial footing, so that it could operate on a standalone basis after being demerged.
The purpose of the second placing was “to establish a long-term capital structure”.
While their finances have been strengthened by the addition of fresh equity, and the THG market cap is now far more modest than it was before, I’m afraid that I’m still yet to see evidence of a financially sustainable business here. So I’m staying RED on this.
The StockReport says it's a Value Trap:

Jpmorgan Global Emerging Markets Income Trust (LON:JEMI)
Unch. at 128.25p (£354m) - Graham - AMBER
This trust seems to be in the crosshairs of Trump's tariffs. Here is the regional breakdown on its website:
It outperformed its benchmark by 1% in H1, helped by buying back its own shares at a discount.
Although the entire benefit of that did not show up in JEMI’s share price, as its discount to NAV widened during the period.
Net asset value per share as of 2nd April was 151.47p.
JEMI’s share price fell 4% yesterday and is now around 128.25p. I’m not sure what the exact discount to NAV is today, given that JEMI’s underlying assets will have fallen hard yesterday. It had been trading at a discount of c. 12%.
Today’s commentary does mention tariff risk a number of times, but it was written before the major announcement this week:
…at the time of writing, the US policy around tariffs is fast changing and therefore the longer term impacts are more difficult to predict
Shareholders will have been expecting this report to be published on time, and rewriting it the day before publication would not have been feasible. So I don’t blame JEMI for publishing it based on their views prior to Liberation Day.
Conditional tender offer
This is an interesting concept. In addition to its ordinary buybacks (£12.7m repurchased in H1), the trust announces a new conditional tender offer that it will make in five years.
It will work like this: if they don’t outperform their benchmark over the next five years (beginning in August), they’ll make a tender offer for up to 25% of their shares, at a price that is 2% below NAV.
I really like this. Either the company outperforms its benchmark over five years (which should result in pleasant shareholder returns), or shareholders will be able to sell a chunk of shares back to the company at a small discount to NAV. From a shareholder perspective, given the current discount to NAV, it lessens the risk. And from the perspective of the trust, they are bravely offering to reduce their AUM by a significant amount, if they can’t beat their benchmark.
Graham’s view
I’m going to give this an AMBER/GREEN because I think it’s still trading at a discount to NAV of over 10%, and I like the mechanism of their conditional tender offer.
As trusts go, I do think it is quite high-risk. Here are the top 5 holdings:
Global Opportunities Trust (LON:GOT)
Up 2% at 296.5p (£87m) - Annual Results - Graham - GREEN
This trust reports a NAV total return for H1 of 4.1%.
It trades at an enormous discount to NAV. Based on the figures for 2nd April, it was trading then at a discount of nearly 24% against the 389.05p NAV (including income).
That might have something to do with its small size, lack of any benchmark and modest returns:
Shareholders should note however that the Company has no stated benchmark against which it seeks to outperform. Its objective is to achieve real long-term total return through investing in undervalued global securities. In this regard the Company’s NAV Total Return over the past three years has averaged 6.8% despite the Company retaining a defensive investment posture, achieved through a combination of high cash levels and the nature of the equity holdings.
Its extraordinarily high cash balance of £37m (34% of assets) should come in handy now.
Current top holdings don’t seem to have any clear theme, besides being defensive in nature:
Dr Sandy Nairn, Executive Director, says that the portfolio will be “restructured into one with significantly higher upside” when cracks appear in equity valuations. Surely that is happening now - the Dow fell 4% yesterday!
Tariffs are mentioned in today’s report only as a component of “geopolitical risk”. So as with JEMI, this report will have been written prior to the events of this week.
Graham’s view
I’ll tentatively give this a GREEN due to its very high discount to NAV, liquid and easily valued portfolio, and dry powder available to make investments in an environment that offers better value. Hopefully they will be tempted to put their money to work now!
Although there are currently no buybacks in place, they say they are thinking about how they might close the discount to NAV:
The Board is very conscious of the level of the discount and will look closely at a range of options for improving the marketability of the Company. To this end Cavendish have been appointed as company broker with effect from 3 February 2025 to assist with efforts to improve demand for the Company’s shares.
Cavendish (LON:CAV)
Down 1% to 8.5p (£33m) - Full Year Trading Update - Graham - GREEN
This is an update for FY March 2025. Key points:
FY25 revenues c. £55m, in line with FY March 2024 on a like-for-like basis (combining finnCap and Cenkos).
Profitable in both halves of the year.
Net cash £21m as of March 2025.
I see that the cash balance is up from £17m as of Sep 2024 - very good.
Cavendish are pleased with it, too:
The Board believes that a strong cash-rich balance sheet provides financial resilience for the Group and allows us to continue to build our business for the benefit of all our stakeholders.
Looking forward, they say “the solid pipeline of transactions in train includes further IPOs”.
New offices have opened in both Manchester and Birmingham.
The outlook section highlights the opportunities for Cavendish in private markets:
The private markets pipeline remains encouraging, underpinned by a growing number of entrepreneurs considering exit opportunities and increasing engagement from private equity firms seeking to realise value from their portfolios of companies. Cavendish maintains active relationships with approximately 150 UK private equity firms. These investors are currently deploying over £50 billion of committed capital from their latest funds. Notably, 20 of these firms have raised a combined £7 billion over the past 18 months to invest in sectors that align closely with Cavendish's core focus. Encouragingly, the UK Budget last September did not have a material impact on business owner sentiment.
Graham’s view
I do regret putting both Cavendish (LON:CAV) and Peel Hunt (LON:PEEL) on my watchlist for the year. One would have been enough. But it’s hard to know which one I like the most.
For raw potential, it’s hard to argue against Cavendish: the enterprise value is only £12m. finnCap alone earned after-tax profits of c. £7m p.a. in the boom years of 2021 and 2022. It previously earned about £2m p.a.
Similarly, CNKS earned £6.5m in the boom year FY 2022, and previously earned c. £2m.
The combination of these two businesses should be more profitable than that in a healthy market, due to the fact that they aren’t competing with each other, and thanks to cost synergies.
So I have to remain GREEN on this even though the timing of any recovery is uncertain.
Stockopedia rates it as “Contrarian”, offering both Quality and Value, but very poor Momentum. That sounds about right! But hopefully its high cash balance will help to put a floor on the share price soon.

Quantum Base Holdings (LON:QUBE)
Up 4% to 24p (£15m) - Graham - AMBER
Yet another Cavendish-related announcement as they are acting as broker for this new stock. Strand Hanson is the Nomad.
We don’t get IPOs very often these days. Let’s take a look.
£4.8m has been raised through the issue of new shares at a price of 23.1p.
What they do:
Quantum Base is focused on creating a new global standard in authentication through its patented Q-ID solution; a near unbreakable and non-replicable authenticity tags that can be applied to a vast array of products, significantly mitigating counterfeiting.
The technology underpinning Q-ID harnesses the randomness that is inherent at a nanometre length scale. The sheer volume and variation of the interactions between molecules that occur at nanoscale means that there is virtually an infinite number of combinations that can be created. The Q-ID is practically impossible to replicate using even the most advanced available technology.
Use of proceeds: to fund commercial development and sales initiatives.
CEO comment:
I am thrilled to commence trading on AIM today, marking a key step in our decade long journey from a Lancaster University spin-out to a British scientific success story. Floating on AIM gives us direct access to a large, sophisticated pool of investors, and provides further independence and credibility for our business.
I’m glad he thinks that we are sophisticated - as long as he stays off some of the message boards, he may continue to think that!
Graham’s view
There’s no way I’m taking a negative stance on this company today. We need more IPOs. So I’m taking a neutral stance and giving QUBE a chance to develop a track record as a publicly-listed company, before I take a stance on it.
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I remember an extended stay in the Philippines around 2009/10 when the great contango formed part of the GFC. As I looked out to sea, the number of tankers rose each week while waiting for oil and gas prices to recover.
I can't help wondering if a similar scenario may arise, whereby ships carrying cargos now subject to the tariffs choose to sit it out offshore for a few weeks on the basis that patiently doing so will be rewarded by the return of profit margins from lowered tariffs offsetting the cost of waiting .
Looking at long term chart for FTSE100, not even much of a pullback noticeable. Pure conjecture, but 7500 could be a real possibility
The only "good" thing to come out in the last two days is I'm now beating my bench mark the FTSE All-share.
Just a little thought: If a product in the shops that everyone wants is slashed in price, everyone rushes out to buy it. Yet, in the Markets it is often the opposite.
Turn your screens off and get outside to enjoy the sunshine over the weekend. Have a good weekend everyone. Most things in life do not seem that bad after time and you often wonder why you worried.
Well certainly there is blood on the streets.
Topped up my ISA as it's the last day today and gone on a shopping spree.
I actually turn 55 this year and it would be a dream to retire at 55, but that is not a reality for me. Maybe in 3 years? So while I don't need to worry about my investments in the near term, I have taken advantage of the fall in prices while I still have a little cash left to invest later if I wish. How low the markets go is really any bodies guess, but when I see a good price I add knowing that in 3 years time the markets will likely be higher ( I hope).
A little fact: 60% of US citizens are invested in the markets. Which is by far more than most countries.
Good thinking. I am 57 and hoping to retire before 60. A few months ago I decided to alter my pension from equities into bonds, and cash. Thinking of changing back now.
While we're all in a Trump induced state of depression. I'm thinking of getting some T-shirts printed..
Tariffs
Raised
Universally
Much
Poorer
Happy Friday.
All eyes on 14:30 and the US opening bell (fixed grin emoji).... could be a little slumpy.
Can I short it?
Hope Volodymyr Zelenskyy has .........
To paraphrase Andy Brough at Schroeders, today is a day to turn off the screens. Before doing so I added a few James Halstead (LON:JHD) and opened a modest position in Treatt (LON:TET) . Both are have good balance sheets and medium term prospects with minimal impact from the current tariff regime but not investor sentiment!
Not sure what the bond markets are doing but it will be bond yields that will bring egocentric Donald to heel I suspect.
US 10 year plummeting which is one things he wanted to happen I just didn't think a full on recession and trillions wiped off US pension funds would be the go to decision.
Aye.
Numbers have gone a bit hazy for me in the last couple of days, but I think I heard yesterday saw ~$1.5 trillion wiped off US stock markets. That's nearly 2 years worth of the fictitious US tariff revenue gone already ($7-800 billion per year? Not that that number has any relationship to reality of course). US market is unlikely to not drop further today, so throw some more years of 'tariff income' down the same drain.
What is needed is a decent off ramp that allows Trump to claim victory (rather than admitting to a colossal mistake), so it can all be unwound (leaving just the huge damage on trust in the US as a trading partner etc to cope with).
We all need to stay strong in these challenging times. I now have had all my profit wiped out however since the Ukraine war started (this was for me personally a lesson was learnt) I hold back a substantial amount of cash. Trump can’t get to that with his meddling. This will bounce back, how and when I don’t have the answer. Don’t let these thieves scare us away. All these countries will argue and fight until they reach the point it’s not in anyone’s interest and deals will be done.
Well it depends on which account I look at, one part is hammered, the other part is doing ok.
So being a glass half full, I got my card out and topped up in a small way some of my pension holdings, only a small amount, and I might go oooh I should have waited for a couple of days as I would have got more.
But nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I am still here, I am still ok, yes on paper I am poorer than yesterday, but I do not need that money to pay the bills this month, or next month, I am actually more than ok in the majorities eyes.
Good luck, keep calm and stick to your check list of rules!
Tommy
ps. From my memories of my absolute panics (yes there were several) in the Covid-19 market, I went to 100% cash on more than one occasion, yes I could have made better decisions, but I did sleep at night!
So officially in complete panic mode now. 18 months of profits wiped out in 2 days. I should learn my lesson and stay out of the markets altogether.
Reminds me a lot of the Covid panic 5 years ago - full-on capitulation but markets settled down after a few weeks and there were some phenomenal gains to be had in the aftermath. The mistake I made back then was to rush in too early, so personally keeping hold of my dry powder and see how things develop over next couple of weeks. Feels like markets could go quite a bit lower before they find a base.
Oil price has well and truly broken the US$65 chart resistance level. https://tradingeconomics.com/c...
10-year gilts and treasury yields coming down significantly, maybe starting a new bull market in bonds https://tradingeconomics.com/b...
Recession on the way!
Cant wait to see cheap prices at the pumps…… not any time soon though
Isn’t this a repeat (but on a worldwide scale this time and not just the UK) of the Truss/Kwarteng crazy “Budget?” Then the all powerful markets forced a quick U-turn and return to common sense.
The even bigger falls today and big falls for US Futures could well continue until Markets force Trump in to a quick U-turn……..which with Trump, probably means he’ll claim it as a success.
I’m keeping an eye on the shares and Investment Trusts taking the biggest hit, like two Vietnam Trusts VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) and VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) and Mining shares and Trusts and oil and Fund Manager shares, as there could be some screaming bargains there (e.g good quality Polar Capital Holdings (LON:POLR) ), taking a further hammering today. But not yet.
I can't see Trump eating any humble pie just yet but no doubt he will claim a win whatever happens as nothing can dent his massive ego. I see China are ramping up their tariffs on US goods to 34%. Trump is a total idiot and narcissist - he doesn't seem to care about whether he is creating chaos as long as he is front and centre of the global headlines. He doesn't give a sh*t about the US population or anything else. He is a man with no moral compass.
Obviously I could be wrong about Markets dictating what happens now, but politicians taking on the all powerful Markets are taking a big risk….as Truss discovered.
There’s not been much comment on this yet, but even Trump’s core fan base won’t like the effect this is going to have on them. A few opinion polls showing a huge decline in his popularity is not what Trump will want to see.
Maybe he and his cronies have shorted all the indexes and then acted accordingly.
Just had an update from a large fund house come through and the main conclusion is it will be the US consumer that pays the bulk of the expected $700-$800 mil raised in taxes, they expect inflation to be on the up over the next year.
Definitely a narcissist.
The big difference is that I can't see Trump backing down - I think he'd rather see a full-blown recession/ stock market crash than admit he got this wrong. Furthermore, he's surrounded by sycophants, who'll be too frightened to tell him he's made a mistake.
It depends how events unfold, but a good point. If the immediate jump in US consumer prices goes down badly, perhaps congress will intervene. Apparently the setting of tarrifs is not in the president's gift anyway.
I think the key point is that things have become a lot more risky until enough time has passed to assess what the new world order looks like.
Apparently the setting of tariffs is not in the president's gift anyway.
This is a good explanation: https://natlawreview.com/artic...
Thanks. Interesting reading and I bet the lawyers have a field day arguing this one in court.
Does anyone on here understand how US tips work in this kind of environment a lot of defensive fund managers held them in size going into this year, but my understanding is you only want to be in them when you think inflation has peaked (same as most longer dated bonds) but expectations currently are for inflation to rise so do tips work differently ?
Decided today to watch Bloomberg for the first time in a while.
Christ it's not filling me with hope.
I listen to Bloomberg radio from 6am most mornings, sometimes only have it on in the background but this morning the tone of all the presenters and analysts is one of disbelief at situation!! Not sure where this ends up TBH.
So what does China buy from USA that we also make that we can swoop in and sell to them instead now they have hiked their own tariffs?
Err, nothing?
Wow markets gettimg smashed
Because of:
China to impose additional 34% tariffs on **all** imported U.S. products starting April 10, the official Xinhua news agency reports. (Javier Blas)
Perhaps we should just boycott US goods - with or without tariffs. This is what Europeans seem to be doing with Tesla.
So, in my family that would play out like this: We would no longer have any computers and I would not be able to write this message. Our TV would still be there, but I would no longer have netflix or Amazon prime or be able to watch YouTube - so the majority of my entertainment is now gone. All our phones would also be gone. So there's a lot of major upheaval to go through to replace those things I use from America, and I'm not going to do that - and I will not boycott US goods. I will look at alternatives though and make my decisions like I always do, based on price, quality and availability.
Plenty of phones available that are not US. I never watch Netflix or Amazon. Rarely shop from Amazon. Very few US goods in my house.
Most of my stuff seems to be Japanese. Some British or European.
Cars who would buy an American car? Some are getting torched already.
The two main phone operating systems are Apple and Android, both American owned. When I go through everything we have in our household and interact with, more than a cursory glance uncovers more American parts than I would have first thought. A boycott would not benefit us.
Every little helps! Perhaps stop buying US goods if there is an alternative. Boycott McDonalds, Tesla and Starbucks for example.
Not for me.
I never buy those anyway but a boycott can be very effective, look what has happened to Tesla (NSQ:TSLA) in Europe. Starbucks is awful overpriced coffee, l would not buy it on principle.
I wonder how long before Musk falls out with Trump?
My kubota ride on mower - Japanese - but made in America . And yes Apple is American but made China/Vietnam / India its all so international its almost impossible to untangle
I had high/er hopes for this year a few months back, resigned now to the fact this year will be a write off for any gains.
Shorters market, that's for sure!
hVIVO (LON:HVO) - I posted yesterday pm that the SP was up 15% and now today its another 7% up - maybe someone knows what's coming in the earnings release to be announced next week
Poor Myanmar, struggling since a military coup and natural disasters, has been hit with tariffs of 44%...
Myanmar exports $907 million to the US and imports $112.54 million from the US
Much of the exports to the US are textiles and garments (similar to other economies such as Bangladesh) - these goods are manufactured in such Countries due to their low labour costs. If these factories move to the US then the cost of clothing will be vastly more expensive to manufacture and unaffordable to the average American. Countries that rely on such supply chains will be decimated, leading to an increase in global poverty and rise of the likelihood of hard-line autocratic governments and conflict.
It seems like Trump doesn't have a plan and is just acting on ideology to the detriment to the whole world.
It is difficult to know how to respond and the market hates uncertainty. Personally I don't think this will go away quickly but everyone will be lining up to give Trump concessions (chlorine chicken anyone?). Much of the progressive forward thinking advancements on environment, social and governance will be shelved, if it hasn't been already and governments will be bullied to move inline with the fascists in power in the US - just look at how the far right parties in Europe are supported by the Trump administration.
The UK is in a very difficult position being stuck between the US and the EU.
The only glimmer of hope is that the US population wakes up as they become poorer and see their pensions and savings decline and the cost of goods increase and the Democrats find a backbone and leadership to stand up to the bullying, crass and ignorant tactics of Trump and his cabinet.
There is a long list of reasons why tariffs dont work, but the biggest question is where will all these skilled staff come from to make the cars and do the manufacturing?
Unemployment is low in the USA, so they can only get staff from other sectors (which reduces output in those industries) or import a lot of immigrants from overseas. The latter has already been going on, so Trumps policy will only partially work if he massively boosts immigration.
This is so contradictory as Trump and his followers hate immigration, so you are right, I cannot see them having the skilled labour to manufacture everything themselves!
There must be lots of pen-pushing bureaucrats coming on spare to learn a semi-skilled trade.
Agreed and there's 500k due to be deported shortly who applied through the legal system, they didn't arrive in the US illegally, as you say where will the new workers come from as by all counts native american's aren't keen on careers in physical building work graft.
Totally agree with your last paragraph but if you watch his press secretary any questioning of the current trend is shouted down as "its all Biden's fault and you are not a patriot you are insulting your country" etc etc.
I think it will end in two ways Don will either achieve his goal of turning the US into the Russian political model or there will be protest in the millions on the street but at the moment there does seem to be minimal pushback so it could be the plan to make the population docile is also working out okay for him.
Is it fanciful to hope the manufacturing cost in those Myanmar / Bangladesh etc is sufficiently low to be able to handle a 40% tariff?
Interesting take on the reasoning behind hitting the poorest countries here - https://www.theguardian.com/us...
I hope the US citizens do suffer. They put the idiot in charge and voted for him and half of potential voters didn't bother to vote so you get what you settle for.
I listened to a Bloomberg interview with US secretary of commerce Howard Lutnik, he thinks non US manufacturers will start to set up in America to avoid these tariffs. Without taking anytime to research any numbers I imagine that any European company that exports to the USA and manufacturers in Vietnam for example would still be better off, in the medium term, from a final selling price POV by continuing to do this rather than suffer the set up costs in the USA and pay American wages. Secondly, how can a German car manufacturer like BMW for example set up in the US, as Trump wants, when it still has to buy and import it's steel from Canada or Europe that is subject to whatever the current tariff is or buy it's tyres from somewhere in Asia that is not playing ball with Trump and so is subject to tariffs. It is just not going to happen.
Surely I must have missed something very obvious here? Very happy to be made to look stupid if I have !!
Maybe "The deal" with BMW would be well you set up your factory here and if you need to import tyres etc they will have their tariffs lowered until the USA tyre factory is set up. Even them I doubt the numbers would add up.
Who knows. He said yesterday China could use the TikTok sale as leverage to lower their tariffs.
So he might just love the art of a deal that much he wants to make millions of them with every company.
Plus also if he gets TikTok he will have an even greater control over the disinformation space alongside Elon ramping up the brainwashing coming out of X.
Even if they do set up factories in the US, it will take years and cost millions of $, also they will be hit by higher costs, wages etc. That is why they went overseas. Even with tariffs it will still be mainly cheaper to manufacture abroad. Also they will have to import products and materials from abroad. If other countries impose tariffs on US goods then they will get hit again. If countries start taxing the large US companies then Trump may wish he had never started this.
I suspect the huge uncertainty created by Trump and his henchmen will result in most business owners simply sitting on their hands. Consumers are likely to entrench IMHO - probably the main reason there will be a recession perhaps?
For the boss of a large motor manufacturer it must be tempting to make the right noises about shifting manufacturing, putting a plan together and HOPING for a new president in circa 3.5 years time !
Well you’re guaranteed that as presidents are only allowed to serve 2 terms unless he rewrites the constitution.
Coincidentally I just heard an analyst on Bloomberg ( didnt catch his name) saying that for a company such as BMW to set up in the USA it would likely be a billion dollar investment as their supply chains are so complex. Who on earth is going to make that decision when the goalposts could well be moved a few months into your reorganisation ?
BMW already have a factory in Spartanburg, South Carolina, though they export a lot of them back to the EU, what a tangled web they weave. They are knackered either way!!
When I bought an X5 I had to wait for it to arrive from the USA! So maybe not such a big deal. Don’t own one now though.
Cavendish (LON:CAV)
Not the 'beating expectations' update I was hoping for. Possibly the IPOs they have worked on so far have been too small to really get things going. Maybe the MHA one (assuming it goes ahead, given the current state of the stock market) will make an impact.
I felt the outlook section was more upbeat that usual, but they might just be hoping (like the rest of us) that all these various unpredictable macro factors end up being good for UK small and mid caps. The chaos theory of the stock market.
Anyway, story's still in tact. The chart looks like it has potential now to bottom out, although it has looked like that before. I will continue to hold.
Cheers, happy Friday.
Chris
Tough isn’t it, I’m down 18% ytd and nothing seems to be going up any time soon. Like walking through treacle
Copy that. Down 16% in a little over a month since Trump economics became real.
Ditto, down 13% since the start of the year. Is it too late just to put in a high interest account?
iShares UltraShort £ Bond ETF (ERNS) was suggested by Chris Brown in another thread and this along with gold is where I am invested currently albeit within a portfolio that is down 16%.
I think it’s time to delete my t212 app and re-download it in 12 months or longer
I think that would be quite a good invention to be able to hide your trading account for a 12 month period. I constantly look and wish I didn't, it just causes me stress.
Trump loves various world leaders phoning up and begging for a concession. So I think he will lift the tariffs piecemeal.
But he actually believes they work, so he will then put them back on a few weeks later. Canada had tariffs, Trudeau begged for a delay of one month which he got. Then Trump put tariffs back on, then he was begged again and they were lifted. And now they are back on again.
The only way to lift them permanently would be for the world to have a united response and put 25% tariffs on all US exports. This would devastate jobs in Red states.
Absolutely right. Graham in his preamble seems to think Trump’s tariffs are a negotiation tactic and countries hit by them should get down on bended knee and grovel for concessions. This is the approach of an arrogant bully not a serious business like negotiator. Canada has the right idea, fight back and don’t give in to the bully. As you say the world should refuse to be bullied. Too see how ridiculous the tariffs are worth watching the short video in John Authers newsletter today. The Bangladesh example sums up the economic illiteracy of Trump and his fawning, so called advisors.
It would be better if his phone remained silent. The ROW should ignore Trump and lower tariffs between themselves.
But that will just make the damage to the US economy worse! The only possible positive argument for tariffs, for the US, would be if they encouraged businesses to invest in US production. Who is going to do that when he keeps playing with them, like a toddler with toys, and there is no stable basis for any business decision?
smiths news
the price drop here is quite amusing. it is not a manufacturer nor an exporter. has very little currency exposure. pays good dividend and I was expecting it not to be affected.
It’s all about relative values, yadi. As everything else falls through the floor, SNWS looks relatively expensive. A hole below the waterline sinks all boats.
But he only gets the revenue if the US consumer continues to buy the (now much more expensive) imports, which rather undermines his other delusion that tariffs will deter people from buying imports and thus boost US manufacturing...
Apple. Nike and others moved manufacturing ovrrseas because it was good for profits, consumers snd shareholders. They won’t return quickly. It’s not clear to me why US voters think tariffs are a good idea.
They will return the US domestic market is huge
US population is only 340m, much less than the EU, China, India etc.
Many products for not for the US market anyway. Costs will be be very high, will consumers want to pay double the current prices?
I'm sure Americans would be delighted to work for Vietnamese wages.
Most folks in the west wouldn't even be capable of working in the conditions prevalent in many factories /assembly plants in the far east, let alone worrying about the pay on offer.
Maybe us in the West should have a harder look at that fact.
Couple of thoughts.
1. The biggest global companies have outgrown their home markets (even in the US). If we remember the days of "national champions" that was back in the 1980's! These days the likes of Nike, Apple, Boeing etc are global with interests with diversified
manufacturing etc. There is no way I am a Trump supported and definitely not liking anything that is going on, but this is probably a bigger "hiccup" for the global diversified companies. Also the political elites/top economists do give too much attention to the big global players and not as much as they should to true national champions like...erm BT (ok maybe not BT but you know what I mean) .
2. If manufacturing returns to the US it will most likely be in hi tech fitted out factories, plenty of robots, very few workers, that will not resemble the "good ole days".
The average Trump voter is, like Trump himself, entirely ignorant of macroeconomics. He will probably change his vote when he sees the inflationary effect of the tariffs.
Pre Trump's election I heard a supporter say he was looking forward to paying less taxes, because when "they" pay the import tariff, income taxes etc can be reduced.
Amazing how few comments today, perhaps like me we are looking at the Trump car crash. My ratio of companies where I'm up to down must near be the worst ever. I feeling battered after the past two years.
I'm struggling with knowing how to respond to be honest; partly because some of my stocks were already going lower so feel like a lot of bad news is priced in but if I'm being honest with myself then some could go lower yet given the wider economic risks.
Of stocks in my portfolio that are more affected:
Polar Capital Holdings (LON:POLR) - its FUM are bound to take a whack given large US tech exposure but the divi is massive and it was already on a reasonable rating. So I'm currently sitting tight. Is Trump really just going to let the economy crash and burn in the short-term??
Volex (LON:VLX) its going to get massively tariffed on products shipped from Indonesia etc and relies on North America for over 40% of revenues. But are the competitors any better placed - they've said previously most of them are heavily China dependent. And will they just find ways to get around the tariffs - ship from elsewhere maybe? Turkey (where some of their manufacturing is based) "only" got 10% but not exactly the most stable country right now...
City of London Investment (LON:CLIG) - also probably not well placed given a lot of US customers and also has an emerging market element (not as big a focus as it once was though).
The Mag7 stocks were overpriced on historical norms and hit hard. I wonder why their leaders supported Trump. Maybe when the dust settles they will be a better investment.
This is a time to stick to your system IMO. You did your research, bought good quality companies with strong balance sheets and a secure divi, so when stocks go on sale we should be buying more. If you don’t have conviction and aren't buying more why are you in the stock? That’s what we should be doing anyway! Counter intuitive I know, due to the human hard wired ‘fight or flight’ brain, but that’s my plan. Had a nibble today at more TP Icap (LON:TCAP) (the volatility should boost their turnover) and Law Debenture (LON:LWDB) & will by more if / when they go lower. In 10 years time they should be more valuable than today & we will get paid to wait.
Maybe we have the long awaited rotation from growth to value? There are a lot of bargains out there and they are getting cheaper right now. Interesting how well Berkshire Hathaway (NYQ:BRK.B) is holding up. Gotta be impressed with Warren’s timing ( I hold, but wish I’d bought more)
Agree. Am buyingBarclays (LON:BARC) International Personal Finance (LON:IPF) and Serabi Gold (LON:SRB). Balls of blancmange.
Most of my stocks are down but I diversified into gold over a year ago so my portfolios are holding up. I’m 20% in £SGLN
Gulf Keystone Petroleum (LON:GKP) taking a hammering. Is that just sentiment or have I missed something in the recent RNS? Thanks.
Gulf Keystone Petroleum (LON:GKP)
A) Went XD yesterday.
B) Oil price ;-))
Ok thanks so nothing more than that, thank-you. Oh and a global crash. Nothing special.
GKP
it has dropped like all other oil producers. Oil has dropped more than 4-5% fearing the world recession.
More than that, more like 9%, plus the $ is down as well.
Price of oil is down, most oil stocks have been hit.
I don't think the USA tariffs are a temporary thing. Sure Trump will use it in negotiations, but (a) he has believed in tariffs for a very long time and (b) he's hoping the revenue will enable him to reduce the deficit without putting up taxes.
All part of MAGA.
Trump would argue he is balancing a trade deficit and discriminatory tariffs applied on American exports and the US has the advantage of a huge home market. It time for the West to wise up and embrace true free trade with the US, no reason why it can't be a win win
It's not our fault that Americans love goods made in other countries. Why should we buy American goods if we don't want to buy them?
The real issue imo is that most US goods are of poor quality and do not meet the standards set in Europe. Everything is manufactured to maximise profits. Quality, design and safety are a very poor second.
This brings back memories of a trade visit to Switzerland many years ago. I was discussing the possible international roll out of a Swiss product .
The Swiss guy looked at me a bit uninterested and said that the opportunities for a quality Swiss product abroad were somewhat limited. I asked why, he said..
The Swiss buy on quality, the British buy on value and the Americans buy on price.
Quite a neat put down really.
Their electric vehicles are much poorer than the Chinese equivalent. European and Japanese cars much better too.
I cannot think of any physical goods that are superior in quality.
It’s not they they necessarily love goods from other countries, they love the products being made much cheaper on lower labour wages
I should more accurately reword "love goods" to "love to buy goods".
Global Opportunities Trust (LON:GOT) - Dr Sandy Nairn is usually worth listening to, but today's update is very poor in my view. Looks like he wrote it several weeks ago, as there is no mention of recent dramatic events which makes them look well off the pace. About a year ago they were way too late in putting their liquidity in high interest bearing accounts which is a basic house keeping task. Makes you wonder whether this trust is a little too slow moving!
The weighted average tariff is 29% versus 20% in the 1930's Smoot-Hawley Act. Oil price and 10-yr rates plunging, like the stock market...implies that the global recession risk is now high.