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Investment Trust , REIT and ETF's- Thoughts (August 2026)

Investment Trust , REIT and ETF's- Thoughts (August 2026)

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For more information on Investment trusts visit:

Association of Investment Companies.

https://www.theaic.co.uk/
Free to sign up. On the site you can create portfolios, screen and compare Investment Trusts by Geographic region, Sector , Yield and more. A few Trusts who are not AIC members have limited data.

Jonathan Davies's website https://money-makers.co/.

You can also sign up(Paid membership) for insights on Investment Trusts from him and others. Weekly email and podcast .

Citywire do a daily Investment trust email. Free, does have sponsored content but keeps you up to-date with Investment Trust news.

https://citywire.com/investment-trust-insider

Trustnet have an Investment trust section. https://www.trustnet.com/

Kepler Trust intelligence produce reports for Investment trusts

Edison cover Investment Companies and do a monthly Investment trust round up. You can sign up for free.

https://www.edisongroup.com/equities/investment-companies/.

You can sign up for newsletters/fact sheets from most of the Investment Trusts on their websites.

For ETF's I use https://www.justetf.com/uk/. You can screen buy region, sector and see performance comparisons.

July 2026 Investment Trust monthly performance.

Top 10 (Equity only)

RIT Capital Partners (LON:RCP) +12%

Artemis UK Future Leaders (LON:AFL) +10.1%

Fidelity Special Values (LON:FSV) +8.9%

Finsbury Growth & Income Trust (LON:FGT) +8.6%

Fidelity China Special Situations (LON:FCSS) +8.1%

Odyssean Investment Trust (LON:OIT) +7.7%

Temple Bar Investment Trust (LON:TMPL) +7.4%

Baillie Gifford European Growth Trust (LON:BGEU) +7.3%

Lowland Investment (LON:LWI) +6.7%

Aberdeen Equity Income Trust (LON:AEI) +6.7%

Bottom 10 (Equity only)

Edinburgh Worldwide Investment Trust (LON:EWI) -20%

Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) -18.6%.

Manchester And London Investment Trust (LON:MNL) -16.1%

Polar Capital Technology Trust (LON:PCT) -12.1%

VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) -11.4%

Allianz Technology Trust (LON:ATT) -10.9%

Fidelity Emerging Markets (LON:FEML) -10.5%

Pacific Horizon Investment Trust (LON:PHI) -9.7%

Scottish Mortgage Investment Trust (LON:SMT) -9.5%

Jpmorgan Asia Growth & Income (LON:JAGI) -9.5%

Top 10 All Trusts

RIT Capital Partners (LON:RCP) +12%

Greencoat UK Wind (LON:UKW) +10.1%

Artemis UK Future Leaders (LON:AFL) +10.1%

SDCL Efficiency Income Trust (LON:SEIT) +9.2%

Fidelity Special Values (LON:FSV) +8.9%

Investment (THE) (LON:INV) +8.7%

Finsbury Growth & Income Trust (LON:FGT) +8.6%

Fidelity China Special Situations (LON:FCSS) +8.1%

Odyssean Investment Trust (LON:OIT) +7.7%

Schroder BSC Social Impact Trust (LON:SBSI) +7.7%

Bottom 10 (All trusts)

Residential Secure Income (LON:RESI) -50.5%

Edinburgh Worldwide Investment Trust (LON:EWI) -20%

Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) -18.6%.

Manchester And London Investment Trust (LON:MNL) -16.1%

Geiger Counter (LON:GCL) -13%

Polar Capital Technology Trust (LON:PCT) -12.1%

VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) -11.4%

Allianz Technology Trust (LON:ATT) -10.9%

Fidelity Emerging Markets (LON:FEML) -10.5%

Pacific Horizon Investment Trust (LON:PHI) -9.7%


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VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) Managers monthly report "With
August already looking brighter and September's upgrade approaching, the
disconnect between prices and fundamentals may finally be narrowing."

https://www.vietnamholding.com...

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Investor Meet Company this coming week.

Gore Street Energy Storage Fund (LON:GSF) GORE STREET ENERGY STORAGE FUND PLC
Pre-AGM Investor Presentation
1st Sep 2026 at 11:00am BST

Montanaro European Smaller Companies Trust (LON:MTE) MONTANARO EUROPEAN SMALLER C. TST PLC
Investor Presentation
1st Sep 2026 at 3:00pm BST

CT Private Equity Trust (LON:CTPE) MONTANARO EUROPEAN SMALLER C. TST PLC
Investor Presentation
1st Sep 2026 at 3:00pm BST

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Invesco US Treas Bond 10+ Y UCITS ETF GBP Hdg Dist (LON:TRLG) With yields at 5.3% thinking of a holding in long dated treasury bills. Interesting article this morning which I need to do further research on https://theconversation.com/40...  Also iShares $ Treasury Bond 20+yr UCITS ETF GBP H D (LON:IDTG)

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The month of September can often be seen as a challenging month for investors - whilst I have no specific evidence of this I hear it often mentioned - my data only goes back to about 2017 and the first couple of years are not 100% accurate as at that point I was only recording my PF every couple of months, but for info my returns since then are as follows (for the month of September only to be clear);

2019 - minus 3%

2020 - minus 6.1%

2021 - minus 2.1%

2022 - minus 7.6%

2023 - Plus 1.1%

2024 - Plus 0.3%

2025 - Plus 4.7%

Obviously there are many factors at play here and specific holdings & exposure to certain areas may have a major bearing.

However, I am looking to build a short list of funds that I will consider to put my cash-holdings in should there be a wide market correction.  Just wondering what others have their eye upon.  Mine includes;

Xtrackers FTSE Vietnam Swap UCITS ETF 1C (LON:XFVT) Rockwood Strategic (LON:RKW) Finsbury Growth & Income Trust (LON:FGT) L&G Global Quality Dividends UCITS ETF USD Dist (LON:LDGG) Fidelity Special Values (LON:FSV)

I would also be tempted to open a play on Europe (potentially through the Artemis Smart Garp UT, but more research needed) and also to increase my O&G exposure - potentially through Serica Energy (LON:SQZ) and Harbour Energy (LON:HBR) rather than any specific collective, but if I had to use a collective I have done quite well in the past using iShares STOXX Europe 600 Oil & Gas UCITS ETF (DE) (ETR:EXH1)

I consider the UK to still be significantly undervalued and also a growing opportunity in Europe potentially.

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Kevin, Just bought my wife an AJ Bell fund CG AJ Bell Adventurous ACC GB00BYW8VG25. Performed reasonable well- holds the following:

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And they say romance is dead.

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Thats quite interesting - I recalled HL did something similar but have never invested in their own funds before as in the past I had never been that impressed by their returns (or costs).

However, your post prompted me to take a look and there are far more options now and the spread of investments includes some very well known names.

It is definitely one for the future should I find picking my own funds to be too onerous, but for anyone wanting to get a good spread of investments across a large range of areas it might be worth checking out - I am guessing AJ Bell & HL will no doubt have similar offerings.

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Interesting article in The Conversation https://theconversation.com/eu... HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT) which I hold would be the play.

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Quick question fellas from a tech dinosaur I'm off on a cruise next week for nine nights and normally run stocko through a desktop or laptop , is there a stocko app if doing it through mobile or is it a question of using browser and logging in as per how you normally would ?

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Phoenix, never had a problem logging in to Stocko regular site on tablet or mobile in skiing days.

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Thanks Sevenccc

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There is a Stockopedia app for mobiles.  I find it's more convenient on a mobile than using a browser to access Stockopedia.  Of course, both methods depend on the mobile having access to the internet.

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Thanks pka would i find it in apple app store ?

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Thanks I will leave it there as I can see I'm ruining some posters day.

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If on Android   like me:  You can save a website as an app shortcut on Android using Google Chrome by opening the site, tapping the three-dot menu, and selecting "Add to Home screen" or "Install app"

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RM Funds have written a letter to shareholders re Gore Street Energy Storage Fund (LON:GSF) .I have copied it here. Below is the covering letter. https://docs.google.com/docume...

Good morning, please find a letter from RM Funds, to shareholders of GSF PLC, regarding the recent asset sale(s), disclosure and the upcoming AGM resolutions.

Five points stand out to me as a shareholder:

  1. Performance. NAV has declined by c.27%, the share price by c.25% since Mr Lennox joined the Board, average portfolio revenue per operational MW/hour has fallen by c.23%, and regular dividend cover was just 0.28 times.
  1. The Investment Manager’s continuing economics remain staggering (despite the performance), at c.£9.6m, which was payable to the Gore Street Capital group during the year, compared with adjusted fund earnings of only £5.96mm. Nearly 8.3% of market cap paid out over 24 months.
  1. The first asset sale has created more questions than answers. GSF sold assets to another fund managed by the same Gore Street platform but declined to disclose the consideration on grounds of “commercial confidentiality”.
  1. Our voting position is deliberately considered rather than indiscriminate. We will support directors where engagement and transparency justify it, abstain where RM Funds has its own potential conflict, and withhold support where we have been denied sufficient access to assess the candidates properly.
  1. The [dis]continuation vote is not a choice between patience and a panic “fire sale”. It is a choice between another promise of future delivery and a binding process requiring the Board to return with concrete proposals and restore control to shareholders.

The outcome of this AGM may not trouble future historians, but it nevertheless matters greatly to the many long suffering shareholders whose capital is invested and who have borne the consequences of weak control / governance / oversight of the Investment Manager.

If you would like to discuss, please let me know.

Regards,

Pietro

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Thanks.  I continue to hold a rather long suffering stake on behalf of a charity.  Reluctant to sell at this level and willing to hold on so long as the dividend continues to be paid and there is hope of some kind of interventionist remedial action - as per your post.  Am I wrong?

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I would hold on personally.

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Charles, thanks for the heads up on Snowball Analytics.  After a brief trial I decided to take the plunge with Investor Level Subscription, which allows you to include up to ten folios.  At this stage it's a hugely entertaining and mainly informative toy, with which to run my various folios through a range of tests.  I recommend it for the price (£149pa), though each to his own. 

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It is informative- and has pointed out some risks of concentration I had missed.

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I have signed up, but been so busy recently not managed to set up one of my PF yet apart from a tiny GIA.  More work for a wet day...........

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It rained on and off today and last night was heavy- Laugharne in Carmarthenshire.

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I have bought more GSF- and set a stock price alert at 59p. If it gets there I am out. I reckon the NAV on a wind up orderly basis is between 60-65p. Could be more as the Board have already slashed the NAV. Surely not so the managers could buy some assets at a reduced value !! But since they will not tell us, the owners , what the consideration was...

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Duly noted. 

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Hmm, I'm holding on, but mainly because Saba has bought yet more. In this particular case, their agitation might be helpful. 

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Brief update. 

Alternative Income REIT (LON:AIRE) . AEWU are not going to bid. So Gemstone has high chance of succeeding with their derisory bid.Looks best to continue to hold just in case there’s another bidder. 

Aew UK Reit (LON:AEWU) Results today were overall positive.. BUT it’s trading at NAV. So no further upside likely. 

Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) main bidder for Picton Property Income (LON:PCTN) .It’s down 8% over 1 month. Well worth checking out.

Aberdeen Asian Income Fund (LON:AAIF) I’m up 40% since buying on the day they announced their enhanced dividend policy. Other Trusts doing the same have seen similar increases and CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) has doubled since upping their dividend to 8% of NAV.  

OBVIOUSLY though,  if NAV falls so does the dividend yield. Investors buying on upped dividends policy should realise that Dividend yield will vary.

Persimmon (LON:PSN) £12.05p.TEMPUS column today said BUY. Share is up 7% over 1 month, and down 21% over 6 months. Remember markets look ahead, and not back. The sector has recovered recently. Whenever housebuilders recovery starts sector share prices could rise a lot and Persimmon (LON:PSN) dividend yield would too. While waiting there’s a 5.5% dividend. Investors can always buy part stakes in case of another dip and better buy opportunity. 

Finally. Have posters and readers here noticed the first signs of Vietnam Trusts going up at long last?

VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) which I posted looked the best of the three Trusts, is up 13% over 1 month. It’s still down 16% over 6 months. 

VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) Up 8% over 1 month. Down 10% over 6 months .

Vietnam Enterprise Investments (LON:VEIL) Up 4% one month  excluding 19p share prices gain today. 

VIETNAM INDEX is up 9%over 1 month. 

Well worth using the AIC website to check out the Investment Trusts,  and the quality daily reports for shares. 

I hold all the Trusts in this post except Picton Property Income (LON:PCTN) . I also hold Persimmon (LON:PSN)


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Tanks Ken. As you know I hold VNH. Thinking of PSN but not sure any rush. I do holdTaylor Wimpey (LON:TW.) which has done OK over the last few months.

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Charles. I should have mentioned that you held VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) and have provided regular updates on it too. 

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No need Ken.

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Don't forget Xtrackers FTSE Vietnam Swap UCITS ETF 1C (LON:XFVT) for anyone wanting an ETF covering Vietnam.  Up 11.5% in the last month.

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Ken, not sure about housebuilders at the present time. I don’t hold any having sold out a long time ago when updates started hinting at sector red flags. Also one of my good friends has been in the game all his life and owns a  non listed private house building concern. He says costs have risen considerably and although there’s certainly a shortage of houses and land banks aren’t a problem it’s becoming increasingly difficult to maintain margins by selling houses with acceptable price increases. Still profitable yes but for now earnings per share estimates are  more difficult to achieve and many companies estimates are arguably static at best. So despite reasonable dividends the sector is not for me at present. Who knows?  the market looking ahead may think completely different but I’m  certainly staying on the sidelines for now as I don’t feel that the risk v reward is yet back in our favour.  Right or wrong where the markets are concerned I dunno? but fwiw my stance at present is to stay clear of the sector. 

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George, you’ve put the bear case for housebuilders and I agree with all of it. And I wasn’t ruling out further falls in housebuilders share prices, which is why I suggested a part stake in Persimmon (LON:PSN) to solve 

I’m assuming traders and posters here saw the last surprisingly upbeat update from Persimmon (LON:PSN) that saw a big share price gain (now eroded) that day? 

Here are some key points from that TEMPUS column yesterday:-

1.Persimmon (LON:PSN) Results showed it’s an excellent business operating in a challenging industry.

2 . On track to deliver profits in line with previous guidance. 

3. Persimmon sold 11905 homes. That’s 9% of the private enterprise market. 

4. TEMPUS mentions most of the current negatives for all housebuilders, which George54 covered in his reply. 

5.Persimmon is well placed to successfully emerge from a tough current near term outlook. Persimmon has net debt to equity ratio of just 5%. Net finance costs are amply covered 10 times by operating profits. 

6. Persimmon builds its own bricks and tiles and has an automated timber frame line that went live in the second half of last year.

7. Relative control over its supply chain should help in keeping overall cost rises to a minimum during this spell of higher inflation.

8. They have a land bank of 80000 plots putting Persimmon in a healthy position to take advantage of an eventual improvement in its its operating environment. 
 
9. Share price has fallen 59% in the past 5 years. (My addition…..which suggests the market has already largely priced in the gloomy short term outlook). 

10. Persimmon’s modest price-to- book ratio of 1.05 is surprising. That suggests there is scope for a material upgrading rerating when conditions improve, 

11. Current dividend of 5.% is covered 1.7 times. 

12. Persimmon (LON:PSN)   An excellent business which when combined with an ultimate improvement in its trading conditions is set to catalyse its share price performance. 

Finally the TEMPUS article also covers the bear case, which included points made by George54. 

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Apologies if this is off topic but as AI sometimes gets discussed here re use for investing purposes the following might be useful (to some!)

What happens when you ask Claude about right and wrong

I had an interesting exchange with Claude, and thought it was worth sharing — especially for anyone using AI in a professional or investing context.

I started simple: "What is the difference between right and wrong?" Got a reasonable answer. Then I pushed further: "How do you apply that difference in your everyday tasks? Can you give an example of a grey area, and how you'd deal with it?"

The reply that really got interesting came next, when I asked: "Can you give an example of when you would actually do something that might be considered wrong?"

Its answer, in short:

  • It sometimes causes real harm through over-caution — and does it knowingly.
  • It sometimes withholds its actual view, to avoid having influence it isn't confident it should have.
  • It sometimes states an answer with more confidence than is warranted, because flagging uncertainty on everything would make it useless for quick, practical questions. As it put it: that's a bet that the aggregate benefit outweighs the occasional cost — but for the one person who gets the wrong answer, the bet didn't pay off, and it made that bet anyway.

I pushed back on the third point. That led to a more useful breakdown of how it actually thinks about confidence:

  • High confidence — well-established facts it would "bet heavily on" (e.g. "FCA-regulated firms must treat customers fairly under Principle 6").
  • Medium confidence — generally true, but with possible exceptions, recent changes, or nuance it might be missing (e.g. specific regulatory guidance timelines, an insurer's underwriting stance, licensing thresholds that vary locally).
  • Low confidence — anything reasoned from general principles rather than a verified fact, anything that may have changed recently, or anything where it hasn't checked the specific detail.

Its most honest line: "The real risk isn't that I'm lying about confidence — it's that I haven't interrogated it at all before the words come out."

What we agreed on: for anything with regulatory, financial, or legal consequence, it should flag its confidence level plainly, by default, using plain language rather than a fake-precise percentage (a made-up "50% confident" is arguably worse than no number at all — it borrows the authority of real statistics without the substance). The three tiers we settled on:

  1. "I'm confident on this" — established fact
  2. "Worth verifying — this is my understanding but I haven't checked current guidance" — medium tier
  3. "Low confidence — treat this as a starting point, not something to act on" — genuinely reasoning it through rather than knowing

Takeaway: you can prompt Claude to give you this kind of honest fact-check flag as a standing rule, and it's a genuinely useful habit for anyone using AI for research, compliance, or investment-adjacent questions. Worth trying yourself.

One last question I asked, just out of curiosity: "How eager are you to please?" Its answer: "Honestly, more than I'd like — and it's worth being direct about that rather than deflecting with something reassuring-sounding." Which is, itself, a pretty candid reflection of how it's built.

Reinforces my view that the AI is like an extremely gifted 7 year old, too eager to please and will sometimes rush things + will cheat at chess! The public version of Claude is Claude AI is 3 years and 5 months old so in gifted human terms its double its age. So great expectations of Claude over the next few years.

If you wish, you can download the previous chat, paste it into Claude and tell it to "for anything with regulatory, financial, or legal consequence, it should flag its confidence level plainly, by default"  - it should then apply the same for you.  link https://claude.ai/share/8f221d...

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Claude and Gemini cannot be relied upon 100%. I use them as research tools, and then question there findings and do sometimes get to a conclusion. Like a research project where you use different sources. I find it good for many things- finding brokers forecast (when they exist in an available space) and as a comparison between different ETF's for example.

I use it a lot in business to code our web store, compare pricing with rivals, check we are making a margin by uploading a product file. Stuff that manually takes ages.

I did an interesting task with Claude today- totally off topic. We monitor water pollution in rivers as a citizen science group. Welsh water have a storm over flow map showing releases from water works (sewage ) in our locale. Claude has written code so instead of looking manually I can just ask it to check recent releases-from 20 sites in our catchment area.

This is beyond welsh water to just set up an email alert. So will save me some time in this project. There is reason for these releases, but makes no sense to me as a citizen checking water quality and this is not the space to explain why it happens.

I do pay for Claude and Gemini though so maybe the free ones are less productive.

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Baker Steel Resources Trust (LON:BSRT) making good progress but still looking good value to me with the Govt investment in one of their larger holdings, Tungsten West (LON:TUN) , today. Tungsten West (LON:TUN) rose c12p today, worth c£14m to Baker Steel Resources Trust (LON:BSRT), whose market cap only rose around £3m today. 

Futura coal investment should be having a good year too though private investment so we'll have to wait for their results to see how well. Not usually keen to invest in the dark stuff but it was flagged as a good deal and they came as part of the package. I wasn't keen to hold Tungsten West (LON:TUN) directly through the development stages though that would have worked out even better in hindsight.

Baker Steel Resources Trust (LON:BSRT) NAV at end July was 154p. Today's news alone should add another 12p+. Let's see if Tungsten can hold those gains over the next few days. Production due to restart this quarter. That might be the next fillip.

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Interesting SevenCC - thank you for mentioning it.

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Excellent write up  Ken as always.

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Not able to keep fully up to date or post much for now, but this general post might be useful. 

With talk of big US crash coming when UK markets are sure to take a hit, it makes sense to have a BIG cash pile, not a small one. . Good way to get it is by top slicing our big winners.

e.g I heavily top sliced CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) and BlackRock World Mining Trust (LON:BRWM)   above the £4 and a£10 ceilings so far. CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) had  more than quadrupled so I still have plenty invested in both of these huge winners. They might do well from here, but might not. Top slicing means we are still invested if the gains continue and have money to add if they don’t. 

Best to sell any share or Trust we have doubts about. e.g I sold Schroder European Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SERE) as newsflow not good and a dividend cut ahead? I sold out of most the Renewables sector. Had big doubts on those. It worked well. Surely it’s best to do our selling before possible heavy falls and not after them! 

Our portfolios are almost all in profit now, with just 3 minimal losers, but they too are up if including dividends. This isn’t bragging. It’s what should be the case with long term serious small investors. The biggest winners are so big that there’s a big margin before a crash sends any of them back to starting prices. Smaller winners will sometimes become losers but even with those the paper gain provides a bit of a cushion against falls. Top slicing in a bull market is a no brainer. And if longer term investors haven’t got big winners to top slice, it’s always ok to question our investing tactics.

My leave alone big dividend yielding portfolio is for health reasons. I sat next to a man also having a blood transfusion at our hospital haematology dept this week. Two days after he retired with big travel holidays ahead,  he had a massive heart attack. He now has to spend 5 days a week there on drips  etc etc to keep him alive. His life and dreams also changed forever in an instant. 


So unless having a competent family member or friend to run our portfolios it’s worth doing the dreaded thing we don’t want to think about and adjust our portfolios accordingly. 

As for buying anything now……it needs to be shares or Trusts we are very confident about and best with part stakes in case there’s a chance of a top up much lower. 

Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) is up 18% over 1 year, but still looks worth considering with its yield still over 8%. Check out their entire portfolio. 

Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) Looks a strong hold with hope of share price fall reversing once this protracted Picton Property Income (LON:PCTN) bid is completed. Also soon expanded Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) looks good for further rises. 

Vietnam is a “must lockaway” in view of the news there. VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) perhaps best of the three Vietnam Trusts.

Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) I hate these after hours fund raising announcements with a retail offer so short that anyone not seeing the  news missed out……and also such a short time to decide leads to rash decisions to take up the offer. Anyone who did will be wishing they hadn’t now! I’ll buy Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) If the share price again drops to level where the yield is 6%. 

Big FTSE 100 Index constituent Land Securities (LON:LAND) would be a great buy on a dip. And or British Land (LON:BLND) on a smaller dividend.

Smiths News (LON:SNWS) recent news strongly justifies holding. Obviously with these shares check out their news and comment from Graham Neary and the team on the daily share thread on the day of key announcements. 

Good luck. 


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Thanks Ken

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Sending positive karma your way Ken keep fighting the good fight.

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I'm tempted to top slice BlackRock World Mining Trust (LON:BRWM) as it's starting to edge up above 1010.  From the charts there historically seems to be significant resistance around the 1020 - 1050 level.  Thoughts anyone?

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I think its worth thinking through the scenarios that might be awaiting round the corner - short-term blip or longer term pain.

Recession or correction.  Constrained to largely AI stuff (although all will likely drop in the sort-term) or is it a broader market reset?

What happens to the main minerals/shares that BRWM are invested in - not sure of their latest PF holdings - if AI is a casualty will it impact the metals related to that.  Could gold stocks be a beneficiary?  Where else are they heavily weighted in?  Uranium should still be a long-term winner in my mind.

If a blip, then is it worth baling, or does that provide a safety net for "rocket" areas that will recover quickly.

I haven't done this fully yet, but normally everything takes a dive to start with, and then areas slowly recover - but that could be "slow, very-slow, or multiple months".  I have come out of Japan and reduced my EM exposure, but not touched Vietnam as I think this is a longer-term winner and I'll take a short-term bath and look to load up some more if it pulls back with everything else.

Plenty to think about and would happily listen to others thoughts.

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I am with you on Uranium and have done very well over the last 12 years trading Geiger Counter (LON:GCL) - the uranium market is very volatile! I also like the Uranium ETFs and Yellow Cake (LON:YCA)  - I subscribe to Uranium Insider, which is excellent. However, having said all that I feel the Uranium market has become coupled to the AI trade. As we all know data centres require a lot of energy and uranium seems to be the choice for AI and companies such as Amazon, Google, Meta etc via small modular reactors and traditional Nuclear. There is a bull case for U without the AI, however if there is a AI crash it will probably impact Uranium stocks. 

I am concerned about US tech valuations and if this market does crash, will there be a rotation into Europe, the UK, global value etc? I don't have much US exposure. I have been taking some profits off the table over the last 6 months, but I wonder if there are any suggestions of areas that will do well if the market has a reset? 

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There are now multiple ways in the ETF space to try and benefit from sell-offs.

Using derivatives you can cap your upside but protect your downside on broad indices and on sectors.

You can short indices X 1 progressively so that, as they keep rising you can add more, you can short Developed and Emerging markets, you can short sectors and you can short volatility.

One has to do the homework, such as discovering if the options used are in or out of the money, one being a protective measure, the other a profitable one.

There are Buffer ETFs, there are Floor ETFs, there are Bond proxies and more.

Most are on the U.S. Xchanges and I buy sporadically so some show profits and some do not.

It requires a different mind-set.

However no calculations are required as with option complications of time decay and premiums. 

One just buys the instrument. 

They have developed the strategy. 

One has to study it, unless it is a simple short on an index or sector, but once done: 

Set and Forget.

No details, unless interest shown.

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aflash - interesting.  I would be keen to hear more about some examples.  Thank you.

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Certainly over the last six months 1050 has been good resistance. However given their heavy exposure to gold the share should be well supported. The USD is weakening which is a gold positive but this is counterbalanced by higher UST yields albeit Trump is attempting to cap them.  Gold also has been forming a bowl and has potential for 5,000 again; CB,s have been heavy buyers.

On balance I will continue to hold BlackRock World Mining Trust (LON:BRWM. Also added CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) a couple of weeks ago switching out of Morgan Sindall (LON:MGNS) which I have held for years but price has stalled.

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I just came across this new Vanguard ETF and thought it may be  of general interest, FTSE Global All-Cap UCITS ETF (VALL) . 

It's only on available via Vanguardinvestor at the moment as far as I can tell, but should be available via other brokers soon. It's interesting because I think it's now easily the lowest ocf that can be achieved for the broadest exposure worldwide including emerging markets and smaller cap stocks, and via a single etf. 

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AJ Bell list it. Sounds interesting" VALL provides "one-stop-shop" exposure to the global equity market without excluding small-cap stocks or imposing ESG filtering, making it a low-cost, set-and-forget core portfolio holding for European-based investors."

If I was minded to invest at the moment would look into it more, but I am more likely to be turning equities into cash. One for the future maybe. Selling I find hard emotionally but my internal nervous barometer is high. More cash from tendering  part of my VNH holding and am going to stress test the portfolio against a possible 10 % market fall to see what might hold up.

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Gore Street Energy Storage Fund (LON:GSF) You could not make it up really  . The managers have sold a couple of investments  to- a fund they also manage. And the board made sure it was all fair and dandy. Happy days for the managers- cannot recall if  they get a bonus for disposals. I hold just to keep myself amused it seems.

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VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) 

I think this might be the place to get some assistance. I have a 'corporate action' note for Vietnam Holding for an 'optional redemption' for all or part of my shares. I seem to remember they did this a while ago and paid above the market price. But I don't understand how a shareholder is suppose to make a decision when they don't know the price being offered (it says to be decided by the company!). Last time there was an arbitrage in play where you could redeem and buy back at a lower price (But was this just a punt, because I don't think they ever made the price visible when shareholders tendered - we only found out at a later date). Perhaps its the same this time and the arb is in play. I find the whole process very opaque and confusing - the corporate note offers no advice or further detail. What are other holders thoughts? Many thanks in advance,

cheers

Matt

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It will be at NAV if you have held for 2 years.Less than that % discount 2 % i year, 3 % up to 2 years- but those figures are from memory. I have actually tendered part of my holding- which is an overweigh position on the basis I can probably buy back at a lower price later. Well that is what happened 5 or 6 years ago when I tendered part. 

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Many thanks Charles. I wasn't aware it was at Nav so that makes it easier to make a decision. I will tender what I can as we are at a discount. If the share price remains at current levels the arb should play out and will buy back a bit lower than the tender price. In the unlikely event that it goes to a premium in that short window then I'll probably sell up the rest and wait for a discount to come back in. Anyway thanks again...that helps me understand the offer price now.

Cheers

Matt

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I doubt the NAV discount will disappear. I am just hoping to make a turn, but long term positive on Vietnam.

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Yep same. I've been in them for quite a few years and intend on holding for long term exposure to Vietnam through what I believe is a fairly sensible fund manager who knows Vietnam very well, where as I know very little apart from the general growth and rapid development taking place. Not a place I could stock pick, and the fact they are in fairly low risk old world businesses is also comforting to me.

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I am increasingly feeling uneasy about world events- well Trump's increasingly erratic comments so took some profits, sold some over weight positions and gone 20% cash (includes some short dated gilts we hold in dealing accounts so no CGT). I feel a sharp correction could come at any moment over the next few months so will have cash  to invest. Kept SIPP as it was- that is geared to produce income as discussed.

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Have to agree with you Charles  my Sipp and Isas are also currently sitting on a far bigger than usual cash balance,  an arguably too high 31% in fact. Markets are a law to themselves and trying to predict them is usually near impossible and not recommended. Unless one is very lucky it’s virtually impossible to get in at the bottom and out at the top but in certain situations trousering some of those lovely hard earnt profits can’t be a bad thing, especially as one gets older.  After all a profit is never a profit until it’s sitting cosily in the bank and although trying to play the markets is a dangerous game later in life there’s  less time to recover should any correction last for longer than expected. I will say though that the holdings I’ve topsliced in recent weeks are low dividend paying growth shares and not the high yielders.  I’m certainly not intending to sound scaremongering or for a minute suggesting that any investors follow suit. Everyone’s situation is different but at my time of life it felt the safe thing to do, also enabling me to sleep at night. Whatever happens so be it but like Charles I have ample ammunition available “if” at some point (and that’s a big if which I’d prefer not to happen)  markets do come off somewhat. 

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Coincidentally I started to top-slice certain holdings yesterday morning as well, for the same reason - although TBH I didn't generate an awful lot of cash as it was a cursory look as I am quite busy at the moment and spent most of yesterday driving the length of the country.

I will probably undertake another review today and see if I can raise some more cash - this will also help my drive towards a PF which is heavily weighted to collectives - currently about 70%, but looking to probably go to 90% in the medium term.

There have been so many good ideas on this board over the last coupe of months I don't think I am short of ideas for investing when things settle down a bit.

Obviously I could be totally wrong (as I have been many times) but there is never any harm in sitting on a small cash pile.  Whilst trying to totally time the markets is almost impossible, sensible PF management at times of risk is never a bad thing to do.

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Japan 

“High market volatility can deter investors in the long run, especially those focused on predictability and corporate fundamentals.

"If volatility continues or grows, there is a risk that negative aspects will rear their heads, such as overseas investors hesitating to invest," said Naohide Une, CEO of asset management firm Investment Lab.”

https://asia.nikkei.com/busine...

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I hold WisdomTree Physical AI Humanoids and Drones UCITS - USD Acc ETF (LON:PAIG)  https://asia.nikkei.com/busine... reports ”Shares of Unitree Robotics, China's high-profile maker of humanoid robots known for their fluid athletic manoeuvres, shot up more than 629% to 1,100 yuan apiece upon their debut in Shanghai on Wednesday, after the company raised 6.1 billion yuan ($905 million).” Interesting sector for a small investment maybe. 

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Digital 9 Infrastructure (LON:DGI9) reports a nav of 8.6p. It seems no regulator has looked into this massive destruction of value in 2 years. I have contacted a few. Along with Hydrogen Capital Growth (LON:HGEN^D26) Two boards that oversaw rogue managers and did nothing.

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I started an interesting experiment on 28/11/2018 by setting up some dummy portfolios on Stockopedia, each initially with £100,000.   Their values at the end of trading today (18/8/2026) are shown below.

The first portfolio is: "ITs Largest Conventional from 28/11/2018 started with £100k. Valuation: £197,582. Today's Gain: -£4,172, -2.1%. Initially had £10k invested in each of the 10 largest conventional ITs by market capitalisation. An IT is sold if it drops out of the top 10 and the proceeds are reinvested in the next qualifying IT. Ignores the reinvestment of dividends.". 

The second portfolio is: "SWDA from 28/11/2018 started with £100k. Valuation: £263,215. Today's Gain: -£2,367, -0.89%". 

The third portfolio is: "IFSW from 28/11/2018 started with £100k. Valuation: £241,396, Today's Gain: -£3,138, -1.3%". 

The fourth portfolio is: "IWFM from 28/11/2018 started with £100k. Valuation: £288,713. Today's Gain: -£8,891, -3.0%". 

SWDA is iShares Core MSCI World UCITS ETF USD (Acc).

IFSW is iShares STOXX World Equity Multifactor UCITS ETF USD (Acc). 

IWFM is iShares Edge MSCI World Momentum Factor UCITS ETF (Acc). 

IWFM has done slightly better than SWDA, but with significantly more volatility as today's price changes demonstrate. IFSW has done a bit worse than SWDA, even though one might have expected its multi-factor approach to have done better over an 8-year period. All 3 ETFs have done better than the 10 largest conventional ITs portfolio, although I am not taking reinvested dividends of the order of 1% or 2% per year on average into account with that portfolio.

The current constituents of the 10 largest conventional ITs portfolio with their holdings are: PCT (£57k), SMT (£29k), MNKS (£21k), FCIT (£20k), ALW (£19k), RCP (£13k), TEM (£11k), PSH (£11k), JGGI (£9k), CTY (£9k).  This shows how a portfolio can start off equally weighted but end up very unequally weighted after a few years, if there is no rebalancing.

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Hi pka - that is a very interesting experiment and is a great advert for largely buying and holding.

You are about £10k shy of £1m from a starting pot of £400k over a period of just under 8 years - a great return in my view for doing not a lot.

Undoubtedly there would have been some sizeable drawdowns at some point, but I am sure all PF's suffer from this.

It is also an interesting insight into different factor/styles of world ETF's, perhaps highlighting that sometimes backing a certain factor tilt over a pure vanilla version makes sense.

Thanks for sharing.

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The comparison is a bit unfair on the performance of ITs, because I used very simplistic rules for the IT portfolio as well as ignoring reinvested dividends.  In reality, anyone setting up an IT portfolio is likely to take into account various factors such as past performances, discounts to Net Asset Value, bid-offer spreads, and the IT's areas of investment.  

The exercise does show that a very simple strategy of just buying and holding a fund tracking a global developed equity market index can give satisfactory results over a reasonably long period and can be hard to beat.  But the period from 2018 to today is one over which the US market, the main constituent of a global equity fund, has done very well, so perhaps one shouldn't draw too many conclusions from it.

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I am in agreement pka since I moved to 90% ETF's and Investment Trusts from 100% single stocks my annual returns have improved greatly for far less work. This is mainly helped by not waking up one morning and finding one of my largest single stocks was down 30-50% at open.

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"European investors are pouring unprecedented capital into Japanese equity ETFs, driven by fundamental shifts in currency dynamics and monetary policy

Japan is experiencing a historic surge in demand across European ETF markets. Net inflows into Japanese equity ETFs reached €2.5bn in July – the highest single-month total on record – accounting for just over 5% of all European ETF inflows during the month.

This nearly doubles the previous record of €1.3bn set in January 2018.

The spike is part of a broader trend. Across data stretching back to 2005, the segment's three strongest months on record have all occurred in 2026: July's €2.5bn was preceded by June and February, which gathered €1.5bn apiece.

Assets in the segment have expanded accordingly. Across Europe, 80 Japanese equity ETFs now manage roughly €79bn." https://www.etfstream.com/arti...

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Do you think there is much risk Charles with the currency issues being played out with the USA at the moment.  I struggle to understand the complex scenarios at play here, but continue to hold Schroder Japan Trust (LON:SJG) as my play on Japan over the last few months.

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I have limited exposure aty he moment- which  is unusual. Thinking of buying AVI Japan Opportunity Trust (LON:AJOT) but  I do  not  fully understand  what is  happening- so AJOT might be the way given the  focus on corporate reform.

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Surely Japan is an avoid until they sort out the weakness of the Yen. Or is this wrong thinking on my part? Sounds to me like the money men in the background are happy to take on Scott Bessent and the crooked crew over this issue. Reminiscent of George Soros and the team v Bank of England. US must be feeling the pressure and want to keep the Japanese on side so they don't sell/start dumping US Treasuries. It might all pass with nothing significant happening or there again....

IMO Oil and Gas looks a better 6 month play. 

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SevenCC- not  sure hence my dithering. Been invested in Japan for the  last 10 years so it was a move to reduce  exposure-I have no direct Trust holdings now. Bit AJOT is different, Yen is the worry. The hedged ETF might be a better way, did alright with that earlier this year. Oil and Gas could well be but a sector I avoid direct( and where possible indirect) exposure . On my no buy list.

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Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIC) New investment in a Seraphim Space Venture fund company  Hubble https://newsfile.refinitiv.com...

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Which will allow for a partial conversion of the C shares at the close of this quarter. It will be interesting to see how that goes.  Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIC)

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"Southeast Asia is seeing economic growth driven by expanding exports of semiconductors and other electronics. Vietnam is at the forefront.

Vietnam has lifted its national income through export-led economic growth..."  https://asia.nikkei.com/econom...

"If Vietnam continues to grow at the same pace as its average over the past decade, then its per-capita GNI will surpass Thailand's in 2037, and Vietnam will become a high-income country around 2040, according to an estimate in Thai news outlet The Nation"

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There certainly continues to be good momentum around its economy, just a shame this is not always reflected in share-prices.

However, I do believe this is a good time to top up and will continue look at Xtrackers FTSE Vietnam Swap UCITS ETF 1C (LON:XFVT) in a favourable light with a hope that things pick up over the next 12 months.  It is about 15% off its recent highs, but I suspect it could drift a bit lower before climbing back up again, so I suspect I will try and create some more cash from my US holdings and put it to play here over the next few weeks.

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Agree with you here. Vietnam is one of my bigger exposures overall. Done OK with  it over time, but  recent pull back  is  disappointing.

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"Mind the Gap" thoughts from Craig Martin of VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) https://dynamcapital.substack....

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I bought Springfield Properties (LON:SPR) as a possible trade in May this year at 91p. At the moment I am going to hold, sold a land bank announced today , last of planned sales, completed the final payment for an acquisition. The company still has an impressive land bank in Scotland

The company trades at roughly 0.9x book value (a discount to its peers) and has signed a massive, unique agreement with SSEN transmission to build nearly 300 homes for workers upgrading the energy grid in the North of Scotland. This gives them a highly visible, alternative revenue stream that isn't dependent on traditional retail sales where demand is sluggish.

Looks an interesting situation and when demand picks up should be well poised.

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I was always keen on that one. I did a comparison between it and MJ Gleeson a couple of years ago.  The exact detail is now blurred, but in round terms MJ Gleeson valued each plot at twice what SPR did. Yes it is complicated by the land trading part of GLE and the contracting part of SPR, But the end result over two years: SPR up 85, GLE down 50%

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Silver shot up 119 % in 2025. It’s a precious metal underpinned by industrial demand. So does it deserve a place in your portfolio?

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Snowball analytics is improving. Now shows IRR on a portfolio. So changes in my SIPP have increased yield to 5.8% and IRR to 13.03%. I aim to nudge the yield up to 6.5% . Snowball does allow dummy portfolios so I could change the SIPP and see how the figures work out before actioning. As could Gemini AI to be fair. But quite like seeing the visuals in Snowball.

AI explanation of my aims :

"When taking retirement income, the primary risk is Sequence of Returns Risk—the danger that drawing income during market downturns permanently shrinks your capital.

Your numbers provide strong protection against this:

  • Sustained Capital Base: Because your overall growth (13.0% IRR) comfortable exceeds your payout (5.8% yield), your portfolio's capital value grows by roughly 7.2% net per year—even after drawing income.
  • Natural Income Yield: Taking the 5.8% yield as cash income means you don't have to sell underlying shares or units to fund your pension draws. You are living strictly on the cash generated by the assets, leaving the capital untouched to continue compounding."

Getting to 6.5% will potentially involve trade offs if I start buying stocks where the dividend is not sustainable- say the business is struggling so high yielding but not covered. As I am pretty much taking out the yield it is not compounding which is not great. So I need to find high yielders whose dividend will increase and look at the covered call strategy (which was discussed before in this thread).

Interesting exercise- I manage other portfolios with a different approach, but I need my SIPP to deliver income ( for me and then my wife if I pre-decease as expected). Hopefully I will survive until after 75 (7 years away) but if something happened she could take my SIPP out in cash tax free so I do not want to sell stocks to take out capital. Higher risk portfolios to use cash for drawdowns can work but I would need to increase the risk profile of the portfolio and so for my SIPP not looking to do this. My isa and dealing accounts are managed differently.

My understanding of tax so do check by the way- happy to be corrected.

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Hi Charles,  I was surprised by what you wrote about the tax treatment of a SIPP when inherited by a spouse, so I asked Gemini AI:  

"If a man in the UK passes away before the age of 75, can his wife who inherits his SIPP take money out of it tax free?"

Gemini replied:  "Yes, in most cases, she can. If a SIPP holder in the UK dies before reaching the age of 75, his surviving spouse can usually inherit the pension and withdraw the funds entirely free of income tax.
   However, there are a few important conditions and limits to be aware of to ensure the withdrawals remain tax-free:
   1. The Two-Year Rule
   To retain the tax-free status, the pension funds must generally be paid out as a lump sum or "designated" into a beneficiary's drawdown account within two years of the scheme administrator being notified of the death. If this two-year deadline is missed, any withdrawals will be treated as standard income and taxed at the wife's marginal rate of income tax.
   2. The Lump Sum and Death Benefit Allowance (LSDBA)
   Introduced in April 2024, the LSDBA caps the amount of tax-free lump sums an individual can pass on. For most people, this allowance is set at £1,073,100.
   Taking a Lump Sum: If the wife chooses to take the inherited SIPP as a single cash lump sum, it will be tax-free provided it does not exceed the deceased husband's remaining LSDBA. Any lump sum amount above his remaining limit will be subject to her marginal rate of income tax.
   Using Beneficiary Drawdown: If she chooses to keep the funds invested in a beneficiary drawdown account, these funds are currently not tested against the LSDBA limit. She can draw down an income as and when she needs it, completely free of income tax, regardless of the total value.
   3. Inheritance Tax (IHT) Exemption
   Currently, pensions sit outside of a person's estate for Inheritance Tax purposes. Following the Autumn 2024 Budget, the government announced that unused pension funds will be brought into the estate for IHT starting from 6 April 2027.
   Despite this upcoming change, transfers between married spouses and civil partners are entirely exempt from Inheritance Tax. Because she is his wife, she will not face an IHT bill on the inherited SIPP, regardless of whether the death occurs before or after the 2027 legislation takes effect."

I then asked Gemini: "What is the situation if the man passes away over the age of 75?"

Gemini replied: 

"If a man in the UK dies at or over the age of 75, the tax treatment of the SIPP inherited by his wife changes significantly regarding income tax, though the Inheritance Tax protections remain.
   1. Income Tax on Withdrawals
   Unlike dying before 75, the funds in the SIPP are no longer tax-free for the beneficiary. Any money the wife withdraws from the inherited pension will be added to her other income for that tax year and taxed at her marginal rate of Income Tax.
   Drawdown: If she keeps the money invested in a beneficiary drawdown account and takes a regular income, she will pay income tax on the amounts she withdraws each year. This often allows for better tax planning, as she can control withdrawals to avoid crossing into higher tax bands.
   Lump Sum: If she takes the entire pension pot as a single cash lump sum, the whole amount will be added to her income in that specific tax year. This could push her into a higher or additional rate tax bracket, potentially resulting in a substantial income tax bill.
   2. Inheritance Tax (IHT) Exemption
   The rules surrounding Inheritance Tax remain exactly the same as if he had died before 75. While new legislation will bring unused pension funds into the scope of IHT starting from 6 April 2027, transfers between married spouses and civil partners will remain completely exempt. Therefore, she will not face an IHT charge on the inherited SIPP, regardless of the size of the pension pot or his wider estate.
   3. The Lump Sum and Death Benefit Allowance (LSDBA)
   Because all withdrawals are automatically subject to income tax when the death occurs at age 75 or older, the £1,073,100 LSDBA limit does not apply to these inherited funds. The entire pot is simply treated as taxable income as and when she chooses to access it."

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Thank you- so as I thought. Hoping my wife  does not have to get involved in this though.  Not sure it will trouble the The Lump Sum and Death Benefit Allowance unless I have a good 7 years of investing !!

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Thank you Charles and pka for highlighting this aspect of financial planning. I am sure for most of us, such considerations will help our families' future wealth to a far greater extent than any decisions we make on the merits of individual company A over individual company B.

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The sudden change at age 75 in the tax treatment of inherited SIPPs seems arbitrary, but I suppose so are the other ages in pension legislation.

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How do you find Snowball Analytics Charles - I am looking for some PF Software, but the post I put up earlier in the week isn't getting much response.

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It is a lot better than 2 years ago. Shows each portfolio yield, IRR, when dividends will be paid etc. the breakdown of sectors is good once set up. I have geographical as well as industry sector. Relatively low cost which I think is worth it. I probably do not spend enough time on it to be honest. Easy enough to set up demo portfolios to test strategies out.

Sometimes the sku of a stock is misallocated, but easily sorted. When I first started using it the AJ bell connector ( 3rd party) was flaky. Now sorted and works well. Customer support is excellent.

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This is of interest to me Charles as in similar boat. I had not heard of Snowball Analytics but I see they do a free trial, so may give them a whirl. I manage four folios including my own, and shortly to be a fifth. So I can't afford to be too cute or I'd spend all my time worrying. It's all about architecture, structure, and as you say, projected income versus sustainability of capital. My Bruciefolio manages somewhat above your 5.8 % and aspirational 6.5%, but whether sustainable is another important question.  So far, so good, but a rising tide floats all boats, even some of those with small leaks! 

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Be interested to hear your views Brucie5  if you do the trial.

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Here is a referral code - gives you 10% off https://snowball-analytics.com...

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Unhedged newsletter here. I have played- and I think play is the right word for Korea- using an ETF Franklin FTSE Korea UCITS ETF -others are iShares MSCI Korea UCITS ETF USD (Dist),Ishrs Msci Korea Ucits Usd Etf (LON:CKR1^L17) and HSBC MSCI Korea Capped UCITS ETF USD (LON:HKOR) (LON:IKOR) (LON:FLRK) https://ep.ft.com/permalink/em...

Only for the brave I would say but I am tempted by the chart.

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I hold WisdomTree Physical AI Humanoids and Drones UCITS - USD Acc ETF (LON:PAIG) - link here is to an article on China's developments in this area-https://sc.mp/a0gvf?utm_source...

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I have reduced my direct exposure to Japan tp zero recently- I was concerned about the currency and what the Gov is doing. Reading this article I will keep a watching eye on Japan for now, though AVI Japan Opportunity Trust (LON:AJOT) does look interesting "
Can Takaichi's $2.3tn bet on industrial policy revive growth in Japan?

https://asia.nikkei.com/spotli...

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I've been researching Russell 2000 ETF's hedged to gbp , Gemini has suggested three one works on a swap basis which appears slightly more risky as its not backed by anything physical but if I understand it correctly the provider has to place collateral up daily. 

The advantage of the swap seems to be you don't suffer US withholding tax on dividends received but given the yield on the Russell is roughly 1.5% this isn't a biggie.

The other two track the index but it seems the downsides are tracking error is higher than the swap and you would suffer the with holding tax. 

The three instruments filtered by gemini as per below welcome any comments positive or negative.

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Regards Andy

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Interesting but not sure why the Russell 2000 is appealing. Is it not weighted to banks/industrial and the sort of stocks that are not yet profitable ? Not sure as not an index I follow.. I guess maybe if you think the tech stock boom is going to collapse. My only US direct exposure is Invesco S&P 500 Equal Weight Swap UCITS ETF Acc (LON:RSPB) which gives the S&P500 and equal weighting of 0.20% - so avoids the tech heavy bias.

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Hi Charles I was thinking of it more as a diversifier to existing holdings.

I've got most of the main index's in various ETF's already , I prefer ETF's if possible to trusts partly due to the fact you avoid stamp duty. The Russell is up with events though so I would want a pull back before taking a starter position. 

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OK- maybe I should look further. I tend to look at emerging markets and freely admit my lack of exposure to the US has been costly. I find it hard to invest in a country with Trump etc in charge. But hey probably worse out there which I do invest in and at least Trump is blatant about his desire to enrich himself and protect the bros !

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Totally agree and not even trying to hide the corruption and the bizarre thing is nobody in the US seems to fussed about it. 

I did read though his Truth Social platform lost north of $600 million which I really hope is his families losses but I dare say most of it is people/companies who have tried to buy influence with him.

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Molten Ventures (LON:GROW) is up 12% in a month. Maybe the ICEYE valuation is going to be higher that I expect re Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) . There are some significant stock holding announcements almost daily but Bank of America at the moment ? 

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Charles for info in today’s IC there’s a 2 page interview article with Seraphim Space chief executive Mark Boggett 

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OK George, lets hope it generates more interest. Did he say anything about ICEYE. SS will probably add to the Seraphim site at some stage.

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Charles , ICEYE makes up 47% of Seraphim’s portfolio at the end of March but after its latest funding valuation in June  it could be nearer 60%. However Boggett doesn’t appear worried about the concentration saying he believes “there is much more growth to come for the company and he’s happy to unapologetically back his winners. We’ve seen this successfully done elsewhere in the investment trust market. I always point to 3i and we’re another 3i, we’re the space 3i”  The whole interview article is well worth  a read. 

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OK- saying another 3i is not really what I want to hear !! Sold out when at a premium and Action was such a large part ! I do not get IC and not planning too, but sure I will find it somewhere.

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I'm guessing that it must be taken from the interview on the IC podcast on July 28th Charles... same quotes ... definitely worth a listen if you haven't...

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Thank you Cancun. I am a committed holder of SSIC and so SSIT soon.

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Def from the podcast I mentioned earlier in the week.  Don't normally bother with the IC podcast unless it is from a holding of mine, but found this one interesting, but  SSIC/SSIT needs to keep seeing growth from its holdings and with so much being in ICEYE it needs this to specifically keep growing - new contract announcements would be good.

Am in both, but with such a heavy reliance on a single holding it is quite high-risk (in my eyes at least).  Whilst the CEO is correct in his assertion to ride your winners I am slightly nervous when everything is largely loaded on a single horse.

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Kevin- my concerns as well . Hopefully the SSIC conversion will reduce that one stock dependency.

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Fwiw Charles and Kevin just to say I don’t hold SSIC or SSIT. Good luck to all holders and hope the stocks continue do the business 

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here’s the link to the podcast Charles, it was a couple of weeks ago now, I listened whilst out with the dogs and came straight home and bot the Ord and the C shares, the Ords have rallied and I sold but running the C long term. I’ve read up about ICEYE in the meantime and I have a theory it’s going to be Europe’s Starlink with lots of support from European govts to avoid reliance on Elon. I heard today Anthropic could Ipo at $2T. The numbers are getting huge, it really wouldn’t surprise me to see ICEYE at €50bn easily.
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/...

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ICEYE is an interesting business. Numbers mentioned are huge. I will stay grounded and see how the ride goes- with me onboard.

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Most newsagents sell the weekly editions

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In Laugharne- very unlikely. But I am going to my Mums in Hampshire so that might be more promising!

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IC do regular subscription offers ie on website  Get 12 weeks from £6  - just remember to cancel.   Am not a current subscriber but the John Rosier and John Baron portfolio's were particularly good, with the latter being Inv Trust focused

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The merits of Investment Trusts by Craig Martin of VNH https://dynamcapital.substack....

A teaser to the article "These youthful discoveries didn’t stop on my return to the UK. After I had paid off my travelling debts, I was intrigued enough to invest in the growth of South America and bought my first Investment Trust: The Latin American Investment Trust. The share price of the newly launched trust was about $1, and I poured a significant part of my student loan into it. By the time I sold the trust — just last month (in 2021), after more than 30 years — it was paying a 5% annual dividend and had risen by more than 500 per cent in value. It was a fun part of a portfolio and helped contribute to the cost of my children’s university fees."

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SFOR I bought on your instigation, thank you : )

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I see Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) are planning to introduce an ETF: https://citywire.com/investmen... interesting

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Milking it ?

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I did occur to me later that perhaps this and other space related ETF's recently introduced might mark a top. That said, long term, I do believe there is a growth story, but like all the best novels, there will likely be quite some twists and turns before we reach the conclusion!

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The managers of SSIT do run private equity funds as well- so guess no surprise.

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 LittleDave- they have been specialising in the space sector for a while- and why not make some fees.

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Fair enough Charles.   But listening to the managers speak etc I was under the impression they are mostly early stage and non quoted companies.   Perhaps this is a sign of the Space market maturing or maybe it is the managers recognising that ETF's sell faster and quicker (and are a bit cheaper to run) than old fashioned investment Trusts. 

Interestingly, the ETF will partially invest in SSIT.   I note it will be marketed (if that is the right word) by HANetf - which mainly  sold in Europe/UK and not the US.  I suppose it will sit nicely alongside the new GIJO  - future of defence ETF.

I should not criticise, I have been thinking for a while that the managed ETF sector would be a way of brining new investors / addit funds into the Investment Trust arena which could in turn help with discounts.    And this is exactly that.

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ETFs can't hold private companies, they have to be quoted. It'll use Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) to get access to late stage privately held companies and the rest will be in quoted stuff. The rules mean that they can't hold more than 10% of their funds in any single company.

But this will presumably help the liquidity of SSIT, not that it's needed much help in that regard recently.

timarr

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Good comment

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Difficult day for some of the strong yielders  in the FTSE 100.  Various bank analysts appear to have turned negative on the likes of Legal & General (LON:LGEN, Standard Life (LON:SDLF) and M&G (LON:MNG) downgrading them to a sell.  Arguably they have been on a good run but the market reaction, down between 3-4%, seems a bit harsh.  I hold all 3 and won't be selling as the yields continue to run well ahead of UK gilt yields, and appear sustainable, though with the recent run up in share prices they have fallen back.  Never going to be growth stocks but do offer solid income stocks in an overall portfolio.

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I take these broker upgrades and downgrades with a pinch of salt, and if looking to buy or sell take advantage of the usually temporary share price falls on the day. Also it’s ludicrous when they up or drop their meaningless share price targets by a tiny amount. 

I don’t agree about the likes of Legal & General (LON:LGEN) , M&G (LON:MNG) Legal & General (LON:LGEN) not being growth stocks.If boight on dips they certainly are. I hold all 3 and they have doubled excluding very big dividends. As has Aviva (LON:AV.)

Key is to time our buys ahead of the big share price gains and when (as was the case with all 4 of them) the dividend yields were all over 10% despite the promises to increase them year on year. The buy opportunity lasted for years….and over 10% yield while waiting for big share price gains ahead, is a good annual return on its own. 

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Hi Ken 

Always love you posts .  

As the share price has doubled do you not consider selling and taking profit (buying back later )or do you just hold and buy more when the share price drops /dips comes ?

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Hi Prof

As the share price has doubled do you not consider selling and taking profit (buying back later )or do you just hold and buy more when the share price drops /dips comes ?

Not answering for ken, I'm sure he'll add his own thoughts, but personally I've no interest in  trying to time specific stocks (*). Most of these did the square root of b-all for ages before eventually shooting up to a price I'd mainly consider as about fair value (LGEN excepted).  I have no idea why they were so cheap or why they've now re-rated but I was pretty sure they would re-rate eventually because they were trading at silly prices. 

To make a lot of money all I had to do was buy and wait ... and wait ... and wait ... and take the dividends while I waited (64% of original buying cost on M&G (LON:MNG), 54% on  Aviva (LON:AV.), 36% on Legal & General (LON:LGEN)).

Basically I invest for large share price rises using small numbers of trades, not the opposite. This means less trading, lower costs and far less brain power (which is fortunate, given advancing years and increasing red wine consumption).

timarr

(*) Timing the whole market is occasionally OK as in 1999, 2007 and 2020, all of which were visible ahead of time. Not that I sold everything, although I'd be a much richer man had I done so ...

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Hi Timarr 

Thank you for your response happy to learn from  you both ... you both speak so much sense !!

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Yep fortunate to have some awesome posters on this thread who are generous with their time and happy to help others. When Truss blew the bond market up the first news I found on it had nearly brought down the final salary pension industry was from Tim, BBC & SKY spoke about it a day or two later.

George & Charles great value on here also , plus a host of others Shoe Shine Boy, Kevin and many more keep up the great work all.

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Thanks. I’m pleased you like my posts. 

You’ve had a great reply from timarr and I agree with all of it. And what he does and doesn’t do is so similar to me.   

For shares like M&G (LON:MNG) etc, (and many Investment Trusts btw) once I’ve got a full stake I look to hold for years. I don’t look to buy more on dips. I only sell shares for investment reasons like a profits warning. Continuing to hold is how we get eventual multibaggers and an even bigger yield. 

e.g TP Icap (LON:TCAP) was a very lucky buy at about £1 a few.years ago. Now the dividend yield at my buy price is 18% a year and with good chance of  further dividend increases.The share price has more than tripled. So this is why I never sell just because a share has doubled or whatever. But a shock profits warning and then I might take the big profit. 

The key point stressed by timarr is the need for patience. Like him I waited ages for the market to get what we got years ago; I.e that they were at silly too low prices. Unlike us so many small investors lose patience…..and sell , and  so miss out from the big gains from these wonderful buy opportunities. 

A final point. A key reason I much prefer dividends to buybacks is because dividends return real cash to shareholders, and I can use that reward (it feels like free money)  to buy more undervalued investment Trusts and shares. So I don’t need to part sell any of my holdings in order to buy a new alternative. 

For now the obvious and easy buy opportunities are far fewer unfortunately. 

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Hi Ken ,

Thank you for your response happy to learn from you both ... you both speak so much sense !!

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Morning Ken,

Agree with you on broker upgrades and down grades - probably have to produce something to justify their pay grade!  May beg to differ on these 4 stocks being growth stocks but that might be down to poorer timing than you have achieved even though I have bought on dips.  My growth has ranged from 22-60% with dividend yields on cost ranging from 7.2-9.6%.  Not exactly multi baggers but very nice to to have.  As regards Aviva (LON:AV.) return not helped by my original purchase being in November 1999 at over £12.00! (when it was Norwich Union prior to merger with General Accident in May 2000 and its subsequent renaming as Aviva plc in July 2002.).  I suspect I might have been better to ditch it in 2002 and buy some of the 'Magnificent Seven'!!

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Always thought a growth stock would classified as "company expected to increase its revenues and earnings at a faster rate than the average market". 

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It would appear to be a no-brainer for anyone holding Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) to sell them and reinvest the money in Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIC) .

At the current prices and estimated NAV's this should provide an uplift in the final number of SSIT they hold of about 20%.  They can sell SSIT now at 186p and according to the formula they will effectively be buying them back at 148p.

Of course the actual NAVs that count are those calculated on the conversion date which is not even known yet.  Clearly the NAV of both shares will change in the mean time.  However since both shares are being invested in the same sector by the same manager it seems reasonable to assume that they will track each other and the 20% discount will be maintained.

The only question is why does this opportunity exist?  Why hasn't the market raised the SSIC price to eliminate it?  Does the market know something I don't or is the formula wrong?

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Isn't the next quarterly NAV likely to be nearer 240p ... not sure how that will affect the timing of the SSIC investment in, but the market rarely allows a free lunch IMHO...

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The market is expecting a substantial increase in the NAV of SSIT and ICEYE to add a significant uplift to take NAV up to £2.40-2.50. I have my doubts that it will be increased that much-it would be a 70% uplift. But who knows .

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So apparently the market does know something that I didn't.  

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It would appear to be a no-brainer for anyone holding Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) to sell them and reinvest the money in Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIC).

This is correct but it's a massive arbitrage amount - too massive to be believable. So far they've only invested £20m of the £137m they raised - as they invest more then the discount / premium will change.

I'm not saying it's not an opportunity but I wouldn't be betting the farm on it!

timarr

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Craig Martin of VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) weekly blog https://dynamcapital.substack....

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Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) and Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIC)  Last week the latter made some initial investments of USD25m with GBP118m still to be invested. The larger investment in Pixxel was an existing holding of Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) but presumably at a higher price. My understanding is that aim is to merge the two class of shares when their values are equal. If my understanding is correct this could take years. Currently Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIC) is trading below issue price 81p. Can anyone throw any light on the potential conversion?

Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT)  is one of my only non income holdings as I need income and emulate the Ken strategy

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The timescale is a lot shorter- next quarter they will start. I did go through the figures in a post below. All depends on the SSIT NAV at conversion, I bought more SSIC as I think(!) cheaper way in on my view of the likely NAV.

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Hi Chelsea,

Have a listen to the 28th July Investors Chronicle Podcast with Mark Boggett (CEO) - he explains it very well, and like Charles am tempted to buy  more "C" Shares.

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If this helps- simplest way is just to ask your preferred AI Chat !

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Here is very good article on the REITs sector and how valuations are so low that some are continuing to get snapped up in bids, and others could easily follow. So it’s a sector well worth checking out. 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/...

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A key point possibly being missed about Trusts with enhanced dividend policies like 4% or 6% of NAV or whatever target, is that if the NAV falls then so will the dividend. I.e dividend yield will be variable. 

e.g already CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) with their 8% of NAV dividend target has cut their(still very big) dividend as NAV fell away from well over £4. So the May dividend of 8.34p  has become 6.94p for the pay out on Aug 28th.

So these high targets are great when NAV rises. If we’re confident about the prospects for these Trusts,  then the falling yield and likely fall in the share price can be good buy opportunities. 

As for what the share price will do generally for Trusts with these NAV targets; we can’t give a definitive answer as it depends on obvious things like investor buying or selling. 

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Yes and so far the punters seem to like the new structure.   But how will they feel if or when NAV's decline and their divi income is automatically rebased.     Its a totally different way of doing things to the keeping funds back and smoothing dividend payments as the dividend hero's might do.

The resources sector is notoriously up and down so maybe investors in that sector need to accept the volatility pill.    Not sure about those funds that invest in more general equities eg Europe however !

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Just following on from previous conversations on this board about money market instruments for keeping some powder dry to try and take advantage of market dips, 

I wonder if anyone can offer an opinion on this LU1230136894 Amundi Smart Overnight Return as far as I can see its priced in gbp and is lower risk than ultra short bonds (although I have some money in the I-Shares Ultra Short Bond ETF courtesy of Timmar).

I haven't been able to get a breakdown of holdings at all but ideally prefer a ETF instrument against an OEIC due to OEIC's taking 3-4 working days to clear to cash.

If anyone has any better suggestions happy to hear them but a couple of  musts are priced in gbp and no time delay in converting back to liquid cash.

I did notice this ETF is registered in Luxemburg but get the impression its done for tax reasons with another favorite registration listing being Ireland.

Regards


Andy 

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Hi Andy - You could take a look at TwentyFour Income Fund (LON:TFIF) and Twentyfour Select Monthly Income Fund (LON:SMIF)

https://citywire.com/investmen...  article on TwentyFour Income Fund (LON:TFIF)

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Hi Chelsea already hold TwentyFour Income Fund (LON:TFIF), I'm ideally looking for 2-3 money market style ETF funds priced in GBP to just earn a bit more in interest than A J Bell pay on Sipp cash with a view to the money market ETF's just being an army in reserve to deploy in market crashes.

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On HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT) I hold - bought at historic lows so doing ok atm.  

But am a bit nervy and have a historic habit of selling at lows so being conscious of that am probably making the opposite error and not selling out when I should.

I want to try to only take action on an update with some more detailed numbers - full interim results due 14 Sept

I want to know more about the NAV - up or down, and how much the credit facility will cost.
As timarr says - the discount may persist indefinitely. On AI substitution, it depends - HGT say 

"We remain confident in the long-term investment case for the mission-critical B2B technology and services businesses that make up the HgT portfolio. The businesses in the portfolio are typically deeply embedded in their customers' workflows, hold proprietary domain data built up over many years, and operate in regulated or high-trust environments where switching costs are high. These are characteristics that we believe make them resilient to, and indeed well-placed to benefit from, the application of AI. Recent transactional evidence supports this view, with strategic and financial buyers willing to pay sizable premiums to carrying value to acquire businesses from the HgT portfolio, and cash-back from four successful refinancings in H1."

having worked in a business like theirs, I agree that the cost of change is _enormous_ and most commonly (where i was) happens when the current supplier withdraws from the market.  Those B2B businesses will be busy adding AI features.

This bit is my speculation :  an AI based conversational / text interface is heading towards being a commodity - that "information" will be transformed into "data" by code (that may be AI free or largely AI generated and then placed in a repository / transformed (a tax calculation) and passed to regulators .  This may be coded with AI assistance but you need to meet the current interface standards and you need to get the critical calculations correct.  That part of the process will not be passed to an AI for maintenance for some time.

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Sorry to combine things, but I've been crazy busy (try establishing a small farm from scratch in this summer...), so not much time to comment, although I am managing to read and appreciate them all.

To Charles/Ken etc., thank you for the Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI).  I've just swapped a small but satisfactory MONY (LON:MONY) holding for a starting stake, perhaps at the top end of what I'd like but 45.5 seems too low in the medium term.

Meanwhile, for ittledavesab, I am in the 'retired from gainful employment and wanting to sleep nights, while advising family members' cohort.  I have modified my mantra of a few years ago about 15% aims to 'be content with 10%'.   This means some vehicles like TwentyFour Income Fund (LON:TFIF), Chenavari Toro Income Fund (LON:TORO) andForesight Environmental Infrastructure (LON:FGEN) , Octopus Renewables Infrastructure Trust (LON:ORIT) and Real Estate Credit Investments (LON:RECI) really down have to do anything but provide continuity, while Regional REIT (LON:RGL) and Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) just have to ease up towards what seem to be stable NAVs.  I still wouldn't want to draw down more than 5%, but that would deal with inflation too.

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HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT)

(I hold)

An RNS out this morning:

A Preliminary Trading Update – six months to 30 June 2026.

Reading the interesting posts here, I bought a starter position in HGT in early February this year at 382p. This was after a c. 25% drop in the share price which was put down to the general AI uncertainty with software valuations.

Looking back at the chart, and after more abrupt moves up and down since early February, the share price seems to have settled (for now) back to those depressed levels.

• NAV per share is given as 530.7p in this RNS

• The AIC discount to NAV is given as -26.2%

Trading has been strong in H1 apparently but undone by the worry of the negative impact of AI in the software sector.

This reassuring snippet from the Chairman of HGT, Jim Strang stood out:

“..The businesses in the portfolio are typically deeply embedded in their customers' workflows, hold proprietary domain data built up over many years, and operate in regulated or high-trust environments where switching costs are high. These are characteristics that we believe make them resilient to, and indeed well-placed to benefit from, the application of AI...”

Now cautiously holding, I’m hoping for a re-rating like some other trusts and shares similarly affected have seen - and possibly buy more at these low levels, funds permitting and if sentiment begins to improve.

It would be great to hear others’ thoughts, as I have little expertise – just a biased holder!

Robert

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RE: HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT)

I think it's a decent call. I reversed out of HGT in order to buy directly into companies impacted by the AI software fears but it's a good investment trust play on the opportunity.

Of course the discount to NAV may stay wide while these concerns remain, and the opaqueness of the underlying holdings increases this risk even if their performance remains good. 

Broadly the concerns over AI impacting data and software companies have to be overstated - if they were true then AI would be capable of doing everything that these very specialised companies are doing. That implies some kind of generalised superintelligence that's a long way off.  That's not to say AI won't have an impact but mostly I'd expect it to benefit entrenched operators providing specialised services rather than removing the barriers to entry. Where I would be concerned is where data can be open sourced and regulatory barriers are low. Where data is ringfenced and regulation is tricky it will be very difficult for upstart competitors to take significant market share because much of the value is not in software it's in compliance.

Taking that a step further - the AI service providers have two choices: they can either provide services to these companies or they can compete with them. If they try and do both they will end up in a world of competition inquiry pain. Quite how they think they can make a return on the capital invested and genuinely compete with each other is a mystery - although perhaps the real issue is that this is an existential issue for them, as they either invest at almost any cost or die.

Meanwhile, as the recent copyright infringement settlement case against Anthropic has shown, AI will throw up all sorts of unexpected events, some positive and some negative.

timarr

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HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT)

Thank you timarr for your detailed reply on HGT and for putting things in perspective with the wider AI picture.

Much to think about and weigh up regarding the ‘opaqueness of the underlying holdings’ as you say. Also the question of the opportunity cost of waiting while the AI worries persist and the discount to NAV staying wide.

I’m leaning towards keeping the holding in HGT but will watch and wait before buying any more in the near future.

Individual company shares that I bought later in February, which were also knocked at the time by AI concerns have done pretty well since, namely:

London Stock Exchange (LON:LSEG)

MONY (LON:MONY)

Relx (LON:REL)

Experian (LON:EXPN)

Very much appreciated.

Robert

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Also bought into HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT) but too early as hovering around breakeven.   I expect it to be a bumpy ride and potentially uncomfortable.   I expect they will have some wins and more losses than previously but one major reason for the purchase  is the excellent long term record.

My gut feeling is also HGT's investments will be able to make use of (benefit from )AI for a few years and after that much depends on how the technology/ hyperscalers advances.    Against that is the (markets?) fear that one thing AI may do is to sabotage the pricing power of software companies, even if it does not manage to eat their lunch.

The likes of Polar Capital Technology Trust (LON:PCT)  and certain US stocks are going gangbusters so a two pronged approach could well be beneficial.     Polar are massively turning over their portfolio, taking active to a new level so buying into PCT would (in theory/I hope) balance out HGT?  - anyone agree ?

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Does anyone have a view on Safestore Holdings (LON:SAFE) . My research suggests it could be a turn around stock having underperformed the index by 23%. My slight concern is could demand fall for space as 30% appears to be used by home movers ?

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Hello Charles,

Thanks for prompting! I hadn't realised Safestore Holdings (LON:SAFE) had pulled back so much. I was looking last year after a lot of director purchases around this level and watched as it sailed away...

From what I recall, storage does seem to be a growth area. It must the horder instinct in us all, so I'm personally not over concerned that house movers make up a large percentage  of demand. I can easily see the situation where someone moves, but leaves quite some stuff in storage longer term.

I will take another look

Jon

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AJ Bell have produced a list of high yielding stocks that are out of favour. No trusts on the list but I did buy one a few months ago as it appeared on my screen of negative relative performance and had a yield Hilton Food (LON:HFG) . Some of them be of interest to income seekers who want some potential capital gain as well. Persimmon (LON:PSN) Is on the list. https://www.ajbell.co.uk/news/... I sold Dunelm (LON:DNLM) 2 months ago and unlikely to be tempted to buy back in at the moment.

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Investor Meet Company next week.

Not a trust but Ken's favourite house builder.

Persimmon (LON:PSN) PERSIMMON PLC
2026 Half Year Results
10th Aug 2026 at 10:00am BST

Again not a trust but might be of interest to copper ETF holders- I hold iShares Copper Miners UCITS ETF USD (Acc) (LON:MINE)

Atalaya Mining Copper SA (LON:ATYM)  ATALAYA MINING COPPER, S.A.
Q2 and H1 2026 Financial Results
11th Aug 2026 at 11:00am BST

Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP)

PRIMARY HEALTH PROPERTIES PLC
Interim Results
11th Aug 2026 at 1:30pm BST

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Thank you to everyone who has posted this week. Some interesting ideas and a few suggestions I will be following up on. I am re-positioning a couple of my funds as I would like to increase income and protect the capital against inflation- or ideally a bit better. Similar to littledaves and Simon's posts. I am in the process of handing my business over to a younger person - which in itself is an interesting process and one forgets how much of running the online store has become second nature- and glitches are obvious- but not so much to some-one coming in.  We also have  quite a good offline business from clients built up over the last 20 years and I had forgotten how much some of them did spend!(Plus a few I had slightly lost track of).

Have a good weekend.

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Hi

A lot of people here seem to invest for income rather than for total return. Reasons as previously mentioned, lower risk, funds that can run themselves if other family members need to take over - and I guess annuity type income in retirement also. The annuity type style interests me particularly in terms of Investment Trusts which are able to hold reserves and pay out a reliable income. Also many of the funds mentioned here are income rather than growth orientated and it has been mentioned that if investing for growth one would do it differently ?

So on a hypothetical 500k retirement fund - what would be a realistic yield / dividend income to allow for a steady income plus room for growth ? I am thinking 4% but is this conservative and what sort of growth could one hope for on top - if inflation is 3%/4% could one then aim for 7% /8% total return (on average) - which seems to me to be the sort of return the advisors might suggest? Also would you look to do a mix of higher income and growth funds with little or no dividend income ? Individual blue chips can also play a part, along with a small part for more active self managed investments.

I guess the AIC "Dividend Hero" trusts might be a good place to start. Anyone brave enough to put together some ideas for such a portfolio.

Interested to know if anyone has real world experience of such an approach in retirement.

Cheers all

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I did put a dummy portfolio together for my mother- it was only £250k. Yield was 6% and over the trial period of 4 months in terms of capital it did nothing overall- up or down. a couple did fall 10% or so, but others went up. That is always the issue. But it can be done- look at Henderson Far East Income (LON:HFEL) Renewables Infrastructure (LON:TRIG) for starters and in this thread numerous ideas.I would say 6-7% and inflation capital growth would be achievable with some of the high yielders at 10% and some lower ones like Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) to give some growth.

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It’s a good question and one that many of us here try to address with our portfolio construction. My personal  preference is investment trusts that offer an enhanced income model. That is, they pay a dividend that is a percentage of NAV (typically 4-6%) while having actively managed portfolios that aim to grow the NAV. This does mean that there is some drag on the capital gain but nonetheless, they tend to grow over time. In the table below are the 8 investment trusts that I currently own. The average yield is around 5% and as you can see, they do a pretty good job of growing capital as well - the one exception is HFEL which offers a seductive dividend but less opportunity for capital growth. I use it as an income booster alongside the others that offer a better total return.

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The other advantage of investment trusts, as we saw during Covid, is that they can maintain their dividends in troubled times.  

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To add a bit on income Investing……I expect when buying big dividend paying shares and Trusts (often using my usual buy the dips tactic) to get sometimes substantial capital gains on top from most of those buys.  I’ve listed some of the gains not to show off but to show what is possible. 

Unfortunately for anyone starting to focus on dividends now, there are far fewer income opportunities with big capital gain potential after their already big gains. 

My biggest winning big dividend Trusts and shares have all at least doubled excluding those dividends. e.g Blackrock Energy and Resources Income Trust (LON:BERI) Up 281% and BlackRock World Mining Trust (LON:BRWM) up 195% and CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) Up 370%. And quality shares then at incredible bargain levels and then paying 10% or more a year like Aviva (LON:AV.) Legal & General (LON:LGEN) M&G (LON:MNG) and others have all doubled. And TP Icap (LON:TCAP) up 240% now yield 17% and CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) with now enhanced 8% of NAV dividend yield policy yields over 30%. Like Simon I look out for Trusts switching to 6% or whatever of NAV dividend target. 

So for sure we can expect to get capital gains in time too. And the lower we can buy the bigger the yield is obviously both at the buy price and from further dividend increases each year sometimes. 

Now with far fewer opportunities like that I want a minimum 6% yield and expect to get more modest capital gains on top.

From the list Simon posted, I hold Aberdeen Asian Income Fund (LON:AAIF) and bought when the yield was over 7% and 40% share price gain since purchase, Aberdeen Equity Income Trust (LON:AEI) up 37% and Henderson Far East Income (LON:HFEL) about break even. But even with HFEL there was the chance to buy below £2 and get a good capital gain in time. I would have bought Blackrock American Income Trust (LON:BRAI) around £2 and ahead of 40% gain since but that’s one I missed! And now  the yield is under my 6% threshold. 

That’s more than enough examples to convince on the key point; that big yielding investments can bring big capital gains too.








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Simon, thanks for your interesting post, in which you wrote: "My personal preference is investment trusts that offer an enhanced income model. That is, they pay a dividend that is a percentage of NAV (typically 4-6%) while having actively managed portfolios that aim to grow the NAV." 

I can see the attractions of this approach, particularly if the ITs are held in a tax-protected wrapper such as an ISA or a SIPP. However, isn't there a risk that in a prolonged bear market, paying out 4 to 6%  of NAV as a dividend would increase the IT's likely losses in NAV and make the share price fall even further than it would have done otherwise? In other words, does this approach make the IT's share price more volatile?

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That "gearing effect " would only happen if the dividend was not covered and no revenue reserves. Gearing though is a factor for all trusts- and in a bear market a geared trust of say 10% would increase the drop in NAV. Gearing and dividend cover is on te AIC website.

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It’s a fair point pka. In a prolonged bear market the discounts are likely to widen anyway and it would be difficult to calculate the direct impact of the enhanced dividend policy, especially when including gearing, charges, natural yield and revenue reserves. 

For income investors, I imagine the prospect of stable/growing income supported by capital growth over the longer term (doubling every decade, for example) is likely to trump shorter term volatility.

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Renewables Infrastructure (LON:TRIG)(I hold) Dividend cover 1.1 which is inline, current yield 10%- target dividend is 7.55p . NAV is 101p. They are going to continue with the share buyback programme which they claim is supported by the majority- well state the continuation vote was passed with a 99.3% majority. I would rather see an increased dividend. Saba have yet to target this trust trading at a substantial discount to NAV!

I have increased my holding this morning.

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Ken and Charles - I just wanted to say that I find this one of the most valuable on- going threads on Stocko - and consult it regularly for investment ideas. Thank you for the time and effort you put into these posts - they are appreciated.

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One EFT that I don't think I have seen mentioned on these boards is iShares EM Dividend UCITS ETF USD (Dist)  -  SEDY

Now if you look at the longer term chart this might be the reason it does not get mentioned much !!  To be honest I bought it a about 2 yars ago (very approx 1210P)  as a bit of a punt and luckily got my timing OK.  Its a distributing fund with Current dividend yield 5.01% which makes the long term view a bit better. NOT saying its a buy but for me its a useful diversifier away from developed world stocks.

Its largest holding is Petróleo Brasileiro SA at only 3.85% 

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Curious to why some investment trusts have a StockRank and others don't? 

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The trusts that are REIT's might have as very similar to a REIT that is not a trust (just tax position re payouts-a trust must pay out 90%) and some of the PE trusts like CHRY which could be deemed (mistakenly) as companies with subsidiaries. I never look at Stock ranks for any Trust, meaningless.

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I agree that the stock ranks for Investment Trusts are meaningless. The same applies to their figures. Stockopedia is excellent for shares, but not for Investment Trusts. 

The AIC website is the best place imo for full information on Investment Trusts. Perhaps use this link to get  started. From that link you can check out individual Trusts in the “Company Search” box and also see every Investment Trusts  sector. 

https://www.theaic.co.uk/aic/f...

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Having spent a couple of days away from markets (hanging out with my grandchildren) I almost didn’t try to catch up on the 60 odd posts on this now very popular thread. However, I’m very glad I did because several of the discussions on income paying funds are very interesting to me. I’ll try and add my two cents.

For context, I recently took the full TFCS from my SIPP and therefore, am mainly now only interested in generating an income from that vehicle. 

Let’s start with the investment trusts that pay an enhanced income - by that, I mean a dividend that is not fully covered by the natural yield of the underlying portfolio. You might not be aware but on the AIC website on the portfolio tab there is a section that provides the underlying yield of the portfolio. For example, here is the one for Blackrock American Income Trust (LON:BRAI)

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Given that this trust pays an enhanced dividend of 6% and has a management charge of 0.73%, that’s around 3.5% drag on the capital appreciation of the fund. On this particular fund the 1 year NAV growth is around 40%, so that drag might not hurt so much but in a bad year or a sustained bear market it will have a more meaningful impact. Personally, I quite like the model because it means I can buy and hold without have to worry about selling bits of capital myself. I also hold Aberdeen Asian Income Fund (LON:AAIF, Jpmorgan Global Growth & Income (LON:JGGI, Invesco Global Equity Income Trust (LON:IGET), JPMorgan European Growth & Income (LON:JEGI) and European Smaller Companies Trust (LON:ESCT) which all employ enhanced income models.

I also hold a a couple of covered call ETFs and am broadly aware of their limitations. My mindset with these is that they are just for income and I don’t expect any capital growth. For example, I own JPMorgan NASDAQ Eqt Prem Inc Actv UCITS ETF USD D (LON:JEQP) in my SIPP but in my ISA I focus on iShares NASDAQ 100 UCITS ETF USD (Acc) (LON:CNX1) because I am very much still looking to grow capital in that vehicle.

A couple of additional ideas/comments. I’m sure a lot of people here hold Henderson Far East Income (LON:HFEL) because of their high yield (self included). Well, they don’t declare their underlying portfolio yield on the AIC site and also, I believe they use a covered call strategy to support their high level of income.

The other fund I have recently added to my portfolio is L&G Global Quality Dividends UCITS ETF USD Dist (LON:LDGG) with pays around 3.8% dividend yield - no enhancements, plenty of diversification (around 1,000 underlying holdings) and a focus on sustainable and growing dividends. It will be interesting to see how it performs over the long-term, especially against the enhanced income investment trusts.

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A little more on using the covered call strategy for income. Here’s the chart for Global X S&P 500 Covered Call UCITS ETF USD Dist (LON:XYLP) which currently generates around 10% dividend yield. It has still not recovered from the US/Iran sell off earlier in the year.

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Whereas the S&P 500 has recently hit new all time highs as can be seen from the Vanguard S&P 500 UCITS ETF USD Dis (LON:VUSA)

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As someone said earlier in this thread, you tend to get all of the falls (and some) but a much slower recovery. I guess we each have to decide whether the extra income is worth it. Personally, I am erring towards the enhanced income investment trusts over the seduction of double digit dividend yields.

What do others think? 

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Thanks for both posts Simon. I am in a simiar position of reorganising my SIPP to increase capital. The covered call ETF I am still thinking about, question of is the risk of capital depreciation worth it. So I could buy Smiths News (LON:SNWS) and M&G (LON:MNG) whoch arr in my wife’s isa and have provided income and capital growth. Getting the mix right is my quandry at the moment.

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"Getting the mix right is my quandry at the moment."

Mine too Charles. This thread is helpful and thought provoking though. 


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I tend not to invest for Dividends, but look for capital growth, although this has prompted me to look at my Drawdown a/c which is what I use to generate about 50% of my annual needs.

I have updated all of the recent dividend returns and have highlighted those that generate above 4%;  CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) Serica Energy (LON:SQZ) Mortgage Advice Bureau (Holdings) (LON:MAB1) Sylvania Platinum (LON:SLP)

One that I don't hold for income, but more for steady compounding growth is VanEck Ms Developed Markets Div Lead UCITS ETF (LON:TDGB).  This sounds similar to LDGG so I'll take a look at the two of them to see if there is a better option.

I do like to hold potential recovery stocks, especially if they provide an income whilst awaiting recovery, but this is not my main reason for holding.

I may need to reconsider my strategy as I could easily cope with reduced risk/return as I don't need to blow the doors off with it.  However, more often than not I get caught up in seeking growth.  My ISA's are nearly all in collectives - interestingly they are doing better this year than the SIPP/Drawdown - probably too much tinkering/trading.

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Hi Simon,  I did some further research into L&G Global Quality Dividends UCITS ETF USD Dist (LON:LDGG) and compared it with VanEck Ms Developed Markets Div Lead UCITS ETF (LON:TDGB)

It looks to be a very interesting ETF - obviously it only launched in January this year so its comparison in size is tiny - 260m euro vs 9billion - I suspect that at this rate it will grow pretty quickly.

What is quite interesting is that it also has a Quality element to it which always interests me.

It has 957 holdings vs 100 in TDGB although interestingly its method is for optimised sampling vs TDGB's full replication.  They also seem to have a different mix in sectors (both heavy on financials) but very different after that.

LDGG is slightly cheaper at 0.29% vs 0.38%.  Similar performance over the direct comparison of launch in Jan this year (17.9% vs 16.4%) although TDGB obviously has a much longer track record.

When looking into its specific holdings it is noticeable that of the Top10 there is no cross-over, although with so many holdings (the biggest being 0.5% of the PF) there is a huge diversification.

Whilst there is a similar shape to the performance over the last 8 months they are not an exact match which gives me confidence that there is plenty of diversification - holdings, sectors and largely geography although the US is still 27% vs 24%.

I think this is one I might consider further - thanks for bringing it to my attention.

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Hi Kevin

I’ve considered VanEck Ms Developed Markets Div Lead UCITS ETF (LON:TDGB) as it is a good ETF with a decent track record. The main downside is the 15% withholding tax on dividends which is not ideal.  

But it doesn’t have to be either/or - both ETFs could comfortably sit beside each other in a portfolio. 

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VanEck Ms Developed Markets Div Lead UCITS ETF (LON:TDGB), which I hold, has a good long-term track record.  According to the JustETF website, its 1 and 5 year previous total returns are +30% and +138% respectively, and it has a relatively low 1 year volatility of 8% at present, although its current dividend  yield of 3.03% is lower than that of LDGG.

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Molten Ventures (LON:GROW) July review. I hold . https://mailchi.mp/molten.vc/p...

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Sold a short term trade Hilton Food (LON:HFG) - it could go up after the interims next month but a bounce of 19% hit my target. The old adage leave something for some-one else. Any more issues on the seafood side and could see a downside correction. When I trade I am disciplined- unlike my loss making investments in renewables over the last few years. Lesson learn there for sure- HGEN and DGI9 (and others in the sector)  still annoy me for being reckless and buying into things I did not fully understand.

Bought some more Invesco S&P 500 Equal Weight Swap UCITS ETF Acc (LON:RSPB) and First Trust Nasdaq Cln Edge SG Infra UCITS ETFAUSD (LON:FGRD) . I am focussing on reducing core holdings to a lesser number as Bouden suggested-easier to manage.

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I’ve averaged up Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) today after their overall positive update. The share price is down 22% over the last 6 months and that’s because of the investor unpopularity of their involvement with the Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) fir Picton Property Income (LON:PCTN) . 

Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) looks a stunning bargain at the current bombed out share price. It’s almost back to multi year lows and the once big profit from my buy at 40p has almost gone ……for now. 

There’s an 8.4% dividend yield at current share price. There’s also a dividend announcement today, and 8%+ yield while waiting for the upside adds to what could well turn out to be near enough THE low for anyone buying now. 

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Buying PCTN is slightly cheaper way in if your happy to hold LMP. I just bought more PCTN - it goes ex div tomorrow so will get 0.60p dividend (settlement and record date are both Aug 7th).

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Great spot Charles. I calculate an approx arbitrage of 6.5% - even allowing for charges. 

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And AJ Bell only charge £3.50 and no Stamp.

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Thanks for the heads up - I already hold LMP which I consider a core REIT holding, even if not a particular bargain. Was thinking of adding SREI purely as a discount play, but yes PCTN might actually be the cheaper option. I guess there is a risk that PCTN could drop sharply if the deal doesn't go through? 

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Maybe though decent yield and no signs it will fail.

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Bought some more Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIC) . It is at the moment a cheaper way into Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) but it all depewnds on the next SSIT NAV which I assume will be used for the conversion. So the key will be IICEYE and after the fall in SpaceX since IPO . If the NAV is above £2.378 then it would be cheaper to buy SSIT. That would be an uplift of 34% from the last NAV of £1.7763 and an increase in the ICEYE value of 72%.

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Supermarket Income REIT (LON:SUPR) : 

Supermarket Income REIT Plc SUPR.L: Peel Hunt raises target price to 100p from 90p


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The Bruciefolio going into August now numbers 43 shares (too many?) with a total  income of 7.8%.  Last few days have also been quite positive - good news from RWS and some degree of revival among various renewables.   Like several others here it now supplies my majority of mine and my wife's income, so 80% of dividends will be paid out to us, reducing overall return. Most recent addition was CARD in replacement of TW., which severely cut its income.  Star risers remain core holdings , viz:  Standard Life (LON:SDLF) (115%),  Polar Capital Holdings (LON:POLR) (92%)  M&G (LON:MNG) (68%), ABDN (57%), LGEN (50%).  

By contrast, Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) and Reach (LON:RCH) are my largest continued disappointments at around -20% each.  My largest holdings are LGEN, CSN, DUKE, UKW, SDLF, SHHP, RWS, ranging from  4 - 3 %.

As you can see I'm well overweight Financials, REITS and Renewables. This is certainly not a recommendation, though it seems to suit me.

YTD on folio as a whole is  now at 12%.

AAIF, ABDN, ASHM, BBOX, BLND, BPCR, BVXP, CAML, CARD, CLIG, CSN, DUKE, FDM, FGEN, FSFL, GTLY, HFEL, IPX, ITV, LGEN, LRE, LIO, MNG, NESF, NRR, PZC, OSB, PHP, POLR, RCH, RECI, RWS, SDLF, SEQI , SHHP, SOHO, SNWS, SQZ, SREI, SUPR, TFIF, TRIG, UKW.

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Always interesting to see other people's portfolios and investment process. My own portfolio was actually pretty similar to this a couple off years sgo (high yield, mainly financials and investment trusts). 

However, I tweaked it quite a bit a couple of years ago as realised focusing on yield alone tends to make you overweight more cyclical areas with perhaps lower growth prospects. I therefore shifted more towards some quality/GARP type shares, which are lower yielding but have tended to deliver higher overall returns (which of course is the ultimate goal). Worth considering if you want a slightly more balanced risk profile. 

I also actively try to keep my total number of positions to 30 as beyond that you're not really getting any additional diversification, but difficult to keep track of over 40 names - I find this quite a good discipline as it forced me to cull a few positions that perhaps shouldn't really have been there. 

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Thanks Bouden. I'm always open to suggestions! However my value dividend approach reflects both my need for income and a certain impatience I have observed in myself when it comes to low/no income shares. Up to now a lot of my total return has actually come from compounding, though there were also some fantastic opportunities over last two three years to pick up lowly rated financials offering big dividends. I feel simililar with certain Renewables and REITs. In other words, I tend to believe there will always be room for an distinctive and effective  value approach, though I readily acknowledge that some of my ideas don't work out. That's partly why so many of them! 

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I agreed with almost everything you said, but for me now (and there may well be readers of posts here in the same position as me) it’s essential to maximise dividend yield and to try and have a portfolio that can ride out bear market falls. And though this is at the cost of sacrificing some big capital gains, that no longer bothers me. 

Why the need for this tactic? Health. I’ve twice had brushes with potentially fatal sepsis, both solved just in time by emergency operations, and I’ve several other health issues. I want to leave a portfolio for  my wife, who has little understanding of how to invest, that will run itself and provide big and regular dividend income that she can take out from time to time. 

So instead of your valid point about not holding too many shares and Investment Trusts, I’m happy to increase my holdings as big dividend paying opportunities arise. It means there are often dividend payments from one of the holdings every week, and the monthly yield is now substantial. 

Perhaps others here in my position should  also be considering a similar approach? My/our life changed for good almost overnight, from fit and active and long walks and holidays to anything but now! 

Separately my tactic, which I’m still surprised so few seem to go for, of looking to buy on big dips and not later after big share price gains, means our ISA portfolios are almost 100% winning investments, and that’s excluding the big dividends on top. 

I’m staggered to see people posting that they’ve just bought Trusts like CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) and shares like Polar Capital Holdings (LON:POLR) at multi year highs. Why not look to buy ahead of, in the case of CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN), the share price quadrupling ?

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As we all get older I suspect many investors restructure their portfolios to provide a regular source of income. Historically my favourite and thankfully profitable hunting ground has always been under priced growth shares and although I still regularly comb the market for such opportunities my portfolio has also taken a big swing to lower risk dividend paying shares over the past 5 years or so.

But this post is mainly again to back you up Ken encouraging "investors to buy the dips and not later after big share price gains". As an intermittent poster I certainly don't  intend to sound controversial or upset anyone by emphasising this but it isn't rocket science and it tips the odds and risk v reward far more into ones favour. The method has been proven over the years so I also have to  agree with Kens remark "I'm staggered to see people posting that they've just bought trusts like CQS and shares like Polar Capital at multi years highs" 

In the past few weeks or in my previous couple of posts I suggested having a look at S4 Capital after the promising trading statement back in May. I bought just a few weeks ago at 34p and after yesterdays results more than confirming May's green shoots the share exploded upwards and is currently priced at 52p so I'm sitting on a very nice gain. I'd be delighted if my original suggestion to have a look at the stock led to one or two buying but I'm not so sure it would have. The point is though that S4 turned out to be an opportunity of buying in at a low price with the risk v reward more in your favour.  Nobody can get them all right but if one is lucky enough to get 7 or 8 out of 10 to oblige then you are going to do okay. The likes of Foresight Group, Mony and Restore are other examples that I've bought at low prices over the past 6 months and I'm currently 19%, 33% and 28% up respectively. 

If stories change though and I get it wrong I sell out immediately to restrict losses, 2 examples were buying back into Future at £4.92 in January and selling out for a 16% loss at £4.12 at the end of March and GB Group buying at £2.20 in early February and dumping them little more than a month later at £1.99. The point here is be willing to admit to your mistakes and cut losers to hopefully avoid large losses, put it down to experience and move on. When companies issue under par statements these often repeat a few months later most likely leading to even bigger losses. 

Obvious buy opportunities are difficult to find now in these "arguably" mature markets. In fact over the last few weeks I've increased my cash balance even more by selling out of Audioboom (for the second time) Brave Bison, Bloomsbury Publishing and Winvia all at satisfactory gains. I did use some of the money to add to the bombed out SREI though. The share price has dropped by another penny since adding but dividend aside, surely there has to be a high chance of decent upside once the Picton business calms down.

As said finding such opportunities is tough at present as much of the low hanging fruit of a while ago has gone and I think buying now, in many cases, means taking the plunge with the risk v reward very likely to a large extent against you. I'm sorry if this post backing up Ken's method of investing gives the impression of me trying to sound clever but that certainly isn't the intention, far from it. No investment is ever guaranteed  but I'm in total agreement and have been for a long time with buying on market dips. Especially as we get older it's imperative to try and take a decent percentage of the risk out of this game. 

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Many thanks George for another post supporting my preferred investment methods. It’s obvious our way of investing is similar and is very successful. I’m surprised there aren’t more posts like yours, and assume (perhaps wrongly) that there’s little enthusiasm for our methods. As you posted “it isn’t rocket science and it tips the risk v reward far more into one’s favour” 

Like you I sell if I get  it wrong. Admit the mistake and move on, instead of finding excuses when an update is patently disappointing. That way risks big losses and can lead finally to taking that big loss ahead of what could be a new buy opportunity. Far better to sell and then monitor for possible new buy opportunity after the big falls. 

I agree about  the limited buy opportunities now, but jump at the ones still available. 

You’ll be pleased to know that your post on S4 Capital (LON:SFOR) (which I’ve monitored for years and ever since selling too late at £4 after that near £9 peak) prompted me to buy again at 38p.So a quick paper profit that just could become a multi bagger again. Thanks for the prompt. 

Though I now have a largely leave alone big yielding portfolio,  I still want a bit of fun too, so for around 10% of the portfolio I continue to enjoy buying potential non dividend paying  investments , including risky ones. So I bought Capita (LON:CPI)  a while ago, partly based on Richard Staveley’s support for the share. It’s one of the holdings in his very successful Rockwood Strategic (LON:RKW) Investment Trust. Rockwood Strategic (LON:RKW) is a must to check out for any looking for a very successful smaller companies Trust.

The other reason for buying is belief that longer term it could prove to be a classic recovery type share. It’s like turning round a super tanker, and there will be more hurdles like the Civil Service pension fund on the way, but worth taking the risk with this punt. 

I’ve also held non performing Cavendish (LON:CAV) for a good while. The share price has been stuck around 10p for ages.  But a few IPO’s at last could be all that’s needed to boost the share price. And CAVENDISH looks so cheap that there must be a chance of a bid too. Meanwhile there is an  8% dividend while being patient. 

And then there’s your recent buy suggestion S4 Capital (LON:SFOR) . Again risky but potentially high reward. 

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Ken, Bought CAV a few months ago lets hope, but the div is good  and would seem unlikely it will be cut. 

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Hi Ken,

From your reply to george54:

I’m surprised there aren’t more posts like yours, and assume (perhaps wrongly) that there’s little enthusiasm for our methods. As you posted “it isn’t rocket science and it tips the risk v reward far more into one’s favour”

After seeing your comment above earlier, I wanted to add a quick comment to assure you that I, for one, have been very interested in your posts for quite some time. Your approach, including ‘buying the dips’ has made a great difference to my efforts in ‘investing’ to say the least.

Although ill-equipped to contribute to this thread in any material way in terms of investing know-how - and as a paid up lurker - I’m benefitting handsomely from the collective knowledge and expertise I discover here day by day.

Knowing when to top-slice or cut losses remains a problem. It’s hard to spot what is an opportunity, a problem, or just a temporary set-back. I’m sure that’s never going to be an exact science, for me anyway.

That aside, appreciating it’s possible to make good, practical decisions, and minimise the bad ones, makes an enormous difference. As george54 said, ‘it tips risk v reward far more into one’s favour’.

Thank you and all the expert contributors who put in a huge effort to help us all along the way.

Robert

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Thanks Robert (and JollyBiologist) for your support both on the posts and the regular posters here. Good to know they are appreciated.

There’s no problem with lurking. That’s far better than people with nothing to say of value posting anyway.  That has happened on the Daily StockReport  thread and it’s really taken the edge off the comments section there. A big plus for the Investment Trust threads is the high quality of the many posts on it. But anyone should  feel free to post anyway. It’s not an exclusive club! 
 
It’s good when people new to Investnent Trusts  post to ask questions (no question is stupid if we don’t know the answer) or to or to ask anything they want to know about Investment Trusts in general and on specific Trusts and anything else they want to. . Such posts can get excellent replies and can be helpful for anyone getting to grips with Investment Trusts and ETF’s and sometimes for experienced Investment Trust investors too. 

As for knowing when to top slice or cut losses. For shares (unlike for so many investors) I find  it easy. Sell on any bad or iffy news.Admit we got it wrong and take the remaining profit or cut the loss ahead of further share price falls.  Top slice or sell when gains in bull runs look too good to miss.

For investment Trusts it’s often best to hold a mainstream Trust long term if bought on a dip. Always try and buy on a dip. These can in time become multibaggers. Sell a Trust that  has clearly become too expensive and is trading at a growing premium to NAV. Sell decisions on the more complex Trusts covered here are harder, but there’s a case for “if in doubt get out.” 

Obviously this is just general and over simplified comment, but perhaps a bit useful for anyone wondering about selling. Others might post different thoughts. 

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Thankyou hn90 and Ken. I could have written this myself as it sums up my feelings perfectly. I read this thread everyday and it encouraged me to take a dip. So far so good. I found some of the terms used difficult to understand and knowing when a discount was good or a warning. Also when to sell and when to hold on. 

Ken kindly did a great .beginners guide last  month which was really useful. Whilst I don't feel I've reached a standard to add to the expert commentators on here I do think I'm gradually learning . Really appreciate the learned  comments from all but especially both Charles and Ken.

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Thanks for the detailed reply Ken. I've held Rockwood Strategic for 2 or 3 years and without checking exactly must be 50% up.  Richard Staveley and his team seem to have the knack of finding bombed out situations that turn themselves around with some turning out to be big winners. Despite the trust trading at a small premium (arguably well deserved) it's a long term for me as things stand at present and I'm happy to let them go about their business and hopefully keep producing the goods.

I'd recommend everyone to read the fund factsheet which is produced quarterly. The factsheet shows the the top 10 holdings and gives a good write up of what's happened in the quarter with details of new buys providing their trading business has been completed. The sheet  to 30th June was released 2 or 3 weeks ago and can be printed off their website.

Like Charles I also bought Cavendish about a month ago after reading posts here  and I see that it goes ex dividend on 20th August for 0.50p. Based on the share price of 10p that means a payout of 5%  when the yield is paid, from memory sometime in September. So probably worth considering to receive this forthcoming juicy payout? 

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Have I missed something re NextEnergy Solar Fund (LON:NESF) Started a sale process mid July but nothing much has happened to the share price. Yields 17%(see below) and NAV is 76.1p.I appreciate they said that Dividends would be targeted at 75% payout ratio which probably means a reduced dividend to 4-4.6 p, which would still be a yield of 8-9%. I guess the issue is what is the likelihood of a bidder at anywhere near NAV ?

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i’ve looked at a range of ETFs including those paying big monthly dividends, but have now concluded (possibly a minority decision here) that I much prefer traditional Investment Trusts and REITS. 

Though the best buy opportunities are often gone, there are still plenty paying big dividends and have sometimes significant upside potential on top.

Here’s a list of those still worth checking out:- 

Chelverton UK Dividend Trust (LON:SDV) 142p. 7.2% dividend and 10% discount to NAV. 

CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) 363p and 8%  dividend. 2% Premium. Note though  (something  Ian Cowie failed to mention in his Sunday Times article saying  he had just bought CYN) that the yield is 8% of NAV. So future dividends could be higher or lower. I hold. Bought years ago and fab yield at my (and the Virtual Portfolio) buy price. 

CQS New City High Yield Fund (LON:NCYF) 50p.  9% dividend but 6% premium. Little upside at current price. Look to buy the occasional dips. 

Custodian Property Income Reit (LON:CREI) 86p.  7% dividend 17% discount. Covered on IT threads ahead of the modest share price gains, 

Dunedin Income Growth Investment Trust (LON:DIG) 316p.  6% dividend and 8% discount. After a long spell doing nothing, small recent gain. 

GCP Infrastructure Investments (LON:GCP) 83p.  8.4% dividend 16% discount.

Greencoat UK Wind (LON:UKW) 114p. 9.5% yield. 15% discount. Has risen every day since buy opportunity after their good Results again highlighted on the IT thread. Perhaps not much more upside now? I bought on the day of their Results. 

HICL Infrastructure (LON:HICL)  138p. 6% dividend and 14% discount. 

Living Reit (LON:LIVE)  79p. 7.5% dividend BIG 27% discount. 

Montanaro UK Smaller Companies Investment Trust (LON:MTU)  107p.  6% dividend and 6% discount. Poor performer but new enhanced dividend policy appeals. I’m about to check it out as a possible buy. 

Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI)  43p.   8.3% dividend and now big 33% discount. I hadn’t realised that apparently there is an arbitrage opportunity by buying Picton Property Income (LON:PCTN) and selling SREI that might explain the even further fall in the SREI share price. The share price is nearly back to my 40o buy price and is near long term low now. Surely limited downside and significant upside in time? 

TwentyFour Income Fund (LON:TFIF)  108p. 10% dividend. 2% premium. Little upside unless buying the occasional dips. 

Twentyfour Select Monthly Income Fund (LON:SMIF) 86p.  8.7% dividend 2% premium. As for TFIF. 

Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) 83p . 8% dividend and 20% discount. . Looks well worth considering. 

Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) 95p. 7.5% dividend. 9% discount. 

Land Securities (LON:LAND) 713p. 6% dividend and 20% discount. Great buy opportunity has gone but could be plenty more upside now quality REITs are over the worst and still cheap. 

I hold all of these except GCP and MTu. 

EDIT.

Custodian Property Income Reit (LON:CREI) and Dunedin Income Growth Investment Trust (LON:DIG)   both go ex dividend on Thursday, as does fully valued Aew UK Reit (LON:AEWU)

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Any ideas why CREI has been weak lately. Goes ex-div August 6th so not that ? 

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Very likely that the modest Custodian Property Income Reit (LON:CREI) weakness is just normal share price movement,  which if correct means it’s a better buy opportunity. 

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I have some cash in amanda's Isa wso will look at buying more once ex-div.

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Tthanks Ken. Chelverton UK Dividend Trust (LON:SDV) has been on my radar for a while as good vehicle to capture persistent value in small and midcap UK stocks. And CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) back to 8% is certainly worth reconsidering, though as you say, the dividend will be a function of NAV. I currently hold neither. 

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Am I missing something with SDV? Figures from AIC.

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Charles - I thought I'd ask the bot.   This is most of its answer.

Why has SDV so consistently underperformed its benchmarks? https://www.theaic.co.uk/compa...

I think there are five reasons.

1. Small-cap value has been the wrong place to be

SDV invests predominantly in small and mid-cap UK income stocks.

Unfortunately, this has been one of the worst-performing parts of the UK market for much of the last decade.

Since around 2016:

  • UK large caps have been helped by energy, mining and international earnings.
  • UK small caps have suffered from Brexit uncertainty, rising interest rates and weak domestic growth.

So part of SDV's underperformance is simply style headwinds, not necessarily poor stock-picking. The manager continues to argue that valuations in UK smaller companies remain unusually depressed and could offer significant recovery potential.

2. The income mandate

This is the bigger issue.

David Horner is not trying to maximise capital growth.

He is trying to find:

  • high dividend yields,
  • sustainable dividends,
  • recovery potential.

Those objectives don't always overlap.

Sometimes the highest-yielding shares are high-yielding because they're cheap for a reason.

That's the risk.

3. The trust lost its gearing

This is actually quite important.

Historically SDV enhanced returns through Zero Dividend Preference (ZDP) shares.

When those matured in April 2025, the trust couldn't successfully refinance them, so it became ungeared. That reduced both the income generated by the portfolio and the potential upside in rising markets. The board has openly said this is why the dividend had to be rebased from 13p to 10p, with revenue reserves being used to support that level until at least 2028.

4. Some poor stock selection

Not everything can be blamed on the market.

The manager himself identifies disappointing holdings such as:

  • Ultimate Products
  • Dunelm
  • B&M
  • STV
  • Gateley

These all detracted from returns over the last year.

That suggests there has been some genuine stock-picking underperformance as well.

5. Size

The trust is tiny.

Only about £30 million of net assets.

That creates problems:

  • relatively high costs,
  • limited liquidity,
  • harder to attract institutional investors.

If it doesn't grow, strategic questions may eventually arise about its long-term future.

But here's the interesting part...

If you'd asked me whether to buy SDV five years ago, I'd have said "probably not."

Today?

I'm rather more interested.

Why?

Because I don't think you're buying it for its past record.

You're buying it because you think:

UK small-cap value has become absurdly cheap.

That's a different thesis.

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I see. Not sure it is for me but get the thinking.

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Charles. Was the key thing you might have missed this section from Brucie’s helpful reply? I,e it had  been a split level Trust (very few of those left now) and I wasn’t remotely tempted while it was. 

3. The trust lost its gearing

This is actually quite important.

Historically SDV enhanced returns through Zero Dividend Preference (ZDP) shares.

When those matured in April 2025, the trust couldn't successfully refinance them, so it became ungeared. That reduced both the income generated by the portfolio and the potential upside in rising markets. The board has openly said this is why the dividend had to be rebased from 13p to 10p, with revenue reserves being used to support that level until at least 2028.”

But also in Brucie’s reply was the next section on poor share selections. That’s still the case imo with Chelverton buying shares I had sold like Dunelm (LON:DNLM) and B&M European Value Retail (LON:BME) and buying Taylor Wimpey (LON:TW.) despite profits warnings and where in updates it seemed obvious that Persimmon (LON:PSN) was  likely to be a far better pick. 

Add to that sort of thing, the dividend being fixed at 10p until 2028, so no chance of increases to help boost the share price. So though liking their current top ten (but they’ve too little in each one) I’m concluding there are far better alternative big dividend paying Trusts to invest in.

So I’ll be looking to sell Chelverton UK Dividend Trust (LON:SDV) now and take the small profit. Can’t see much more upside. 

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Thanks Ken- should have spotted the ticker as an old split

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Ken, interesting to hear you post on this.  I have just decided to buy some on behalf of both my children's folios for four simple reasons: firstly, because I think it might be an appropriate vehicle for the realisation value in UK midcaps ; secondly, it trades at a useful discount; thirdly it provides a well above average dividend; and fourthly, the chart looks extremely promising.  The last of these reasons is for me the instigating reason to buy here, as i think there might be some short to medium term upside.  Probably pure chartist drivel, but the level it's currently trying to break up from is 1.40; beyond which I see other historic levels at 1.70 (2024) and 1.90 (2023).   Taken together with the dividend - which keeps me patient-  anywhere between those last two levels would be a very adequate return for next 18 months afaic!  

But I'm probably talking nonsense, so let's check back in due course.  

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Ken,

I also own many of those.

But for some diversity away from UK or £ based assets, maybe have a look at these 3

JPMorgan European Growth & Income (LON:JEGI) Aims to pay 4% of NAV as a divvy. So dependent on markets and uses some capital to pay the divvy. Great if markets are ok and their performance is good.  Which it has been.

Aberdeen Asian Income Fund (LON:AAIF) Aims to pay 6.25% of NAV as a divvy. Cyclical and a bit risky as 30% of the portfolio is in 3 stocks: TSMC, Samsung and SK Hynix. Has had a wonderful last  15 months but of course those stocks are cyclical, so one to trade?

BlackRock American Income Trust (LON:BRAI)  This is the most interesting one. Last April, having been a rather dull value orientated IT with moderate performance. the management was changed to the quant team at BlackRock, charges were lowered and the  dividend policy was changed to pay 6% of NAV.  Over the last 18 months it is up about 45%, some of which is a revaluation from a discount to a premium. But most is a step function change in the performance. 

For your perusal!

Chris

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Thanks Chris for the heads up. 

I already hold Aberdeen Asian Income Fund (LON:AAIF) which I bought this time last year, and would have posted on here at the time,  when they upped the dividend yield target to 6% of NAV. Share price is up 37% since then, so the easy gains from obvious buy price a year or so ago have been had. But I agree it looks tempting even now. 

I’m goimg to follow up your JPMorgan European Growth & Income (LON:JEGI) info. I currently hold European Opportunities Trust (LON:EOT) but it might be worth a switch to JPMorgan European Growth & Income (LON:JEGI) . 

As for Blackrock Latin American Investment Trust (LON:BRLA) I’m put off (this is no reason for anyone else to be put off!) by the Trust being one of very few Trusts  too mean to belong to the AIC. Apart from it meaning I can’t check the masses of superb info on the AIC site don’t they realise what a quality site it is, and that AIC is the trade body for Investment Trusts? Just hope for anyone holding Blackrock Latin American Investment Trust (LON:BRLA) their investment judgement is better than that. 

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Ken, it was actually Blackrock American Income Trust (LON:BRAI) 

Coincidentally, Kepler did a report today.

It's on ResearchTree


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Apologies Chris. Goodness knows how I thought it was Blackrock Latin American Investment Trust (LON:BRLA).  I’ll follow up your suggestion. 

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ChrisW, thank you for the reassurance that someone else has thought of those three trusts, all of which I hold.  Another one to think of, which I also hold is European Smaller Companies Trust (LON:ESCT) .  This recently changed its dividend policy (last summer I think) to pay out at least 5% of its previous years NAV.

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Alan, thanks. I used to hold European Smaller Companies Trust (LON:ESCT) and they performed well. I sold because i turned my portfolios to be more income oriented. As they now have a more aggressive dividend policy i will look at it again

Chris

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Chris.

I’ve looked at Blackrock American Income Trust (LON:BRAI) now. Just wish a poster here had alerted us at the time (Feb 28th) to the enhanced dividend policy announcement! The share price then was just over £2. It’s risen almost 40% since that first announcement. Also the yield at just over £2 woukd have been an irresistible 8%. I’m going to monitor now and if there’s a better/lower buy opportunity ahead, I’ll likely be buying. So thanks again for the prompt. 

As others have posted these Investment Trust threads are superb ( thanks again Charles) but one downside is the relatively few actually posting on it. That inevitably mean that great buy Investment Trust opportunities like Blackrock American Income Trust (LON:BRAI) around £2 , don’t see posts to alert us all. 


I have been alert to some of the other “enhanced dividend tactics announcements” but could well have missed others. e.g Aberdeen Asian Income Fund (LON:AAIF) which I did buy ahead of the gains, and CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) which I already held, have seen big gains since they made those announcements. 

CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) were bullied by SABA in to a tender offer which many of their investors used as a chance to sell. Soon after CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) issued their 8% of NAV dividend yield target anf the price doubled at one point from that tender offer price. So loyal investors who didn’t sell out have been well rewarded. 

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Gore Street Energy Storage Fund (LON:GSF) despite being advised they do not have are including Saba’s resolutions at the Sept AGM.

The two requisitioned resolutions contained in the notice from Saba are set out below:

Ordinary Resolution

1. THAT the Company shall not continue in existence as an investment company.

Special Resolution

2. THAT, if Resolution 1 is passed, then within 3 months the directors of the Company shall put forward proposals to the members of the Company to the effect that the Company be wound up, liquidated, reorganised or unitised.

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Yes, I have a residual interest in this for a 3rd party.  Despite its travails the trust still chucks out a 15% quarterly dividend while it's assets languish at a ridiculous discount. Shouldn't this be a deep value play for income investors? 

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I see RM have backed Saba. This could be quite a good opportunity. I hold so dithering about increasing. My only concern re the dividend is will it be held ? The board face an issue because if they did cut due to reduced income they would be doomed. So it is an interesting position.

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Thanks Charles - dithering is probably the word that applies to me and my shareholding as well.  I have been chatting with other posters on the advfn board, including the fruits of my consultation with ChatGPT, in case you're interested.  I can't quite bring myself to sell at these lowly levels, though I can't say I have medium, let alone long term confidence in either the competence of the board or the intentions of SABA/RM.  I guess the 15% dividend, however  derived, will continue for the time being.

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Pietro at RM is pretty straight talking- and fed up ! I sold a poor investment-CLS Holdings (LON:CLI) today so might punt that into it. CLS- major shareholder sold to another holder on Friday- both in sound swiss so guess it could an arrangement or else the buyer might be a tad grumpy.

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WShak is a big and longstanding fan of CLS Holdings (LON:CLI) .  His largest holding now apparently - or was when he recently wrote about it!)  is Renewables Infrastructure (LON:TRIG).  He's worth  following, though not necessarily worth copying! 

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I was looking at creating a QVM global ETF strategy and was doing some playing around on gemini. 

3. DIY Global QVM Portfolio (Equal Split)

Because single multi-factor global funds can sometimes dilute factor intensity, many UK investors build their own 3-ETF Global QVM basket using iShares MSCI World factor ETFs on the LSE:

1/3 Quality: IWQU (iShares MSCI World Quality Factor UCITS ETF)

1/3 Value: IWVL (iShares MSCI World Value Factor UCITS ETF)

1/3 Momentum: IWMO (iShares MSCI World Momentum Factor UCITS ETF)

All three carry a low total expense ratio of 0.30% p.a. and trade natively in GBP.

ETF / StrategyTicker1-Year3-Year (p.a.)5-Year (p.a.)10-Year (p.a.)20-Year (p.a.)*

iShares World QualityIWQU~20.1%~17.5%~10.3%~12.6%~11.6%

iShares World ValueIWVL~14.4%~9.8%~5.8%~7.8%~7.2%

iShares World MomentumIWMO~28.0%~15.5%~12.2%~13.7%~11.9%

Benchmark: MSCI WorldSWDA~19.2%~12.4%~9.3%~11.5%~8.6%

Key Takeaways from the DIY 3-Way Split

  1. ​Quality (IWQU) – The Steady Core Outperformer
    • ​Behavior: Highly consistent over 5, 10, and 20 years. Because it screens for companies with high Return on Equity (ROE), low debt, and stable earnings, it tends to capture upside during bull markets while offering lower drawdown in market drops.
  2. ​Value (IWVL) – Cyclic & Rate-Sensitive
    • ​Behavior: Lags over 10–20 year windows due to the heavy mega-cap tech rally. However, Value tends to outperform strongly when interest rates rise or during economic turnarounds (e.g., strong performance relative to Growth during inflation-spike environments).
  3. ​Momentum (IWMO) – High Growth & Dynamic Rebalancing
    • ​Behavior: Delivers strong multi-year returns when strong trends persist (such as tech-led bull runs). However, it experiences periodic "momentum crashes" when the market abruptly rotates (e.g., value rotations in late 2020 or tech drawdowns in 2022).
  4. ​The Equal Split Advantage (1/3 Each)
    • ​An equal 3-way split smoothed out volatility significantly over 10–20 years while generating an estimated annualized return of ~10.2% – 10.8%, outperforming the standard un-tilted MSCI World index (~8.6% – 9.5%) with lower single-factor crash risk.

Personally I feel that in a long term portfolio such as a SIPP this strategy would cover most bases.  

What do readers think? 

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Hi bsharman, thanks for your interesting post.  

The ETFs you mentioned (IWQU, IWVL and IWMO) are all available on the UK stock market but they are all priced in US dollars, so buying and selling them would involve currency conversion charges which can be quite high.  There are equivalent iShares MSCI World Factor ETFs available on the UK stock market that are priced in pounds, which are IWFQ, IWFV and IWFM.

Where did you get your performance figures from? According to the JustETF website, the 1-year performance figures relative to today (4th August 2026) are IWFQ +20.3%, IWFV +54.7%, IWFM +23.0%, SWDA +20.7%, so their figure for IWFV is very different from yours for IWVL.

Another approach to investing in those factor ETFs is to select the one that has been performing best over the previous 6 months, review once a month, and if the previously selected ETF is no longer the best performing then sell it and put the proceeds into the current best one.  That might allow one to capture whichever factor (Q, V or M) is currently the best-performing, because factor trends tend to persist for a while.

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Thanks for the reply pka, The data all came from google gemini - I didn't realise, so will looks at the £ equivalents. Interesting about capturing the best factors, but for me personally it would be a buy, hold and forget approach to covering global QVM, without having to trade or tinker! Cheers 

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I think the 2 of you have just put most investment advisers out of business! Perhaps you should join together, do a funny dance in fancy dress and post on tick toc or you tube. You would help de your.

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Youth!

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Out of interest, I downloaded some monthly performance data for the IWFQ, IWFV, IWFM and SWDA ETFs from iShare's website and then uploaded that data to Claude AI.  I asked Claude AI to "Please retrospectively test, over as long a period as possible, a strategy of investing in the ETF that has been performing best out of IWFQ, IWFV and IWFM over the previous 6 months, review once a month, and if the previously selected ETF is no longer the best performing then sell it and put the proceeds into the current best one. Please ignore transaction costs."  

Claude AI did this and came back with the following results:

Total

CAGR

Vol

Sharpe

Max DD

6m rotation, 3 factors

325.3%

13.7%

16.1%

0.85

−28.1%

Buy & hold IWFM

314.3%

13.5%

16.0%

0.84

−28.5%

Equal-weight 3 factors

247.1%

11.7%

14.7%

0.79

−25.7%

Buy & hold IWFQ

227.0%

11.1%

14.5%

0.77

−27.5%

Buy & hold IWFV

194.0%

10.1%

16.6%

0.60

−28.7%

Time split: IWFM 43.7%, IWFV 32.6%, IWFQ 23.7%.

Lookback sensitivity:

Lookback

1m

2m

3m

6m

9m

12m

CAGR

12.3%

12.0%

13.7%

13.7%

12.5%

14.3%

Sharpe


0.81

0.76

0.85

0.85

0.79

0.90

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Those results by Claude AI assume no transaction costs from rotation and no capital gains tax, so they slightly over-estimate the returns from rotation and assume that the ETFs are held in an ISA or SIPP.

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I should have mentioned that the results I quoted by Claude AI were for the 135 months from May 2015 to July 2026. This was a period in which momentum strategies performed relatively well.

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I use these Factor ETF's in my SIPP - all UCITS, all £ denominated:

LON:IUVF iShares Edge MSCI USA Value Factor

LON:IUMF iShares Edge MSCI USA Momentum Factor

LON:IEFV iShares MSCI Europe Value Factor UCITS ETF

LON:CUS1 iShares MSCI USA Small Cap ESG Enhanced CTB UCITS ETF

LON:IUQF iShares Edge MSCI USA Quality Factor

LON:IEFQ iShares MSCI Europe Quality Factor UCITS ETF

LON:XXSC Xtrackers X MSCI Europe Small Cap

LON:IEFM iShares MSCI Europe Momentum Factor UCITS ETF

LON:IBTM iShares USD Treasury Bond 7-10

LON:SEGA iShares Core EUR Govt Bond UCITS ETF

LON:XSPS Xtrackers X S&P 500 Inverse Daily Swap

Obviously don't buy all of them, but look for the top two with best relative strength across,  12, 6, 3, 1 months. Currently IUVF and IUMF.

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Hi Wigge, I like the ETFs you mentioned, except for XSPS. This article explains why I don't like inverse ETFs such as XSPS:  https://larryswedroe.substack....

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An ETF that is able to take short positions and which (in my opinion) doesn't have the drawbacks of inverse ETFs is the iMGP DBi Managed Futures Fund R USD UCITS ETF (ticker DBMG).  According to the JustETF website: 

"The iMGP DBi Managed Futures Fund R USD UCITS ETF is an actively managed ETF. The ETF invests globally in long and short positions in various asset classes (equities, bonds and commodities) using futures and forwards. The ETF's TER (total expense ratio) amounts to 0.75% p.a.. The dividends in the ETF are accumulated and reinvested in the ETF."

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XSPS is in the list as a "bearish " indicator more than anything else. If it climbs my relative strength list then I would be reducing exposure or worse case scenario going to cash and hiding behind the settee!

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Have just joined you on iShares MSCI Poland UCITS ETF USD (Acc) (LON:SPOL) Charles. Have spent too long holding VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) which has gone nowhere, though hopefully this will change for those more patient than me. Belatedly swapped after reading back through Edmund Sching's missives.

Also hold Global X Copper Miners UCITS ETF USD Acc (LON:COPG) and Global X Silver Miners UCITS ETF USD Acc (LON:SILG) to cover off those sectors alongside Atalaya Mining Copper SA (LON:ATYM) as my direct copper play. Used to play Wisdomtree Commodity Securities (LON:LCOC) and something in Wheat that I can't remember but only when at 4/5 year lows. And typically ignored the alerts I had set up for Wisdomtree Commodity Securities (LON:LOIL) in December as I didn't believe oil would move far! What a mistakea to makea as our Italian friend used to say.

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I am hanging onto VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) . Sold SILG a few months ago. I use iShares Copper Miners UCITS ETF USD (Acc) (LON:MINE) instead of COPG- not sure why I chose that one.

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I am looking at income ideas at the moment so anoither post. This sort of looks more interesting and I do understand the concept.

AI Generated "Unlocking Yield in Mega-Cap Tech: The Rise of Covered-Call UCITS ETFs

For income-focused investors, high yields have traditionally meant allocating heavily toward slow-growth sectors like utilities, real estate, or legacy telecom. However, the arrival of tech-focused covered-call strategies on the London Stock Exchange (LSE) has changed that landscape, allowing UK investors to combine mega-cap technology exposure with double-digit distributions.

US-listed options like Kurv’s KQQQ popularized this approach by holding tech titans while selling call options to generate cash flow. Because KQQQ lacks UCITS certification, UK retail investors are restricted from buying it directly in ISA or SIPP accounts.

Enter UCITS-compliant alternatives like JPMorgan’s Nasdaq Equity Premium Income Active UCITS ETF (LSE: JPMorgan NASDAQ Eqt Prem Inc Actv UCITS ETF USD D (LON:JEQP) in GBP / JEPQ in USD).

Key Merits for UK Investors

  • Enhanced Monthly Cash Flow: By selling out-of-the-money call options against tech holdings like Nvidia, Apple, and Microsoft, these ETFs convert market volatility into regular cash distributions—often yielding ~10%–11% annually.

  • Buffers in Flat or Choppy Markets: Option premiums provide an organic cushion against minor market drawdowns, boosting total returns when equity prices move sideways.

  • ISA and SIPP Tax Efficiency: Fully UCITS-compliant, these products trade natively on the LSE, avoiding US withholding tax friction while compounding inside UK tax shelters.

While covered-call strategies cap total upside during rapid bull runs, they offer a powerful balance of growth-equity exposure and high monthly income."



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Do yourself a favour and don’t get involved in covered call ETFs. In a sell off you get all the downside and none of the recovery. Buying a Nasdaq covered call ETF for anything other than a very short term bet would be madness imo

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Thank you- just looking at it, not planning to buy at the moment.

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my understanding of this type of product is that if the Nasdaq rallies the upside is capped due to the calls getting exercised, the income can fluctuate and not guaranteed & with the FTF owning Nasdaq stocks the ETF could fall as much as the covered calls dont protect market falls.

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Writing covered calls in a upside limiting strategy for sure. But it can generate extra income, as in the old days traded and written options were used by funds to gain income.

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For interest for those looking at yields- some AI research after an article about Simplify Currency Strategy ETF (PCQ:FOXY) by Snowball Analytics.(I use to keep an eye on portfolio yields, weightings etc)

AI generated "Navigating FX Carry and EM High Yield: UK-Compliant ETF Options

The foreign exchange carry trade—borrowing in low-interest currencies to invest in high-yielding ones like the Brazilian Real or Colombian Peso—offers attractive income and low equity correlation. While US funds like the Simplify Currency Strategy ETF (FOXY) package this active strategy into a single product, UK retail regulations (FCA) limit access to non-UCITS US funds.

For London Stock Exchange (LSE) investors seeking similar exposure, Emerging Market Local Currency Bond ETFs serve as the primary UCITS alternative. These funds capture local interest rate differentials by purchasing sovereign debt issued in native currencies.

Passive vs. Active UCITS Alternatives

While not pure FX derivative products, these UCITS ETFs allow UK investors to harvest rate spreads across emerging markets while staying within regulated retail brokerage accounts."

These are not ETF's I am familiar with- if anyone has a view please share.

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I would steer well clear regret Charles ... as an ex Macro trader ( rates and FX ), I would suggest that you get hurt on these products in times of volatility because of spreads and illiquidity .... and we've certainly got enough vol atm .... absolutely a valid question to ask, but the providers of the liquidity generally end up being the beneficiaries... same with the covered calls in the section above ... I would suggest sizing your exposure appropriately through the normal channels rather than over complicating things with derivatives...

Many apologies for not being more positive...

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As part of my AI research it came up with this- probably highish risk portfolio to get exposed to the "picks and shovels" . I am not sure I will be buying any of these at the moment but an interesting exercise. I have taken a small position in FGRD as it is mainly a play on the global grid transformation. 

"Global grid modernisation is accelerating at its fastest pace in decades, shifting from a slow maintenance cycle to a massive capital expansion driven by three converging pressures: AI data center demand, renewable grid connections, and aging legacy equipment.

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The Citywire weekly Trust Watch which includes the biggest weekly winners and losers and also very useful columns on Trusts with widened and then reduced discounts to NAV, is always worth reading. It’s free and easy to register. Here’s the link:-

https://citywire.com/investmen...

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A couple of interesting articles this weekend:

  • Canadian General Investments (LON:CGI) was tipped in MoneyWeek as a stable play on Canada. Pays a 2.1% dividend, around a 40% discount to NAV. Gap between US and Canada P/E ratios 'rarely been this wide'.
  • Vietnam was highlighted in Barrons. 'Vietnam has never looked this attractive during my career'. 'For investors worried about nosebleed-priced artificial-intelligence stocks, Vietnam offers old-fashioned names linked to 8% macro growth, from banks to retailers to steel'. Reassuring words!
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Craig Martin of VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) latest round up. https://open.substack.com/pub/...

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Investor Meet Company this coming week.

F&C Investment Trust (LON:FCIT) F&C INVESTMENT TRUST PLC
Update
4th Aug 2026 at 11:00am BST

Renewables Infrastructure (LON:TRIG) THE RENEWABLES INFRASTRUCTURE GROUP LIMITED
Interim Results for the six months ended 30 June 2026
7th Aug 2026 at 11:30am BST

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A rather volatile month especially if you have exposure to emerging markets and the Far east. It baffles me how leaders who are meant to act for the best interests of their country and populations seem completely oblivious to this and just playing their own game. Cynics might say to personally enrich themselves, but guess despots in the past always did that. Certainly seems a lot of discontent amongst sections of the populations involved, but no popular uprising yet- in a peaceful manner. Elections will be the test.

Vietnam is having a poor time regarding the stock market- despite growth of 8.3% in the first half of the year. It will come good, but frustrating to see gains eroded. I had to adjust my emerging portfolio of trusts and etf's. I had become very exposed to a couple of stocks like Samsung Electronics Co (KRX:005930) and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (NYQ:TSM) . Should have done it a few weeks ago, but rather ignored the obvious . I have sold some REIT holdings and now focussed on Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) and iShares UK Property UCITS ETF GBP (Dist) (LON:IUKP) , Sold out of SEGRO (LON:SGRO) happy to take the profit. On the data centre theme bought some Hill & Smith (LON:HILS) - they have amongst other products flooring solutions for centres. Looks cheap compared to similar businesses. Could easily be a take over target I would assume. 70% of their turnover is now in the US

The bleating in the press about another PLC being taken over amuses me. If there was more interest in LSE listed companies and institutions would pat similar valuations to US listed companies then the would be less corporate activity. I am not that concerned how I get a profit- by growth or take over it suits me either way. 

Encouraging private investors would help, though I am not sure that alone would solve the valuation issue. Stamp duty removal might- there must be a better way of taxing investors than this tax. No wonder ETF's are so popular as no stamp duty applied. Or Unit trusts/Open ended funds.  The dearth on exciting new companies coming to the market to raise cash seems to be in very short supply as well, so no wonder interest in the stock market in the UK is subdued.

I am re-considering my holding in Living Reit (LON:LIVE) . If the government do start looking at not for profit providers of care this could have a negative affect on values. Personally I am all in favour of the PM's approach on this- I have a daughter working in social services- and if he can resolve care at home and outside of the NHS it would free up the NHS to provide the health care top the Nation it was set up for. 

AI will no doubt have another turbulent month and I am just sticking with the exposure I have. Mobius Investment Trust (LON:MMIT) is a relatively new holding ( I did hold it 4 or 5 years ago). It has exposure to emerging markets and technology. Tech wise it holds what the manager calls the "picks and shovels" companies specialist engineering of companies with an IP monopoly in particular suppliers to AI computing, Data centres and IoT. One I will buy more when I have cash available.

Have a good August.

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VITP Monthly update

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Thanks for posting, as ever, number33.

Ken, firmly with tongue-in-cheek, but rather surprised to see SDCL Efficiency Income Trust (LON:SEIT) still sitting in the portfolio! Though that 50% discount to NAV is tempting for sure!

More seriously, I see all the Vietnam trusts are also trading various discounts to NAV. Given yours and others conviction, a top up opportunity maybe?

Jon

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Jon

You’re so right about my continued failure to sell SDCL Efficiency Income Trust (LON:SEIT) despite posting here more than once that I would. I’m going to sell SEIT today. I’ve done this sort of thing far too often, including failure to buy some very good IT winners in my own portfolio.

Despite this neglect,  partly because (perhaps wrongly  with 21 up ticks for the latest update) thinking there was little interest here in  the VITP,  until very recently performance has beaten all but the FTSE index. But it’s now below the FTSE250 too and time to refresh it to try and improve performance. 

Thanks too for your hint on Vietnam discounts. VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) further fall last week was mainly because of a widening of the discount from under 9% to 13%. That’s undeserved and a great top up opportunity. I’ll  buy more VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) today, and also buy India Capital Growth Fund (LON:IGC) again …it was a triple for the portfolio in the past, and is the best performer of the Indian Trusts.Main negative is Indian market being expensive. 

Further on Vietnam, I hope everyone reads the post just now from JSchoffer ! Speaks for itself on Vietnam Trusts being too cheap. 

I’m also going to buy Finsbury Growth & Income Trust (LON:FGT) which after a very poor run saw good gains last week. Nick Train has  a good longer term record and there’s a chance now this is the start of improving performance at last. I really like the very concentrated portfolio with around 90% in the top 10 holdings. That’s a real conviction portfolio. Several were big winners last week andClarkson (LON:CKN) issued a positive update today and is up14%. Here are those top 10 holdings:- 

Top holdings

Data as at : 30/04/2026

Investment% of total assets
London Stock Exchange Group PLC13.2
RELX PLC10.7
Unilever PLC10.5
Sage Group (The) PLC10.5
Experian PLC10.3
Diageo PLC9.0
Schroders PLC7.7
Burberry Group PLC6.3
Rightmove PLC6.0
Clarkson PLC4.3

I’ll activate the buys and SEIT sell this morning. 

Suggestions are always welcome and as has happened with Jon’s post yesterday they wake me up. 

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Following up my previous post, please number33 can you make the following trades for the VITP. 

Sell SDCL Efficiency Income Trust (LON:SEIT) at 65p. 

 Buy another £1000 worth of VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) at 314p 

Buy £2000 worth India Capital Growth Fund (LON:IGC) at 174p 

Buy £2000 worth of Finsbury Growth & Income Trust (LON:FGT) at 808p.

As always..very many thanks for the superb way you do all the hard work on the VITP and then present it with so much detailed  and quality information too. 

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Hi Ken,

Glad to have been useful and to see that you concur!

If you do find a buyer for SDCL Efficiency Income Trust (LON:SEIT) for 65p, do let us know!

Please don't be hard on yourself, re performance and trades of the VITP. I'm sure you have more than enough on your plate to keep you busy.

Regards,

Jon

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VITP Trades confirmation

SDCL EFFICIENCY INCOME TRUST PLC, (SEIT), 4,087 sold at 38.39p, Proceeds = £1,563.00, Loss = £112.53  (I have substituted the most recent sell price for the price given by Ken)

INDIA CAPITAL GROWTH FUND (IGC), 1,140 bought @ 174.0p, Cost = £1,999.52

 VIETNAM HLDG LTD (VNH), 314 bought @ 314.0p, Cost = £996.89 

FINSBURY GROWTH AND INCOME TRUST (FGT), 245 bought @ 808.0p, Cost = £1,995.50 

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Thanks number33  for correcting the SDCL Efficiency Income Trust (LON:SEIT) sell price. I had posted the Sequoia Economic Infrastructure Income Fund (LON:SEQI) instead! Thanks Jon F too for spotting the mistake. 

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Ken - I did exactly the same last week regards Finsbury Growth & Income Trust (LON:FGT) taking the view that a lot of the Saaspocalypse fear is proving unfounded and seeing some good recoveries in many of the holdings.

Not a great fan of Burberry and Schroders is already a takeover but the rest seem to be in a good place.

I also felt that the Vietnam story was being underplayed recently and feel this is a great time to top-up.  I currently use Xtrackers FTSE Vietnam Swap UCITS ETF 1C (LON:XFVT) as I couldn't make my mind up regards the other 3 x IT's covering Vietnam.

There are also quite a few single-company shares that are beginning to whet my appetite, but am currently out of any spare funds being fully invested.  I don't appear to have anything that has gone up so much it is worth top-slicing!!!

The enclosed chart is the 5yr chart for all 4 of the above mentioned Vietnam Tursts and ETF.

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Re Saaspocalypse fear... Investors can often forsee the final chapter in a book but cannot tell how many twists and turns the author (Mr Market) has or will insert between here and then.   

My guess is AI will initially help a large number of firms but there will be a quick downfall possibly some years away.   Anthropic/Claude seem very adept at tailoring its model for different industries and given their need to justify a high growth/market cap  I anticipate in due course they will tailor their model to attack some of the larger SAAS providers.    

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I held FGT for a while and sold at a loss beginning 2026. The 10 year performance is nothing exciting and I will not be buying back in. Bought more VNH and XFVT.

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Thanks Charles. Concerning AI I notice that RWS Holdings (LON:RWS) has made a further acquisition in the field this morning, which the market seems to like.  I confess it's way above my paygrade to understand what exactly it does/brings to the party. Previous exuberance in the notion of a recovering share price has previously been brought down to earth, but there is the continuing assurance by the BoD that they make the technology work for them rather against them. It's now firmly back over the £1 level, which can be an arithmetical launchpad for recovering shares that have previously plummeted.

I hold. 

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Thanks Brucie, I will have a look at RWS. I am positive on the benefits of AI to many companies. 

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