Money Matters, Your Opinion Doesn't
Our brave new world is filled with a cacophony of opinions; everyone's an expert. The proliferation of media channels, accompanied by ever more desperate attempts to keep up with social networking and inclusivity trends, is leading to a world governed by the lowest common denominator. Now get this: I want to be informed by people who actually understand what they're talking about, even while reserving the right to disagree with them, rather than by someone whose main skill is in double-jointed thumbery and text messaging. Aliens viewing the output of terrestrial media from afar are probably wondering what type of disease is decimating the intelligence of the average Earthling. This babble of uninformed opinions is swamping the already low level of intelligent comment available and nowhere is the problem greater than in finance where people start with the view that possession of a small amount of capital and an internet connection makes them gifted and talented investors. Still, if nothing else, we can probably blame the French.
Post-modern Equivalence
Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely adore France. Indeed there's very little to dislike in a country notable for its independent culture, fantastic food and fanatically rude service staff: it's the only place in the world where your waiter treats you like he's doing you a favour. It's a wonderful country but it does have a history of rather odd ideas. Stuff like liberty, regicide and post-modernist philosophy. Post-modernism is a peculiar branch of philosophy that argues the case for moral relativism or to put it in English, it starts from the point that everyone's perspective is equally valid. This, of course, is the lynchpin of inclusivity – if everyone's viewpoint has an equivalent weight then everyone has an equal right to a voice. Underlying this, though, is a proposition that enrages scientists the world over because if all ways of looking at the world are equivalent then science has no special place and, in particular, scientists have no right to a special say in anything.
And the Scientifically Illiterate Shall Inherit the Earth
This idea has gained an awful lot of traction, mainly amongst people who don't understand science – a group that includes a lot of philosophers, quite a lot of economists, virtually the entire output of university humanities faculties the world over and, not entirely coincidentally, nearly every journalist of every hue imaginable. After all, if post-modernism is correct none of them need to worry about whether anything they opine is actually true or not because, well, "truth" is such an old fashioned concept, innit?
It's all vaguely funny, of course, but it also leads to some seriously dangerous viewpoints gaining tremendous media coverage. Here in the UK we've seen a major mumps outbreak and a year on year rise in measles because of a scare story developed out of some frankly dodgy research on the triple-jab vaccine for mumps, measles and rubella. The research purported to show that the vaccine was implicated in a rise in autism in children and led to widespread boycotts of the jab with predictable consequences – the dangers to children of not having the vaccine were always significantly greater than having it, even if you believed the research.
The list of bodies implicated in this cock-up are long and varied and the scientific establishment doesn't come out of it especially well either. However, the media misreporting in spite of the best efforts of informed scientists to point out the true issues clearly was, and still is, a major factor. Of course, the views of scientifically illiterate celebrity journalists were regarded as equally valid to that of reputable scientists, although none of these people now seem willing to take any responsibility for the inevitable rise in brain damaged children and worse, preferring to let the hapless academic at the heart of the study take the blame. The wonderful Bad Science blog carries the whole story, blow by blow, here.
Don't Fly in Post-Modern Planes
The point, of course, is that allowing uninformed, ill-educated views the same weight as those of people who actually know what they're talking about is stupid. At root even post-modernists know this since we rarely find them flying on aircraft designed by people whose main skill is in levitation by channelling lay-line energy through crystals.
Perhaps the best known refutation of post-modernist ideas is Sokal's Hoax, where the physicist Alan Sokal managed to get a post-modernist journal to print an article in which he essentially claimed that large parts of science are not based on objective reality but are, instead, socially constructed. The article is deliberately riddled with basic scientific mistakes, although the real joke is in the genuine post-modernist thinkers that Sokal quotes to back up his tongue-in-cheek attack, whose grasp of science appears to have been acquired by watching repeats of children's TV without fully understanding the details. The problem with all of this nonsense is that it spills out into the real-world and the idea that we all have opinions worth giving equal weight to is dangerous to the extent that it obscures the effort and training that goes into acquiring the skill and knowledge needed to run our increasingly complex world. Nowhere more so does this apply than in the world of investment where the proliferation of internet trading and access to increasingly large amounts of financial information is encouraging the creation of a new breed of investor: irrationally over-confident, desperately underperforming and, apparently, completely lacking in self-awareness: see Don't Lose Money In the Stupid Corner.
The Cramer Bounce
However, we shouldn't be surprised because the popular finance experts don't do any better after you've adjusted for the effect of a pundit making a stock call. The "Cramer Bounce" after the popular and wildly entertaining TV pundit Jim Cramer announces a stock tip is well established. In Market Madness? The Case of Mad Money the researchers show that market professionals are happily making money off of the uninformed. Yet, as the researchers point out, rather plaintively:
"We also find little evidence that Cramer has skill in selecting stocks, so it is unclear why the market responds at all to his recommendations."
The main finding, which is one that's been found in other stockmarket media recommendation studies, is that there's a price surge following the tip followed by a partial reversal. It rather looks like those people who know what they're doing are making money at the expense of those who don't. This too is no surprise, the stockmarket is a very efficient mechanism for moving money from the pockets of those who think they know a lot but don't to those who know they don't know much.
Reason and Evidence
The point is that having an opinion is to humans concomitant with being able to fog a mirror, it doesn't signify any special understanding of the topic under discussion. To be valid and/or useful an opinion needs to be underwritten by understandable logic and supported by verifiable evidence. This rules as inadmissible over 99% of most opinions expressed but even then is only a necessary condition. To be sufficient you need to dig into the details which, frankly, most of us don't have the time to do. To create a business involves a chain of complex stages including having an idea, developing a business plan, raising finance, investing in assets, employing people, navigating your way through legislation, finding customers and so on and so forth. If this sounds hard, it is. If merely opening an internet trading account and reading a few opinions on-line or in our uninformed media was enough then everyone would do it instead of sweating the hard stuff. The truth is that investing is just as tricky to make money out of, requires just as much effort and is just as likely to end in failure as any other business venture. That's why your opinion's irrelevant, unless you back it up properly and fight the urge to seek confirmation for your pre-formed views as discussed in Confirmation Bias, The Investor's Curse. And, to be frank, if you're going to put that much effort into identifying good investment ideas why are you going to share them with me? In money matters you get out what you put in. Opinions alone are not enough.
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12 comments
ee,
Well I have bought quite a few RBS Euro series 3 prefs and some Argons and have read the prospectii
http://www.investors.rbs.com/debt_securitisation/preferredamericandr.cfm
and followed the detailed discussion on the TMF banking board. My conclusions are that the bulk of the uncertainty regarding those instruments, which were trading around 10% of par at one stage and are now in the 60-70% range, came from uncertainty as to the continued existence of RBS as a non nationalised banking entity. The EU meddling hasn't helped either, but I would have to say that the extreme price variation comes from market uncertainties regarding the business and recovery plan. This was a baby and bath water situation and the meddling from the Dutch woman just an hour or so down the road from me, means that more 'normal pricing' has been suspended until the date at which these instruments resume payments end Q3 2012, comes more into focus than the lingering bad memory of the suspension last autumn. I would judge this would be sometime in the early part of next year and/or when RBS returns to long term profitability.
I suspect some of the sharpest people out there 'filled their boots at prices around half of today's levels and this may limit the speed of recovery from here on in, until the profitability corner is turned. At nominal yields of 7% and 8% these should be priced nearer to par in time, imv.
repobear
....mmmm...well I'm not going to debate the point. We both know you are big enough and ugly enough to make up your own mind - and you probably wouldn't take any notice of me anyway ;-)
cheers
ee
Good advise Buffy...Thanks.
Sadly the financals are holding up well....it's what happens when you buy Aviva after it has already dropped 20% in a short space of time....It seems like the miners are being whacked today...But the likes of Soco has not done too badly...
Going against the herd, when there is a clear reason for doing so, will always drastically improve one's chances of handsomely beating the market.
Clearly, as a private investor there is no peer pressure to buy or sell, and we don't have to justify our results to anyone (unless we are so silly as to tell the boss indoors too much). This is itself a huge advantage.
Specialising is another big advantage, and if one specialises in an area where the product is always in demand, regardless of who else is selling it, then you have a clear case for success if you find the product. If you look further down the road than 'the market' conventionally does, then that's another clear advantage.
If you are confident in your knowledge, then the market can throw up tremendous opportunities to pick up stock at very silly (low) prices. Respect the market as an efficient mechanism, by all means. Just don't think it can keep it up all the time. Be ready to pounce.
If I couldn't beat the market regularly I'd buy property...
Finally, in an effort to show that 'the market' isn't always right....Gary Player idolised Ben Hogan, and used many of his 'truisms'. The more I practice/practise, the luckier I get, was one of Hogan's.
Buffy
And where do we find those people?
We tend to choose magazines, newspapers and other sources that are good or reliable. Sources which 'get it' and have intelligent outlooks and balanced views of the world. Which is to say they - er - think like me. I may be expanding my knowledge and thinking, but it's all along the same path because I'; following sources I agree with and that are aligned with my view of the world.
Perhaps we should be reading the Guardian as well as watching FoxNews; subscribing to Militant; following writers on ADFVN and S'pedia? Perhaps post-modernism has a point, after all...
But what about investing? That's why we're here I guess. And for many of us it's not about creating our own FTSE trackers, it's about trying to find something a little more special. And, by the way, my view is that whatever my (in)competences may be, I can hardly stuff it up more than those nice people who looked after my endowment all those years ago.
Finding something a little more special means looking for something we believe to be undervalued by the market. By those smart kids that ee refers to. And here's where the problem begins. Because we don't want them to remain undervalued for ever, only for as long as we have some cash lying around and aren't in need of spending power.
After a period of time; years for some, months for others, we want these stocks to reach their true value so that we can cash in. Can it happen? Will it happen?
Well, whilst we're waiting we do just the kind of thing you ask about:
Because ultimately we need everyone to believe the same story as we do, if the value we believe lies within is to be outed. And in doing that:
It can be an uncomfortably closed-system sometimes...
SW10
Hi SW!0,
This is one point where I have a slight divergence with your comments and why, on that topic, I wrote:
One of the major reasons behind my concentration on E&Ps in the FTSE250 and below is that I am looking for companies that have, or may build, assets that are strategically-attractive to larger companies on the lookout for M&A opportunities. In addition I have also preferred to invest in companies where there is an explicit willingness of the management to trade their asset positions - or the whole company if the price is right!
In so doing I am deliberately trying to sidestep the reliance on "the market" that would otherwise be required. I don't NEED the market to come round to my view of value.....though it would be nice it it did, because that would open up the opportunities for an earlier exit at a fair and fullish price! No....all I NEED is for ONE corporate bidder to agree with me about the value of the company - and to be prepared to pay a fair price for it!
And that is one important reason why I don't worry too much whether the rest of the market "gets the message" - ultimately the results will speak far louder than any words of mine!
ee
OK, I take your point.
Just to develop it a little further: if you're holding a company and your opinion is that it's worth £20 and it's trading at £5, you'll need at least two bidders of similar opinions to ratchet up to the £20-ish mark. Or for "the market" to come round to your view fairly quickly.
Of course, the management may also have a £20 target in mind and refuse to sell below that price even to a single bidder - but who's to say their opinion is right? Worse, what if their opinion is that the company is worth £25, a figure unrealistic not only to the market and bidders, but also to you?
I guess the solution in these sorts of scenarios is to know at what point managers will sell and to believe that they have a realistic figure in mind.
SW10
Yes -fair points. However, if one company is rumoured to be showing an interest then, as we know, such rumours often get out and the market begins to review its operating assumptions. Sadly for investors, one never knows when such an epiphany will occur.
It is, however, always the case that if the market price dramatically undervalues a company, then there is the possibility of them getting taken out "on the cheap" - thanks to the market generally taking the view that "+30%" or so is a decent bid premium. One is therefore reliant to some degree on company management having the sort of clear view that you refer to AND having enough control to fend off unwanted hostile attention. This is a relatively rare situation, in my experience - and certainly is one of the disadvantages of companies being publically listed, because they are allowing their stock to used as a betting chip by those who not only don't know the first thing about the business - but they don't care either! (not saying they are wrong - just pointing out that it is a motivation for companies to stay private)
Well it certainly helps - but there is also a need to know that they are actually trying to make the company attractive to any potential bidder. This is the problem with vast numbers of apparently "value" companies - they can be being run for lifestyle reasons or without any particular aim in mind .......and if that is the case then there is unlikely to be a catalyst for such "drift" to reach a conclusion.
ee
Quite so! I've been puzzled for years about why people seem to think that just because investing seems easy and they appear to get some success they are therefore good at it!
I'm reminded of the Sam Goldwyn/Gary Player maxim: "the harder I work, the luckier I get".
One of the "benefits" of having actually worked in financial trading businesses, is that you get to see an awful lot of very smart people at work - using 6 market screens simultaneously and having very high quality information about market flows, as well as well-reasoned inputs concerning fundamentals. What most people don't appreciate is that there is a very high level of collaboration between all these individuals - the "morning meeting" allows market intelligence to be shared between dozens of smart people, all looking at their own markets in which they are specialists.......
....so, for 99% of "investment opportunities" I take the view that it is tough to beat the market.
Indeed I was discussing this last weekend with a well-known and highly-respected poster on bulletin boards, who seemed to think that the fact that bonds from Bank XYZ were still yielding 11% represented an attractive investment - my view on this was that, more than a year after the liquidity-driven panic, if the bonds were still yielding over 11% after all the smart boys referred to above had been looking at them for a year or more, then there was probably a very good reason for the yield being "so high"!!
I think the only area that the private punter stands a reasoned chance of outperforming in is by doing his own detailed research on companies that the "professional" market doesn't research properly or accurately.....and, even then, there has ultimately to be an "outer" that doesn't rely on the financial market actually coming round to a correct view. The other way a punter may make money is by simply getting lucky....but I guess that is where you came in! ;-)
ee
Maybe, maybe not my view is that in some instances the market can under or over value a company for years. That's one of the reasons i don't do 'shorts' preferring to stick with the investment equivalent of 'beer and wine', undervalued companies.
How come the market can place the correct value on a bank's bonds, but struggle to estimate the worth of an exploration drilling programme of a company like Soco?
There seems some degree of inconsitency here or is the sun getting to me?
repobear
No -not at all.
The answer is simple.
With bonds absolutely everything you need to know about the specific investment is in the prospectus. You can then form a judgement as to the appropriate value. With stocks there is absolutely nothing of any reliable value written, except the opinions of people who may (or, in the case you mention, more commonly may not) have properly researched the situation.
Obviously markets overall will go up and down and take the absolute prices of both assets with them - but the value of bonds is, in normal circumstances, extremely stable and well-understood relative to stocks. Obviously in a panic (as we had in late 2008/early 2009) then babies get thrown out with the bathwater (hence the opportunity in certain types of bonds).....but that situation has long since normalised!
So...no inconsistency. The value of one is transparent and the value of the other is far from it!
ee
I love this quote. Excellent
the stockmarket is a very efficient mechanism for moving money from the pockets of those who think they know a lot but don't to those who know they don't know much.