So, where to go post Dana?
Just thought I'd start off a general thread for discussion of possible alternatives for those who will receive a chunk of cash (from whoever and at whatever price) following the demise of Dana Petroleum Plc (LON:DNX).
I'd start off by arguing that there aren't many Dana lookalikes in the UK. That is reasonably large and liquid stocks with a good combination of strong cashflows, reserves, development opportunities and exploration. There's dozens of high octane exploration plays on AIM but not many in the Dana mould. I wouldn't imagine that many will be looking to roll 0ver into 100% explo stories but may look to put a bit into them.
Secondly I'd argue that more of the Dana look alikes are to be found overseas. Now its harder to research these but it can be done quite easily, especially if there are people willing to share notes...
May I suggest that if people think of an idea or want to expand on one then they should start up a new thread or continue on with the "main" thread of an existing company.
So, without thinking too hard, here's a list of some of my initial thoughts:
In the UK (some may have dual listings):
1. Ithaca Energy Inc (LON:IAE) - very sound finances now after the c$1.70 funding and BoS facility and way down from recent peaks. Dual listed and slightly more liquid over in Canada.
Ithaca Energy Inc (LON:IAE) came pretty close to death till a very good restructuring deal with Dyas was put in place. Now set to push on with developments and generate v strong cashflows in 2/3 yrs (20k bopd+). Would probably make a good acqn for someone (knoc perhaps given dnx gives them a good N Sea presence now). Merger potential too?
Disc - we've now got a good chunk in IAE.
2. Bankers Petroleum (LON:BNK) nominally UK AIM listing but in reality bloody hard to trade over here, espec in size (+kay for say 1k or 2k but even then a big spread).
There's already a thread here on Bankers Petroleum (LON:BNK) so I won't go into it further here. Not really any explo, unless you count the potential upside from the Thermal project - results in next year. Should be sold in 12-18 months I'd say.
Disc - we already have a good chunk of BNK.
3. Circle Oil (LON:COP) - again, a thread here gives the investment proposition. Good and growing cashflow, more to come from Egypt and Morocco with explo in Oman and Tunisia (and Namibia if PetroHolland ever pay up). Following placing its very well funded.
Disc - another one of ours.
4. SOCO International (LON:SIA) - no need to reiterate this one but I suspect most will already have an exposure. Critical period for the company in coming few weeks either making us all very happy, or testing if our theories re core downside protection are right.
5. Cairn Energy Plc (LON:CNE) - not sure if this should be here now that the Vedanta deal has come along. More an explo story now I'd say.
6. Melrose Resources (LON:MRS) - not one that's ever excited me and I don't like the majority ownership situation. Seems to lack critical mass in terms of impact?
7. Northern Petroleum (LON:NOP) - too disappointing for my like with personality problems and now Italian drilling moratorium.
8. Premier Oil (LON:PMO) - probably the most Dana-esq in terms of production, market size, developments and portfolio of explo. Arguably too dnx like for me i.e. bitty.
I think I'll leave it there for now. Thumbs are killing me. Will try to add some overseas names over the next few days.
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Thanks for the heads up...will check it out.
Ah I dont actually have that one on the radar.
Worth taking a look?
Well its either a bargain or a long term dullard - at 60p odd it was clearly in the bargain category but then I'm rather biased .
See ...
http://www.stockopedia.com/content/global-energy-development-ged-a-primer-47685/
Some crazy moves Oil E&P wise so far today.
Great news for Bowleven on Cameroon discovery - up 34%!
Elsewhere:
BPC up 13.4%
Caza up 13.4%
NOP up 15.5%
Pele up 20.5%!
PMG up 9%
and astoundingly
WBN up 75%
Bar PMG and Blvn, little in the way of news out there,,,,
Spec money seems to be chasing resource stocks as well - Gold, Silver.
Crazy days it seems.
You missed GED - up 17%.!
Aside from the fact that its rather leveraged to the oil price I'm sure the GS note helped - valuing it at 157p.
The proverbial curates egg that GS note.
GS note on oil stocks has been posted all over Advfn ..
If you aint seen it ....
http://www.mediafire.com/?5vc4vbeueq8qbv1
Union Securities note from 5th November available here :
http://www.union-securities.com/CMResearchFiles/1_152_International%20Junior%20Oil%20and%20Gas%20Nov%205%202010.pdf
FWIW, they have both Ithaca Energy & Sterling Resources as a 'Strong Buy' with targets of C$3.00 and C$4.00 respectively.
I hold a decent chunk of both, though I have been top-slicing my Ithaca position at the current price and buying a few more Sterling.
Cheers,
Chris
Updated 16 page RBC presentation on international Oil stocks - basically covering Octobers wells and more besides...
http://www.oilbarrel.com/fileadmin/content/pdfs/Brokers_Notes_Oct_10/International%20EP%20October%27s%20Prospects%20Oct%2710.pdf
Excellent!
Worth recalling that Antrim is ISA able. Maybe this is finally the deal that will get them moving again. Some significant upside IMO
B.
Will be interesting to see what get's scheduled for explo, from the Interim Financial Report........
I don't get to see a lot of broker notes and this one on a large universe of oil stocks is the best part of 7 weeks old and has in many cases been overtaken by events.
Nevertheless there are lots of interesting metrics in here - I'm sure some will find it useful.
I quite like exhibit 28 on page 19 .
http://www.oilbarrel.com/fileadmin/content/pdfs/Brokers_Notes_Aug2010/International%20E%26P%20August%27s%20Prospects%20Aug%2710.pdf
Some nice posts here, but sorry chaps and db,
It's still SLG for me.
Rumours of no oil water contact abound and look to be from a reliable source
repo
DYOR research today?
"Rumours", surely you're not selling SLG on rumours are you Repo :-)
Hi Peter,
I was intending to buy some more but was awaiting clearance of funds and arrival from the UK. I don't think the rumour will stop me. The money will be here today. Phew!
This might be of interest to Dana holders and the commentary today and yesterday from Captain NF over on ADVFN.
http://investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=13265&mn=639&pt=msg&mid=9562234
It is close to some Dana acreage. In fact some think that our Cladhan oil has spilled over into that block.
I don't have a clue but my instincts tell me to hang in on there;-)
repobear
I took a wee top up too, and was planning more. Very interesting news this morning. The notification was on 24th, but I understand there was above average volume yesterday - Hedgehog still building?
Anyone know who they are, Google doesn't help much at first glance.... website under construction
http://www.hedgehogcapital.co.za/
How about VPP ? Plenty of cashflow from the Don area 6K-7.5K BOPD and
Successful 'Tybalt' discovery earlier in 2010 which VP have 80%
They are currently drilling the Viola North prospect.
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201008310700568300R
'...The Viola North prospect is a mapped three-way dip and fault controlled structural trap in the Fulmar sand formation and is targeting an estimated gross prospective P90-P50-P10 resource range of 63-111-191 million barrels of oil equivalent. Viola North is located in the Central North Sea, near the producing Janice, Medwin, Clyde and Fulmar fields...'
http://www.valiant-petroleum.com/assets/documents/assetsdocs/000012-10_viola_north_south_prospect.pdf
50% of Viola has been farmed out to Apache with apache paying 75% of well costs
Planty of future explo prosects during 2011 with 'Handcross' a WOS paleocene prospect with P50 resource estimate of 70Mmboe nett
I have recycled the proceeds from the disposal of DNX into 5 other O&G sector stocks which I believe may have the potential to multibag.
MOG - Mediterranean Oil and Gas - the SP has recently been slashed partly as a result of the Italian Govt imposing a ban on the drilling of offshore wells subsequent to the BP disaster in the GOM. This seems to be a knee jerk reaction and one which will be reversed when the fuss dies down. There is a big difference between deep water and shallow water drilling in terms of risk, and Italy still needs oil. This stock should either reverse its nose dive or it becomes vulnerable to a take over. Their only problem is the cash situation.
IAE - Ithaca Energy - covered in some depth elsewhere on stockopedia by DJP.
LGO - Lenigas - I bought in after reading the recent Edison note on the company in which they suggested a value of 7.8p. We currently await news of Hontomin testing in October. Also Ironpyrites on TMF contributed this piece:- http://boards.fool.co.uk/lgo-leni-gas-oil-12046562.aspx?sort=postdate
AST - Ascent - covered elsewhere by JohnnyT which he has championed for some time. Inland well drilling in Slovenia and Switzerland could multiply the depressed SP.
DPL - Dominion Petroleum - Operating in central and west Africa. Lake Albert prospects alone could work wonders for the SP. Long term, offshore Tanzania could be a company changer.
There are others I considered such as NPE, GPX and AEX but I tend to diversify rather than to increase what are already substantial holdings.
icdgyixify
Well I have recycled about a third of my Dana position into Circle Oil (LON:COP) - I liked the Circle story before but didn't want too much of my portfolio exposed to Egypt because of concerns about future instability when Mubarak dies. The other two thirds is still waiting for a home. I hope to get some time this weekend to read up a bit on companies flagged up on the FirstEnergy conference thread..
I have been buying some Sterling, but that is from top slicing my Encore position, rather than Dana money. (nb I know it's all just fungible money, but this seems a simpler way to think of the problem.)
db
Sooner or later I guess there had to be a "serious story" about the recent stellar rise in oil stocks.Pity the obviously overvalued like DES and BOR are being conflated with the likes of Encore NPE and to a lesser extent.RKH
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8b38f5b0-c805-11df-ae3a-00144feab49a.html
A number of big exploration successes, in a packed drilling calendar, have focused investor attention on the sector. The North Sea has enjoyed something of a renaissance in the wake of two big discoveries: Catcher and Cladhan, which analysts estimate could have recoverable reserves of 60m-100m and 70m-90m barrels of oil respectively. A discovery – called Sea Lion – has also been made off the coast of the Falkland Islands that analysts believe could contain recoverable reserves of about 240m barrels.
It is these discoveries that have propelled share prices higher. Encore, which has interests in both the Catcher and Cladhan prospects, has risen more than 600 per cent this year while Nautical Petroleum, which has a stake in Catcher, has climbed by a similar amount. Rockhopper Exploration, holder of the Sea Lion licence, has surged 700 per cent and is now valued at almost £1bn.
Investors seem increasingly to have been blinded by these few big successes.
Consider Desire Petroleum. Even though it has found no oil, the company is still valued at £500m and its shares are up 70 per cent. To justify that valuation Desire needs to find 150m barrels of oil at its other Falkland wells. Similarly, Borders & Southern, which is searching for oil in the deep waters to the south-east of the Falklands, is valued at nearly £400m. Yet it has still to even secure a drilling rig.
EnglishDragon
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You can listen to Niko's presentation at the Global Oil Conference here: http://jetslides.tv/webcasts/7
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Thanks.
Give me a chance repo!! ;-)
The conference is still ongoing.
Imo one very interesting (and $5bn cap) opportunity worth looking at is Niko.
Fag break over. Back to it.
What did I say about opportunity cost on this thread?
They're have been some absolutely stunning runups in prices over the last few days as hot money from one bluesky, or success, story piles into the next.
However anyone interested in making a couple of quid, short and long term, could do worse than listen to the presentation made by SLG yesterday and try to work hrough the implications for Encore and Sterling. The link is a couple of posts back.
Some feedback from DJP, or other attendees, on that and other interesting prospects at the conference might stimulate some useful debate too.
repo
Can't resist posting this - especially the comment about GKP .
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-business/article-23880142-moneysupermarket-enchants-as-140p-bid-talk-gains-strength.do
Gulf Keystone Petroleum rocketed 20.8p to 158.2p on talk that bosses are eyeing a move to the main market in London early next year. Analysts said that this move — which should see it enter the FTSE 250 — would help it to raise more cash. The oil explorer divided opinion with one analyst — convinced the gods of black gold are smiling on the group — saying: “Entry to the FTSE 250 would be great news,” while another said: “I wouldn't advise my granny to put her money in Gulf Keystone, certainly.”
The Falklands explorers were also in demand. Rockhopper Exploration jumped 49¼p to 469¼p as investors applauded news that its oil discovery off the coast of the remote British territory will be commercial. Evolution Securities raised its rating from “neutral” to “add”, and lifted its price target from 359p to 450p in response.
Argos Resources — which has a neighbouring prospect — was up 4p at 42.2p. “These oil stocks are proving very popular indeed,” said one dealer. “I've been busy with these all morning — probably half the trades I've done were in these stocks.”
I see Angelos has sold all his Dana and by virtue of Encore's recent rise it's now his largest holding as of end August.
http://www.junioroils.com/docs/201008_update.pdf
In terms of investment positioning, Junior Oils Trust has enjoyed multiple success in the last two
months. The takeover of Dana Petroleum appears to be nearing a conclusion and we have,
therefore, decided to liquidate the fund’s holding in order that we may re-invest the proceeds into
other opportunities.
Encore Oil grew into the fund’s biggest holding as it rose six times over our
original investment level. Caza Oil & Gas also rose to prominence with its recent discovery in
Texas. We believe that there is some further potential for rerating in our portfolio and we have
also introduced some new holdings at attractive valuation levels. It is the fundamental value of the
fund’s investments that can provide outperformance over the market and the sector as a whole.
Given its isable staus there must be worse ways to take a stake in otherwise non isable small/medium oil co's.
Confess I'm rather tempted (if for no other reason Encore's Cladhan update is as upbeat as we all hope.)
Can we please stop the OT posts?
This is a thread relating to dicussing oprions for reinvestment of Dana proceeds. I can't prune the thread to remove OT posts from the handheld but I'll try it tomorrow during a break at the First Energy conf.
I'm not expressing any favouritism, I just want a pure and On Topic thread.
Thanks.
D
Darron,
What's all this about Sterling saying that Cladhan could be a Magnus oil field analogue? There seems to be a little excitement over the Encore board on ADVFN and the EO. share price has popped a bit, again. If Dana holders can get their money out it must just be worth the option of being able to get on Encore or Sterling should this be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_oilfield
I hope that's sufficiently on topic;-)
repobear
http://jetslides.tv/webcasts/249
Slides 10 and 11 for anyone that might be interested.
repobear
JPGH
I never take anything at face value. I always question and try to understand what is being said. I absolutely hate it when someone tells me something but can't explain their point.
Because it tells me they most likely don't know what they are talking about. Do you not hate it when someone tells you this is the way it is but don't ask me why?
Having worfked in the City for all of my career I can tell you there are lots of overpaid idiots who click buttons on a mouse but have'nt got a clue what is going on. They work on the basis of rules and processes.
I work on the basis of understanding, thinking for myself and I ask loads and loads of questions.
I realised it matters not a jot how well you can carry out a NAV/DCF models, how well you understand the implication of a drill test RNS or new corporate acquisition...etc
Yes I know this. That is why I think one needs to learn how to read the market and understand what the market is telling you. A value investor can buy a value stock and wait for a very long time whilst the stock is dead in the water. Or they can wait for the market to tell them when the stock is ready to go up and then Buy. Who do you think will make more money?
You can have two people with identical stocks, but with very different results in the end.
If it was simply a case of looking at numbers and doing DCF/NAV then loads of accountants would be seriously rich from Investing in shares. But they are not.....
I missed the most blatantly obvious sell signals of them all in late 2007/2008 because I was up my own sefl important arse thinking the Oil & Gas industry was immune to what appeared to me to be a regional US induced housing/bank lending crisis .....
Most people did on TMF. Because most people were happy to listen to 'experts' and invest in a group in the same stocks with similar positons rather then questioning and constanty researching the markets and thinking for themselves. There are no experts, they are only as good as their last trade.
The reality is if there is likely to be a crash then the best course of action to take is to sell up regardless of what material news Soco or any other stock is going to release. Because the truth is in a crash there will be loads and loads of cheap stocks to buy that Soco won't matter anymore............................
My strategy is pretty simple. Massively pile into Mid to Large cap stocks after a crash. Be patient. Be very very patient. Then when it is hard to find good value in large stocks rather then trickle your funds down to the more risky small caps, exit the market and wait for the next crash.....Then repeat this process...
Ever since the begining of time every four years or so there have been decent corrections :
Just a couple of points. I'm not trying to snipe just commenting on the inaccuracies and contradiction which are turning this thread into a farce of the worst kind - please bring in the ignore poster Moderators!
Ever since the begining of time every four years or so there have been decent corrections :
The chart goes back to 1978!
There are no experts, they are only as good as their last trade.
Per post 60 (which has already been reported for disruptive behaviour):
I'm not one of them though, WShak and DJPreston are my two champions....
The reality is if there is likely to be a crash then the best course of action to take is to sell up regardless of what material news Soco or any other stock is going to release. Because the truth is in a crash there will be loads and loads of cheap stocks to buy that Soco won't matter anymore............................
Ah, the wonderful Hindsight.
Tournesolf,
Good post, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think all the points you made are logical and make a lot of sense. But why does'nt the market recognise this? It appears to me that the stocks I mentioned trade at a higher rating then Soco and Dana.
Do you think you would have made more money if you had chosen one of these GKP, HOIL, TLW, CNE and did LTBH rather then Soco/Dana ?
No matter how logical/sensible our stock picks are, the market does'nt care. Maybe the trick is to work out what the market wants to take much higher rather then what we think should be trading at a higher price?
When you look down at the small E+P's that are currently valued at £2-400m i personally question their valuation and think to myself if there was a significant downturn in Oil prices these stocks would trade at a fraction of current market caps.
For me it is very clear the E+P sector is overheated, I think this can remain so for a few more years though. Therefore I think peple should tread more carefully, boom will turn to bust at somepoint, it never is different.
JPGH
Do you ever question how Oil experts on this board missed stocks like GKP, HOIL, TLW, CNE etc ?
I personally do. I tend to ask myself why they favor the likes of Soco/Dana/Aminex etc over the above stocks which have had a significant run on the drill bit. How did they manage to miss these?
The only conclusion I can come to is they have 'special' relationships with the Said companies that they can't get with the likes of GKP, HOIL, TLW, CNE etc.
So it actually does'nt surprise me that some people don't know where to put their Dana money.
There is only two people that can stock pick very well to achieve a high degree of success without having some kind of a strong relationship. I'm not one of them though, WShak and DJPreston are my two champions....
Do you ever question how Oil experts on this board missed stocks like GKP, HOIL, TLW, CNE etc ?
What on earth are you talking about Isaac? Who are these experts to which you refer? Are they the ones who backed oil stocks back in the dark days of $12 oil whilst you were having your nappy changed ?
;-)
Isaac, you ask why people who have favoured Soco and Dana have missed GKP, HOIL, TLW, CNE. You are making some quite unjustified assumptions here.
Speaking for myself, I've made very good money trading/investing in each of GKP, HOIL, TLW, CNE. However I regarded those companies as less interesting for LTBH strategies than SIA and DNX.
1) I was in GKP early. I followed my usual practice of speaking with management directly. As events unfolded I came to the view that I simply did not trust management, I had no confidence in them and I didn;t like the political and security risks where they operate. And I was suspicious of the ETAMIC deal. I sold at a good profit when my nose started to twitch.
2) HOIL has eventually made money out of Uganda but it seems far from clear what they are going to do with it next. And I'm not 100% comfortable with a management run by ex-mercenaries. A good special situation trade but not a good LTBH. I sold at the recent peak when the Uganda deal was concluded.
I regarded both GKP and HOIL as high risk because they were/are exposed to situations whch, in my risk assessment days, I would have described as single-point-of-failure risk. ie All their eggs were/are in a single basket and a single event could have wiped them out. That made them unsuitable for substantial investment. OK for small punts perhaps but not substantial investments.
3) CNE delivered good returns for people who invested before the Rajasthan discoveries. Or for that matter those like me who bought in the market at 8 am on the morning of the first RNS which reported drilling success.(Thanks to a helpful Fool who reported the story carried in the Singapore Times a couple of hours before the RNS was issued in the UK!!!). But the SP plateaued and went sideways. I sold when that plateau became established and most of the value from Rajasthan had been captured. Incidentally I found that speaking with management worked well.
4) TLW was a more interesting case study. I did detailed research on TLW years ago and came to the conclusion that I didn't like their business model - too much focus on scale as opposed to quality - too many acquisitions - too many scrappy assets - too many staff - utterly byzantine organisation structure - operational management style very bureaucratic. etc etc . What happened was that they threw the dice and came up with a double six - Uganda and Ghana. I reckon there was as much good luck as good judgement and their success surprised even themselves. However, the good news has swamped my reservations, as happens when things come right. I do like Ghana very much but I remain much less sanguine about Uganda. I think that the political shenanigans which we see in U are capable of overturning the apple cart. And I remain to be convinced that an overland pipeline will prove secure and effective. I made a good return in the early days of G and U but took profits. The size of the company makes it inherently less able to deliver the sort of growth that the likes of Dana and Soco can/could. Put simply it is harder for a £5 billion company to discover enough oil to double in size than it is for a £1 billion co.
Soco and Dana are/were quite different from the above in my view. Firstly they were much less exposed to single-point-of -failure risk - it would be difficult to imagine a single event wiping them out. Secondly, their management teams/approach appealed to me. Third their size was just right. Big enough to get things done. Small enough that exploration/development could boost the SP substantially. In my opinion both companies were in the sweet spot in terms of risk/reward and that distinguished them from the four you mention. My convictions were sufficiently strong that I felt able to hold 60% of my portfolio in Dana for some years. When Soco entered my radar I rebalanced over along period to a 30-30 position. There is no way I would have contemplated such large positions in your four for the reasons cited above.
And that's the point isn't it? Because I felt comfortable investing 30% in each of Dana and Soco that wa's more useful to me than 5% in GKP or HOIL. And the long term return was much better than the shorter term returns from TLW and CNE.
Isaac - what was your point again?
Do you ever question how Oil experts on this board missed stocks like GKP, HOIL, TLW, CNE etc ?
I personally do. I tend to ask myself why they favor the likes of Soco/Dana/Aminex etc over the above stocks which have had a significant run on the drill bit. How did they manage to miss these?
Rather than banging on about this what have you been contributing to the ether?
JPGH
Do you ever question how Oil experts on this board missed stocks like GKP, HOIL, TLW, CNE etc ?
Isaac,
maybe it was as a result of late night boredom but I think you are being a tad antagonistic here, again, towards the "Experts on this board" (presumably you mean Stockopedia). Before Stockopedia there was plenty of discussion/analysis over on TMF on merits/ Pros/cons of these companies throughout their full genesis from tiddler to FTSE 100/250 status (yes, even CNE, if you care to go back in the TMF annals).
I dont question the "experts" much, I just read them and use their opinions/market observations/analysis as a guide only to help form my own rationale for buying/holding/adding/selling/top slicing a stock or to form opinion of general trend in the sector or general market. I used to arrogantly regard myself as an expert in the O&G sector on basis of my job as an engineer within "the Industry" but after some pretty significant losses in 2008 I realised it matters not a jot how well you can carry out a NAV/DCF models, how well you understand the implication of a drill test RNS or new corporate acquisition...etc I missed the most blatantly obvious sell signals of them all in late 2007/2008 because I was up my own sefl important arse thinking the Oil & Gas industry was immune to what appeared to me to be a regional US induced housing/bank lending crisis .....and I ignored the general warning signs until it was too late. Even then I was catching falling knives trying to call the bottom ...etc. Luckily I didn't panic too much and held tight my core and started adding/rebuilding positions late in 2008 and managed to recoup all 2008 losses during an eventful 2009. The experts here/there did same so it was a great comfort to know I was in good company.
So to answer your question no I dont question "the experts", I dont need to/want to. I often scroll quickly down through the posts of "the experts" muttering to myself "Jesus! not another Soco TGD post, AEX Wilcox chin stroking or DNX Hedge fund/CFD conspiracy theory post" but it is mainly as a result of my frustration with the limited time I have available (with work/family ...etc) to read all the BB posts here, ADVFN, TMF, iii that I need to get through in addition to links, RNSs and portfolio tracking/monitoring that I need to do to stay on top of things ..... but I have enormous respect for "the experts" and for most other posters who go to the trouble of putting together a decent thought provoking post (you do a few decent posts yourself at times amidst the other stuff). All expert advise, opinion will help me make money and on occasion I add back some value input of my own or give glimpses of my portfolio in case anyone is interested.
Maybe a bit less goading and more quality posting is what is called for here.
JPGH
SW10
its fair to say that my initial GKP investment was fairly small (got in at approx 10p using profits earned from a decent sized punt/lucky gamble on Sibir Energy earlier on that in 2009).....but took fright when GKP 50p so quickly in Aug 2009 and top sliced 50% but have been adding on dips (added quite a few at 75-85p range). I haven't sold any since Aug 2009. Its not everyone cup of tea (nor was Sibir for that matter, I recall being a small minority there also, I have an affinity for companies with lets say "a bit of previous").
I am hopeful that GKP will go under the hammer in 2011 and the upcoming news pipeline is very promising (Akri Bijeel sidetrack and drill test results, Shaikan-2 sidetrack flow test, Shaikan-3, Shaikan-1 extended well test, Sheikh Adi drill....etc). It costs next to nothing to get oil out of ground in Kurdistan, PSA terms are severe but still profitable. Politics in Iraq looks to be better/more stable than it was in early 2010 and with GKP now approaching the £1b mark I guess GKP board will have to tread carefully if they are to attract the big oil bidders to offer >£4/sh that will probably be required to prise these out of hands of holders. Hopefully no more dilutions.
There are possible downsides but I am confident that at least the oil (and lots of it) is there....which is a major plus these days.
JPGH
After a recent portfolio clean up (including a 15% trimming of Tullow holding, spending my POL 3p dividend) I sold all DNX which was a significant % of portfolio and have recycled proceeds mainly into EO with some also into BP.
For those interested portfolio looks as follows.
Gulf Keystone (GKP) 22.8%
Tullow Oil (TLW) 20.1%
Soco (SIA) 15.6%
Encore Oil (EO.) 9.2%
BG Group (BG) 8.1%
BP (BP) 5.2%
Nautical Petroleum (NPE) 3.3%
Aminex (AEX) 3.0%
Bankers Petroleum (BNK) 2.3%
Regal Petroleum (RPT) 1.5%
Polo Resources(POL) 0.9%
Circle Oil (COP) 0.8%
Kryso Resources(KYS) 0.5%
Caledon Resources (CDN) 0.4%
Antrim Energy (AEY) 0.3%
Cove Energy (COV) 0.2%
Allied Irish Bank (ALBK) 0.1%
Cash 2.9%
Managed Funds 2.8%
Total 100.0%
Some more tidying up in next few weeks should see me increase holdings in BNK, POL, BP, COV and reduce/eliminate holdings AEX, AEY, RPT. Regal have been my “Falcon Oil” investment of 2010 (every year I usually pick a complete dud), when I rather rashly jumped in and am paying dearly for the lack of DYOR on this one.
Having missed the early easy gains in Falkland Islands stuff, XEL…etc I have stubbornly refused to buy in when in hindsight there were still easy gains to be made. Cest la vie....
My watchlist include various non O&G high yielders and PTR, ENQ. I am struggling though to find the enthusiasm to invest other or new LSE listed O&G compaes to invest in…which measits probably time to broaden my investment horizons by getting a foreign dealing account or to move more out of O&G comfort zone.
JPGH
Hi JPGH,
This might not be a comment that adds much value; I'd just say that for a portfolio that's quite so wide I find it quite striking how much you have concentrated in GKP.
Natuarally you don't have to answer the question, but I'm wondering what proportion you bought and how much has been 'earned' through growth? Have you ever top-sliced it?
SW10
I think Lundin is worth adding to the list - but the timing is perhaps wrong - it has just announced a discovery
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-17/lundin-soars-on-significant-oil-discovery-near-luno-field.html
and the shares have soared by 15% this morning.
It is a mid cap, which expetcs to triple its production to 100,000 barrels a day within 4 years. Unlike Dana the shares are relatively tightly held - around 30% owned by Lundin family trusts.
Strange, I sold 19 August also, for the same reason as mangotree. Had been in for many years.
Bought BNK (thanks for the earlier heads up djp!) & (more) CTP, & also kept some cash.
Both looking good in comparison so far, particularly CTP.
Just looking through all these posts I can't see any mention of the Falkland oilers.
Of course its all high risk and some of these companies other than RKH seem to me to be quite fully valued already (DES in particular IMV) but if the Sea Lion flow test for RKH comes up trumps in a few weeks time I'd expect to see all the NFB companies rerated and on the back of that the plays in the southern basin getting some sympathetic backwash.
Mention of a barbel approach has been mentioned.
For myself I topped on BG this morning - a real long term hold for me for its many prospects and coupled it with a small purchase of ARG - Argos resources.
The latter seems to me to me to be heavily leveraged to a decent Sea Lion test given its rel. low mkt cap - I expect it to run away if the flow test is as hoped for.
There is a slight hint of something confessional about this thread, so I'll get on my knees now and own up to my own sins both venial and mortal.
Over the past 10-12 years I've made a lot from Dana. I originally bought in at about 120p and my core long term holding averaged out at 150p. In the 10-12 years since there have been 3 ocasions when I've sold all/most of my holding before re-entering at much lower prices. The effect of LTBH combined with this occasional topslicing and re-entry has been to deliver a compound annual return of approximately 28% pa over a 10-12 year period. My holding in Dana has sometimes been as high as 60% of my total portfolio. In recent years it has been closer to 30%.
I went 100% into cash a few months ago to protect against the risk of another major financial tremor. (Thanks to that decision I have been spared the terrible fate of making an absolute fortune from my previously large holding in EO.) When I sold up I sold everything including my ultra long term holding in Dana. I was in the early stages of rebuilding that holding when KNOC came along.
In the past few months I have been dripping money back into stocks as and when the price/risk/reward has looked attractive.
My portfolio currently comprises holdings as follows:-
Aminex - 1.5% (thank you EE)
BP - 5.5% (thank you Barrack)
Caledon - 1.5% (thank you Marben)
Dana - 8% (thank you TC)
Europa (EOG) - 1.5% (from an original idea of Marben I seem to recall)
Nautical - 2% (Thank you carmensfella for organising mello x2)
Petroceltic - 1%
Soco - 19% (thank you EE)
Sterling - 3% (Thank you Wshak)
Xcite - 4% (Thank you Oilbarrel)
Cash - 53% (Thank you LR and BB and AP - private joke)
Of the above everything except EOG is showing a very healthy profit.
I would be happy to add to any of the above holdings if the conditions look right - price vs newsflow vs valuation vs risk.....
my watch list is rather long but the most likely candidates include :
BEZ
COP
ENQ
KAH
KYS
MML
PMG
PMO
Is anyone else going to confess to selling up and moving on?
Or selling up with a view to either to either, sitting on the cash, because of macro economic fears, or whilst they consider alternatives?
It's Dday for most. Or are you content for your Dana cash to be locked away for several weeks, so that you´re guaranteed to keep your powder dry.
repobear
Is anyone else going to confess to selling up and moving on?
Well if you like I’ll join in the fun.
I sold at 1713p on 19th August thinking that the upside to 1800p from here was only about 5% and that there were better opportunities elsewhere. Of course I knew that if a bidding war were to break out I might have a few regrets but I didn’t think that was very likely.
On the same day I recycled all the funds into Xcite, which is up about 30% since then! But more importantly I think Xcite still has a long way to go yet…..and I might have made the move anyway sooner or later.
MT
Mid Herts
Dragon is interesting especially in the light of what has happened to Dana. This is the exact opposite. Independent directors recommended the bid from the majority shareholder but a couple of determined institutions meant that it did not succeed. Probably I should have sold more when it spiked early in the year but it was not convenient. I am not a buyer at current levels but unless good alternatives appear I am happy to wait a while because I think that some sort of corporate action will take place. Meanwhile the majority shareholder is a good one to have in relation to where its field is and there is a very comforting cash pile.
I wouldn't agree that the ENOC bid for Dragon was "an exact opposite" of Dana-KNOC.
First, it wasn't just 'determined institutions' who were responsible for the bid failing, but the fact that what appears to have been an overwhelming majority of PIs simply felt that the bid was way too low.
Secondly, ENOC already had over 50 per cent - what was remarkable about this failed attack is that, given that, ENOC still failed, though they clearly were very keen indeed to get their hands on the remainder, whether for the cash pile or to turn DGO wholly into the Dubai government's overseas E & P company. There could NOT have been any potential competition for ENOC - unlike the Dana case (even if, ultimately, it seems as though one isn't going to appear).
I would agree that I think that some sort of corporate action will take place, although I'm far from convinced that this will necessarily be wholly in the interest of the non-ENOC shareholders, and, in that sense, I wouldn't agree that the majority shareholder is a good one to have.
Once the Dubai Government has decided what it wants to do with regards to setting up its own E & P arm, whether through a bid, much higher, for the rest of DGO or by starting again, then the shares will no doubt get re-rated. But the Dubai Government doesn't seem, at the moment, to have much in the way of spare cash to make a move.
Worth watching, definitely, and there may, of course, be a surprise new offer from ENOC or some kind of deal between ENOC and another party (a state oil company, perhaps), but I have no rgrets at having sold out a year or so ago, just beneath the level of the ENOC offer.
Not that I have any real (new) suggestions to make as to where Dana proceeds could be put, for those that have/will have them.
Man Siarad
In all honesty enjoying this thread tremendously at present - long may it continue.
SB
Ithaca could have been a fantastic company until the credit crunch, directors squandered money, paid themselves very well and nearly went Oilexco
22,000 million bopd targeted for Athena next year, but since the credit crunch and the sell off to Dyas Ithaca only have a 22% interest and therefore just 4950 bopd net and proved/probable reserves just 5.49 mmbbls net to Ithaca for Athena
The company are doing their best to keep production up from Jacky/Beatrice/Bravo, but are loosing the battle as production is down 2800bopd net since start up. Beatrice needs $75 oil to be commercial, hence the importance of Jacky which brought the threshold down to $10/15 per barrel. As Jacky tails off the running costs go up
In terms of reserves Xcite Energy (XEL) is the one for me, once reserves are proven XEL could be the third largest independent operator in the N/sea
Over the past 10 years I have often wondered whether a more focused approach of the sort advocated by ee would have been better than a mixture of losses and gains.
Judging by the list ee has given it seems as if there have been a fair number of losers promoted on TMF and I'd count myself as having t-shirts from a number of them.
Though I'd rank myself firmly as one of the people at the back of the class - I would say that the quality of posts on various BBs has meant that my losses on the Falcons of the world have been more than mitigated by gains in stocks such as Heritage (which started off life on the TSE).
And the recent experience with Encore has meant that I am now firmly of the opinion that losing money on the FRRs of the world is just an entrance fee to having a sizeable position on the EOs of this world.
I don't get involved too much in the more heavily 'promoted' companies on TMF.
-So are you making up for lost time with SLG? ;-#)))
We all have different circumstances and holdings. I start from a present oil related portfolio listed below. Shares were bought at different prices from those ruling now and I intend no recommendation. I will start with the smallest as 1 unit and proceed from there:
Heritage 1 unit (just paid a special dividend also awaiting investment)
Salamander 1.3 units
Hunting 1.7 units
JKX 2.3 units
Faroes 2.6 units
BP 2.8 units
Tullow 3.7 units
Dragon 3.9 units
Dana 5 units
Soco 7.3 units
Frankly, I am on the wall of worry with most of my oil holdings...but it has been a good wall to worry on so far. Still I start by asking myself the question "is it time to go elsewhere?"
If I am to stay in oil I would prefer not to expand my number of holdings much if at all so I have thought about what I have now.
Brief comments
Heritage - an enigma. Well cashed up and looks to have a good find in Kurdistan but how things will play out just isnt clear to me. Shrewd man in charge though
Salamander - rather unlucky with exploration but I was more pleased with the Bualong deal for them than for Soco
Hunting - not strictly oil in the same sense. The remains of a larger holding which did me very well.
JKX - a steady performer for me. I am hopeful of performance at their Russian acreage. Thinking more about this one
Faroes - already increased my stake here from other funds. Obviously very dependant on continuing discoveries but I like the spread of assets.
BP - Ah well.
Tullow - a very good performer but I would like to see present issues resolved.
Dragon - another enigma. But this was one where institutions said the bid was low ball. Presumably they expect another attempt when possible? My stake is enough for me and I reduced it on a spike well over the bid price in the spring.
Dana - Obviously it would be nice to get more but the price represents a good return so I am happy with that. Hard to see it getting any closer to top dollar
Soco - Hopefully the Vietnam well will test OK. Congo? Overall, I think I am plenty weighted but will wait with fingers crossed.
Others
Ithaca - quite small although they look more attractive in their new incarnation. I want to think about in comparison with Enquest.
Encore - pleased for holders but I think I am late to the party now
Sterling - not very keen on a non UK quoted stock though I see the case, a fair bit of which is is now in the open.
Someone said, I think, that it would be nice to avoid political risk. Where might that be?? I guess there is political, geological and specific risk everywhere. I would like the debate to continue on how best to position portfolios to achieve the best risk/reward balance.
MH
Hello MH,
That is a very good question indeed, especially with people queuing* up to offer a range of explo situations as "the next big thing"
*repo is a bit like the funny lad in the school photo panorama....he keeps running round to the back of the queue to have another go ;-)
I'm interested to see your list - partly because they fall neatly into two groups for me: SOCO, Dana(RIP),Faroes, BP, Tullow are in one group - I have no trouble seeing the case for them. The others I struggle with.
That is actually quite an interesting question. If you go back to 1998/9, Vietnam was widely considered to be unacceptable "bongoland" by large chunks of the market - but the reality is that the political and operating environment there has been enormously stable!
Contrast that with the UK - where taxes were twice raised on North Sea oil operations. Or with the US, where the President and his acolytes dumped all over "British Petroleum" in an attempt to deflect blame from lax regulation and have flip-flopped over environmentally-sensitive drilling.
My general view is that there are some places where the political risks continue to be less than perhaps the market believes them to be....including Vietnam, Tanzania, Cuba and, bizarrely, North Korea (because the market expectations in that case are effectively zero). And there are a few where the market correctly sees stability - Norway, Greenland (probably), Canada, New Zealand and perhaps Brazil. [nb...these are just the first few to come to mind in each case). There are another group that may well be over-rated by the market.
I continue to favour those countries that may be more stable than the market thinks, and avoid those where the premium for perceived stability may be too high. And I think that, in general, international strategic asset buyers will try to do the same thing....so that, longer term, there is some political underpinning that may compensate for other risks.
I suspect that my approach will be to have core positions in relatively stable companies generally operating in relatively stable locations....and I will probably try to continue with a mix of having 80% of so of E&P assets in larger companies and relatively small proportions in the minnows. I don't think the current environment is likely to reward those who take big risk positions and so I'm pretty sure I'll be gradually diversifying my portfolio, including outside the E&P sector.
FWIW
Hello ee
Thanks for your response. I am not much into this italics thing so will just continue in conversational mode since I am sure you are well aware of what you said.
I just want to emphasise that in giving a list of my current holdings I was merely trying to say that the decision implicit in the title of this thread was portfolio based for me. I certainly wasn't trying to encourage you or anyone else to buy any of these shares at todays levels. Some might be worth proper research but that is very much a topic for individuals in relation to their own circumstances. As it happens, I was very happy to see that about half were not favoured by you since this provokes me to think about my own rationale in continuing to hold shares which in every case were purchased at lower levels.
What I try to do is purchase shares in companies which offer me an an asymetric balance between reward and risk (taken within the context of my portfolio). I dont always succeed and my fingers still tingle at a couple of thankfully small positions at the lower end of the scale which went wrong and were dropped. As a result I am now much more aware of the need to go for companies of some substance rather than those which have to succeed with a small (perhaps only one) number of projects.
Briefly ( as a memo to myself rather than any encouragement to you to change your mind)
Heritage has already returned more than 30% of my original stake as a dividend but still stands at a small profit. At its present scale in my portfolio I see it as a case where potential rewards are very hard to pin down with any certainty but risk is mitigated by its cash holding. Sooner or later I will have to take a view because it isnt really a big enough holding post the return
Salamander hasn't set the world on fire with its exploration but encouragingly hasn't suffered too much from this. I think this suggests some patient shareholders and if it does succeed with one of its projects it might do well. I do not see any more political risk here than in some of the areas you favour
Hunting is a special case which has served me very well from its original purchase at levels much lower than now ruling. I have been pleasantly surprised by its resilience this year
JKX is an interesting case. I think I have read that you do not much like Russian/Ukrainian risk. Still one has to consider where the resources are and I am comforted by managements long experience in the area and some chunky local shareholdings. Happy with where I am and one of my better candidates for more if it does not run away from me before I am ready.
Dragon is interesting especially in the light of what has happened to Dana. This is the exact opposite. Independent directors recommended the bid from the majority shareholder but a couple of determined institutions meant that it did not succeed. Probably I should have sold more when it spiked early in the year but it was not convenient. I am not a buyer at current levels but unless good alternatives appear I am happy to wait a while because I think that some sort of corporate action will take place. Meanwhile the majority shareholder is a good one to have in relation to where its field is and there is a very comforting cash pile.
However, the real problem is that I am finding it difficult to discern opportunities of the kind which I like. Of course with the benefit of hindsight it would have been nice to have been in Encore and I am pleased for those who were. I very much think that there was a time when the reward was asymetric to the risk. It did after all trade around net cash for a time and although Catcher was a bit of an outlier in terms of probability it was an opportunity missed by me. I cant see that I would have taken a major position though.
I was interested to have your list of areas where you thought political risk was acceptable (or perhaps overstated) It looks as if I shall have to do more research because nothing is leaping into my mind or unless I am missing it evident on this thread
Regards
MH
Hello MH,
Well I think we all try to do that really....but it is my feeling that it is very much more difficult to do that in todays market than it has been over the last 10 years. I think returns are generally going to be (much) lower and they are also going to be riskier and more unpredictable. Therefore I suspect I will be weighting more heavily the relatively solid liquid stocks and restricting the size of my exposures to more speculative situations.
Sadly the demise of Dana is another nail in the coffin for a more FTSE250 approach, IMO.
I have a few thoughts, but I'm not prepared to share them here as yet. They won't be anything "new" though - and price will be an important factor if I decide to enter any of them. I think there is a fair chance of some severe market volatility ahead and so I am mostly focused on situations which have the potential to crystallise in months rather than years (eg SOCO)....though I don't doubt that other opportunities will emerge from time to time and perhaps it will be a good idea to sit on some cash for a while and pick them off from time to time
FWIW
ee
On the Canadian topic, Ithaca hasn't done too badly either........didn't hold, just watched the story unfold.
And funnily AEY got mentioned earlier as I was starting to turn my attention towards them, I think their time will arrive in the next 6 months or so.
I was glad when they reduced their stake & financial commitment in Causeway as IIRC it might be a bit more compartmentalised than owners initially thought.
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=20100304143002M0679
So that leaves them with Fyne as their primary focus. This from 2Q report:
and a reasonably healthy financial status* leads me to believe these are due a re-rating (to recover some of the 85% from peak) once some of the deals click into place for Fyne.
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=20100813070002M8682
Re Antrim - after getting my fingers burned with this one in 2008/9 I recently got back in after the Blakeney find by Wintershall (75% with SLG 25% .)
http://www.energy-pedia.com/article.aspx?articleid=141397
As the map indicates Fyne & Dandy is fairly adjacent (as Peter West might have said) to Blakeney and one wonders post Blakeney whether Wintershall might be interested in partnering Antrim on it and in the greater Fyne area.
There was a Q/A on Antrim recently here .
http://www.grayshares.co.uk/graysinvestmentbloguk/
SB: Antrim has been in discussions with potential industry partners to develop Fyne. These discussions have progressed in a positive manner and it is our intention to identify (ideally) an industry partner prior to year end 2010.
GW: You also state in your Q2 report that drilling will not begin on the Greater Fyne area until an industry partner has been brought in for the main Fyne block, but if you do not gain a partner by the year end, what effect will this have on your plans for the development of Fyne, and the drilling of the Greater Fyne area?
SB: It is Antrim’s intention to drill on Greater Fyne in 2011. Ideally we will have announced a deal around the development of the initial Fyne discoveries. The prospects on Greater Fyne are attractive potentially adding more than 100 million barrels of resources net to our interest. We may elect to drill some very low risk wells offsetting existing oil discoveries acquired at the 25th Round.
Not much new there really but maybe the Blakeney find might be some kind of catalyst.
Blakeney details..
http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article227479.ece
Hedgehog Capital LLC and parties have increased their interested in Antrim to 24.97% from 15.45% previously.
Today's RNS:
http://www.investegate.co.uk/article.aspx?id=20100928070010M4323&fe=1
Previous RNS:
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=20100127151611M9144
I've topped up my holding when oilretire and ohisay highlighted the Blakeney field closeness to Antrim's Fyne/Dandy discoveries and the Greater Fyne acreage. Antrim (AEY) were up 16% at one stage yesterday if I recalled correctly.
Well, the farmout deal didn't take too long and we now know Premier Oil have taken the bait and farmed into Antrim's Fyne area now :)
http://www.antrimenergy.com/news/press-release.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy50aGVwcmVzc3JlbGVhc2V3aXJlLmNvbS9jbGllbnQvYW50cmltX2VuZXJneS9yZWxlYXNlX3htbC5qc3A/YWN0aW9uRm9yPTEzMzExMzY=
I like this statement especially:
Regarding the farmout terms:
All looking quite cosy isn't it with Premier ,Wintershall ,Sterling and Encore all having biggish stakes in the area.
http://www.energy-pedia.com/article.aspx?articleid=141397
repo it was me (amongst others) who posted about it being isable on advfn. Note that Barclays won't allow it, but selftrade will, ee will be pleased to hear!
Hi haiderali,
''repo it was me (amongst others) who posted about it being isable on advfn. Note that Barclays won't allow it, but selftrade will, ee will be pleased to hear!''
LOL, he's doing a pretty stirling job at being less than convinced to date. If he ever gets past the "But I don't like Dutch women'' stage and starts to get her kit off he might change his mind;-) But he's too busy with that Scottish lass for now.
repo
Hi Tournesol,
I think I'm much more intersted in making money than scoring points which I was why I kept coming back. As an economist I knew from an early age about opportunity cost. However It would seem that some Dana holders don't.
I've said enough now. The gym beckons.
Enjoy the next four weeks.
repobear
Hi ee,
I've tried to be constructive earlier in this thread but that one must have passed under your radar and under the radar of people who've given the thumbs down too..
There's enough info in that post for anyone with some nous to begin their own research into what I consider is an excellent prospect but I don't want to be accused of ramping again.
There are others though. Soco and FPM, but the materiality is not so great, although FPM may be comparable with a truly great result at AM. The chances of that are however far lower than Cladhan, although both will be known before Dana holders get their money should the bid succeed.
repobear
No - not at all. I've rec'd about half the posts in this thread....some of them positively ;-))
I just didn't have anything that I wanted to add to the debate.
As I see it, there are a small number of "punt" candidates, and a couple of "bankers". I'm either already in the "bankers" or I'm not expecting them to rush away.....and the same is probably true of most of my "punt" candidates (FPM perhaps being an exception). And I actually think there is quite a good case for keeping some powder dry for a few months, especially from a macroeconomic perspective..
Last Thursday you wrote in post 16:
I note that Encore is now 91p mid, up 1.5p today.....and Dana is about 1% lower. Not much in it, IMO!
And I'd also note that there are still a few days in which there is the potential (albeit now becoming a longshot) of a better bid for Dana. I don't think it is an open-or-shut case either way and people should surely be able to make up their own minds without abuse?
Clearly those like Darron who piled in for the bid arb at £14 or so are happy to exit slightly early and move on again - but, as Darron suggested in his header, obvious alternatives to a Dana holding are rather thin on the ground, unless one wants to switch into purer explo stories. I suspect I will eventually go for a barbell approach with a couple of large "safe" holdings and 4-5 small punts.
ee
I suspect I will eventually go for a barbell approach with a couple of large "safe" holdings and 4-5 small punts.
Morning ee
I suspect that this is what most people will be doing. There really is a dearth of options over here in the UK - PMO would, I guess, be one of the most obvious "big" dana like plays - CNE will be interesting but its a supercharged explo play now, Greenland and a huge wodge of cash with nothing to work on yet. That requires (IMO) a huge bet of faith by potential holders. Otherwise you are looking at the more "punty" type plays or the smaller producers with explo and accept any limitations on liquidity and rampability. Thats why Im more orientated to the overseas players.
Yes, I know I havent done much on the thread with regard to new ideas , especially from overseas - Im somewhat tied up at the moment with a special project but hope to be able to do something as time (and family) allow.
Looks like Angelos will be having the same problem/"opportunity" in his Junior Oils trust.
http://www.trustnet.com/Factsheets/Factsheet.aspx?fundcode=QMF29&univ=U
% of portfolio.end of July 2010
DANA PETROLEUM PLC 10.30 1
PREMIER OIL 8.90 2
DRAGON OIL 5.10 3
ENCORE OIL 5.00 4
BOWLEVEN 4.70 5
ENTEK ENERGY 4.10 6
AMERISUR RESOURCES 3.50 7
PA RESOURCES AB 2.80 8
QUESTERRE ENERGY 2.80 9
REGAL PETROLEUM 2.80 10
Hi ee,
When I wrote 'Wakey Wakey ' about Encore there was clearly something afoot. At first I thought it was a takeover, but I concluded that it was probably driven by Cladhan so, on Friday I swapped another chunk of Encore at 93p average into Sterling Resources, which I believe has both better longer, and short term prospects.
The stunning result on Monday made that look not too bad a call, even if the market reaction on both stocks looks a little muted. I've said on ADVFN what I believe to be correct about the likely impact of further success and the relative valuations of both companies. In essence my view is that a 200mn bbl gross find is priced in already with Encore. Much,much less ,if anything, is is in the price at SLG and the impact of any bigger find is much bigger at Sterling.
At 90p Encore still does,imv, look a better bet to make money in the coming weeks than DNX. However it will require a find in excess of 200mn bbl at Cladhan, or further success on Catcher, or a bid or news, even;-) of the gas storage, to bring that about..I'm more confident about those factors adding value to Encore prior to it being bought than about any short term prospects, however.
Sterling looks a far better bet. The market waking up to the result at Blakeney would be a start, then Cladhan doesn't look too shabby with some people thinking 400mn bbl OIP might just happen, news on Romania is overdue, but might never happen.
I could go on but I've 'ramped' this piece of Canadian 'shit' to the rafters and we all know what the reslt was the last time that happened. It's even got a piece of a similar sort of that action in Europe;-)
http://boards.fool.co.uk/sterling-and-france-12038858.aspx?sort=whole
''Now where have I heard of a small Canadian company drilling for unconventional oil in mainland Europe before ;-)
For those who plan to be in Sterling for some time and I count myself in that group, it will be interesting to see how this progresses.''
Well I'm with you too IronPyrites, which might make my 'ramping' less suspicious;-)
His previous piece on Romanaia was a credit to him and might bring some credence to my efforts.
http://boards.fool.co.uk/sterling-and-romania-12037904.aspx?sort=whole
repobear
Hi repo,
Yes I'd agree with most of that. However, the question I have is why SLG should appear to be cheap. How much of the stock is held by Cannucks?
Well if one takes the understandable view that Dana will do nothing, then obviously any positive news would make Encore a better bet. I'd guess the odds of that are now better than a Dana counter - though there is also more downside risk.
The track record of Canadian-listed companies operating in Europe isn't that great. Not only have we had F-blank, but also Oilexco. Antrim also hasn't covered itself in glory and is now back where it started, some 85% down from its peak. I don't like Romania either..... so I'm not feeling compelled as yet.
cheers
ee
Hi ee,
'The track record of Canadian-listed companies operating in Europe isn't that great. Not only have we had F-blank, but also Oilexco. Antrim also hasn't covered itself in glory and is now back where it started, some 85% down from its peak'.
But SLG has a decent track record. I refer you to this little snippet again,
http://boards.fool.co.uk/as-someone-who-has-been-critical-of-slg-at-times-12029757.aspx
''As someone who has been critical of SLG at times here is my bottom line. Their geo-science team, and a ver small team it is, has done the following. They successfully drilled and appraised Breagh as operators to the tune of over 100 mmboe (probably over 1 TCF of gas in fact) before farming it down and transferring operatorship to RWE. They successfully drilled and appraised, again as operator, an old Enterprise Oil discovery in the Black Sea (Romanian waters) and some now believe that the block has as much or even more than 100 mmboe (gas and oil). They are looking to farm it down and transfer operatorship to Melrose. They have just recently and are still in the progress of delineating their third very large discovery in the last few years at Cladhan. It is speculated to be another 100 mmbo+ possible field. Add in the fact that they were shrewd enough to farm in on the recent Wintershaal Blakney discovery drill and you are left with the following insofar as I am concerned. Who would you want to wager a few pounds on with regard to drilling commercial and in fact commercially large discoveries if not these guys?? One wonders what they will do in the coming years for an encore (no pun intended).
As an investor and as a person, I like to think I try to judge each case/person on merit. Just because I happen to think that most Dutch women are outspoken,grasping, materialistic #####es, doesn't, to my mind, mean they're all like that,.Although some initial wariness is probably well advised.
As regards Dana, I can only refer you to my recent comments and say I am less confident today, and will, most likely, be even less confident tomorrow.
TMFers hold around 2% to date from a poll this week. I presume Cannucks hold most of the rest.
Why is the stock so cheap? Well I really don't know, but did see a post on a Canadian bulletin board that suggested everyone had lost interest as a result of the Romanian delays and that it was a perfect opportunity for buying, I don't know what those people will do if the Romanian deal ever gets signed off by the new government. Continue ignoring it I suppose. This was I believe before the good news on Blakeney and Cladhan, but still would seem to be the case.
What I don't get is why you, of all people, should worry about why the market ascribes little value to the company? Did this bother you when you first bought Soco or Dana? I could go on, but I've earned enough neg recs today;-)
I've heard that it's ISAble too, but that was on ADVFN haha. Not that excluding potential investments for purely tax reasons ever helped anyone make money.
cheers,
repobear
What you forget is that I first bought SOCO when oil prices were $12 and there had been a fierce bear market in E&Ps. There was therefore strong support for a bombed out share from several different sources. I bought Dana as a diversification. Here we are with oil prices at $70-80 and (especially post-DNX) I am looking for standout situations with strategic value.......and AFAICS (cheap though it perhaps is) SLG looks a bit of a rag-bag of assets which (with 2-3 exceptions, mostly recently recognised) don't especially attract me.
I have also saved quite a bit of money by avoiding a wide variety of crap companies that people kept insisting were too cheap but nobody could understand why. Previous posts on the likes of Falcon, Nighthawk, Frontera, Regal, Indigovision (not crap - but I was posting at £10!) and about 93 different banking stocks refer!
I also have a great deal of respect for WShak's picks - but he makes the occasional rick too (eg Northern Rock, swiftly rectified)
Well my take on that is that it focuses the mind if you start out by needing to make nearly 20% merely to get back to where you were. Ex-post of course, one can see clearly that I should have made the trade anyway in a couple of companies this year....but hindsight is very "helpful" like that.
ee
...ps With Cladhan now done, where is the next major good news in their drilling schedule?
Hi ee,
I got to smile at that ragbag of assets comment on this thread. ;-)
I don't get involved too much in the more heavily 'promoted' companies on TMF.
Soco being the biggest exception. I've dabbled heavily at times in Dana and always made strong money quickly. Made good money on GKP before it got lucky. Ditto Encore, but somewhat bigger;-) and after a good slice of luck. Faroe has always made me money and I'm in again today after selling for 25p dearer not long ago.
As for the crap. I made strong money on FRR in a couple of months and sold at over a quid after realising it was most likely a complete con.I remember taking money out of Regal too. Avoided the rest with that poxy Canadian company being the exception, costing me some money, but cut my losses long before most.
I lost a little bit on AEX after becoming disillusioned with management. Whether it belongs to the crap or good list, with its mixture of assets, time will tell. Let's say the potential and cash situation,imv, are way behind what I currently hold.
To my mind SLG is a standout strategic situation with class assets. It has made topclass discoveries and has cash and good prospects further down the line. It is at the stage of development where some other companies were not so long ago. Management seem prudent and CEOs have nice English accents.
Each to is own though and Im curious to see where this Dana money ends up.'
cheers,
repobear
Hi ee,
LOL, major stratigraphic tap potential drilling downwdip, no oil water contact after two wells.. I don't believe you typed that.......
They plan to drill 6 to 8 wells a year for the next couple of years but would suggest you read the RNS's about Cladhan before commenting further.
repobear
I've highlighted the relevant comment. I was talking about the NEXT good news.
Thanks for the advice. I did link to their drilling plans. However, since you've offered some advice, I'll be sure to take it.
cheerio
ee
Hi,
For those of you who are more comfortable to DYOR a few links to let you know that Cladhan is far from finished as an explo project.
Encore views
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201009130700075385S
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201008310700548281R
Sterlings are here
http://www.sterling-resources.com/
But there again unlike many E&P bosses AB prefers to walk the walk, but can I'm sure talk the talk. Us guys who 'have followed him for three years know this and profited as a result.. None better than this one though quoted on this thread here
http://boards.fool.co.uk/sterling-revisted-12026491.aspx?sort=whole
''There are going to be two pieces of crucial news flow to come. Firstly, we await testing results at Cladhan and the down-dip sidetrack if the testing goes as planned. The down-dip sidetrack won't have to be a success to get to commerciality so it's not as crucial - it will just tell us where we are between a large find and a stonking one. Secondly, a major worry will be lifted when Melrose Resources finally get their farm-in to Romania ratified. There is good reason to be hopeful with both events.
Re:Cladhan, I think Encore's comments are very important since Alan Booth has established himself as a man to be taken very seriously when he is optimistic over a discovery. Cladhan will hopefully prove to be his third major find in the North Sea and this is what he says:
"This is a superb result from Cladhan and is at the upper end of our expectations regarding the quality and quantity of reservoir sands. This result supports the idea that Cladhan is a significant stratigraphic trap which has still not encountered an oil water contact.
...
"Aside from this exceptional result at Cladhan, we are hopeful of returning to Catcher this autumn, dependent on the signing of a suitable rig contract which is nearing agreement, but not yet confirmed.
Whilst I may be a cynical git normally, trusting Alan Booth has made me a fortune over the last few years so I'm going to trust him when he uses word like "superb" and "exceptional" to describe Cladhan results to date.
''
That was written before the superb 15k BOPD equivalent result from the DST and the downdip has just started to try to determine the size of the field;-)
From my reading of the RNSs above, SLG,the opertor, have overtaken him in the bullishness stakes re Cladhan.
The plans for a further stepout well have been brought forward to Q1 2011 for those of you who thought Cladhan was now done.
100mn bbl gross on Cladhan is worth about C$1.17 to SLG and about 16p to Encore according to my calculations.. It could be 4 times volume OIP that according to some. Who knows? Current prices C$2.73 and 92p respectively
I know where I think the starting line for each company is now, but that's another story.
Further drilling plans and details of the 'ragbag' of assets, ROtFLMAO, that one was nearly so wide of the mark as the ''Cladhan now finished' one liner.are contaiined here
http://www.sterling-resources.com/docs/2010_Ops_Up.pdf
and here
http://www.newswire.ca/en/webcast/viewEvent.cgi?eventID=307054
Ik ben nu klaar met mijn 'dog with a bone' ding;-)
repobear
I recall being in the AGM in November 2008 just a few days after the Cladhan drill had given me some hope for the serious loss of funds I'd had over the GS project a fortnight earlier.
AB was questioned so many times about the significance/size of Cladhan but he steadily resisted being drawn in .What I do recall is him saying is that the phone hadn't stopped ringing.
The single fact that there had been no OWC kept me in for my original largish stake through 2009/10.
If AB gets a bit extravagant sometimes ,on past form I'd agree he's being pretty informative.
Hi ohisay,
Well done on holding through the dark days on Encore and indeed we should have a better idea of the size of Cladhan within a week or two.
There have been two cracking posts on Sterling over on TMF and anyone interested in Sterling as a possible outlet for some Dana funds is recommended to take a look.
From WShak
http://boards.fool.co.uk/hi-repobear-the-track-record-of-canadian-listed-12039990.aspx
"I think that anyone ignoring Sterling will regret it over the coming weeks. There are always reasons NOT to buy a stock but each investor must decide for themselves whether they are material enough to dissuade them from a purchase. The failures of some other companies operating a similar business model, or the nationality of the shareholder base strike me as being particularly immaterial reasons to dismiss it as an investment.
The central bull case for Sterling is that it has four major assets in Breagh, Cladhan, Blakeney and Romania which have a (growing) market value which should be much greater than the existing share price indicates. More importantly, we don't have to trust management when trying to establish what the value is since we have verification from independent partners who have already demonstrated that they have impeccable credentials. "
and IronPyrites who makes this point amongst several others
http://boards.fool.co.uk/misconceptions-about-sterling-12040133.aspx
''10. IronPyrites, repobear and WShak are pump and dump merchants of the worst kind ;-)
Damn I think they might be on to us :-)''
repobear
Repo
what exactly is your objective in posting here? are you simply trying to score points and/or wind people up? I can't see any other obvious explanation and it is getting to be more than a little tiresome.
T
So six days further in from my last posts some questions for Dana holders.
What are the chances of a counteroffer now?
If there isn't one, when is the earliest/latest date you will get cleared funds in your dealing accounts?
Are there oil companies out there with long term growth prospects and short term, i.e. before your Dana funds arrive, likely material drilling/testing news?
Is there any potential benefit in moving early to get positions before others arrive and before the news materialises?
Or should we continue with our early postmortem debate because this game isn't only about making money;-)
repobear
Why are you asking those questions here? This thread is about "what next?"....and I'm disappointed to see that you haven't bothered to mention any possibilities (bearing in mind, for example, that Cladhan and perhaps Catcher are now in the price of certain companies!).
Please try to be constructive.
ee
ps...apart from the obvious alternatives that I already hold, there is little that I find overwhelmingly compelling. However, I'm open to being convinced. Chances are that a chunk of my own cash will be deployed outside the sector this time........and perhaps in larger more liquid (and lower return) companies.
Or was all that angst worth it? The point is you could have made more with Encore this week than you've agonised over potentially making with Dana I rest my case.
I argued the same case about a month ago. At the time I was told apparently 10% or so can be made in a week.
In all th years I've been Investing whenever there has been takeover talk 99% of the time it has been the right decision to take the money and run.
Encore this week than you've agonised over potentially making with Dana
Precisely. Encore is'nt the only stock though, it has been a good few weeks in the makets in general and Dana has been treading water.
Hi tournesol
,
It's not aimed at you, actually. At least you've had the balls to recognise that it might be a problem, so in my mind you're more than half way there.
Count the number of posts on the Dana-KNOC thread and the number of views and then do the same for this thread and ask yourself. Do people on S'pedia needto get out more?
Or was all that angst worth it? The point is you could have made more with Encore this week than you've agonised over potentially making with Dana
I rest my case.
Dana is dead in the water at 18 quid and that is a right result for those holding before this all kicked off and what is said here will, sorry, have a minimal affect on the outcome.
Otherwise where are all the posts saying that Dana is the cheapest ever ?
i'm bored with Dana now.
repobear
PS I love those neg recs
Encore Oil being another one of them.
With two big successes in the bag, well nearly;-)
Rumours on FTAlphaville today of a PMO bid ..yes they have recent form in this respect.
No announcement on Cladhan from the operator or any real movement in SLG's price.
Seriously heavy buying of Encore at fixed limits over the last few days and a veritable ADVFN type whoosh in the price. At 90p still looks a far better bet than DNX to make money over the coming weeks and there are still 50 trading minutes left today;-)
wakey wakey!!!
There were 3 broker comments on FTalphaville yesterday - the first of which I found fairly compelling (in the bold section of the highlighted area)
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010/09/08/337226/markets-live/
The long-awaited defence document from DNX does little to persuade us that shareholders should hold out for a higher price from KNOC.
A valuation range from independent expert Senergy of 2120-2312p/share sounds pretty punchy and assumes 688p/share for risked exploration at the lower end – something that we are uncomfortable with considering DNX’ patchy exploration record. The group also announces that it is acquiring 33m barrels of 2P reserves in the North Sea from Suncor at a price of £240m. Senergy values these at £368m ie a 50% premium to what DNX paid, largely confirming our view that their valuation is way too high. These assets were sold as part of an auction process, hence it is likely that a number of other oil companies did their due diligence and could not even get to a price that matched the £240m that DNX is paying.
I'm not that close to the Dana story these days - Is this correct ?
Hi tournesol,
As someone who has bought 70 houses or so at auction I can tell you that something is worth what someone is prepared to pay on the day. it doesn't mean the price is right or fair, it just means it's the price on the day.
That's 18 quid for Dana right now because the auctioneer is now saying 'for the third and final time...Do i see anymore?''
The rational investor should have been looking, at the very latest, to move money out of Dana, the moment the market stalled just above 18 quid, because there were, and still are better, chances of making money. Now that the price has sunk below 18 quid ,do you hold on for your full 18 pounds or get your arse out and on to better things? The market is now giving a very clear signal that 18 quid is the price unless someone sticks their hand up soon.
Now after buying all those houses I knew that most of them were worth more than that, but i would need to add value in some way to make it happen. TC saying that Dana's latest acquistion is worth loads more, doesn't cut it I'm afraid. KNOC knows that and so does the market without someone else coming in.
Whatever happens to my mind some posters here will end up with egg on their faces too, because their emotions have taken hold of the dealing side. Even if a deal comes along there were better opportunites out there over the last weeks and to get back on topic, Sterling Resources is one of them, but I would judge that most people here
are too busy fretting on missing out on 5,10 or 15 perecent to bother looking at it or anything else for that matter.
repobear
Repobear
Is this little diatribe aimed at me? If so it's not like you to be so personal - and not like you to make such wildly inaccurate statements. Perhaps you just over-extended yourself at lunch?
DNX is not the only fruit AFAIAC - it just happens to be the fruit that has provided me with the most juice over the past 12 years. But having sold my entire holding a few months ago (so not exactly in thrall to ungovernable emotional attachment then) my current holding is actually very modest indeed (I was in rebuilding mode when the bid was launched) . FYI my other recently aquired holdings are doing very well thank you, including STG, EOG, NPE, XEL, PCI..... to name but a few. I've no idea why you imagine that these opportunities have escaped my attention........
PS
is it just me or is there something very irrational in analysts arguing that the bid for Dana is reasonable because it represents a hefty premium over the pre-bid SP....
.... and then going on to argue that on the basis of the Dana bid other E&P's like Premier and Enquest are now worth 50% more than their current SP?
If Premier and Enquest and salamander are worth 50% more than today's SP that just tells us that the markets and the analysts who serve them are "hopelessly out of touch"* with the real value of E&P assets on the open market. Which some of us have been saying for some time - (about 10 years in my case)
* to coin a phrase
It's worth reading this piece on alphaville by Joseph Cotterill
The basic thrust is that analysts have systematically undervalued E&P companies with reserves in production
He quotes Rose of Oriel as saying
Salamander also gets a strong mention
I am surprised to see that so little attention has been given to this thread whilst the Dana-KNOC-white knight? debate continues at full throttle
Sterling Resources is to my mind by far the outstanding candidate for some of that Dana money, looking for a growth story in oil and gas witha low cost entry point. It is on the Toronto exchange,TSX-SLG, based In Calgary ( weren't KNOC there recently ?LOL) with a C$400 market cap on yesterday's close of C$2.57 with operations inthe UK, Romania, France and the Netherlands.
This little snippet may encourage some of you to dig further
http://boards.fool.co.uk/as-someone-who-has-been-critical-of-slg-at-times-12029757.aspx
''As someone who has been critical of SLG at times here is my bottom line. Their geo-science team, and a ver small team it is, has done the following. They successfully drilled and appraised Breagh as operators to the tune of over 100 mmboe (probably over 1 TCF of gas in fact) before farming it down and transferring operatorship to RWE. They successfully drilled and appraised, again as operator, an old Enterprise Oil discovery in the Black Sea (Romanian waters) and some now believe that the block has as much or even more than 100 mmboe (gas and oil). They are looking to farm it down and transfer operatorship to Melrose. They have just recently and are still in the progress of delineating their third very large discovery in the last few years at Cladhan. It is speculated to be another 100 mmbo+ possible field. Add in the fact that they were shrewd enough to farm in on the recent Wintershaal Blakney discovery drill and you are left with the following insofar as I am concerned. Who would you want to wager a few pounds on with regard to drilling commercial and in fact commercially large discoveries if not these guys?? One wonders what they will do in the coming years for an encore (no pun intended).
These projects will take time but a producing asset is always worth much more than an undeveloped one in the ground. Over the coming years these assets will make loads of money for the company and thereby extension their share-holders as the commodity price will surely trend higher. Albeit..no idea with regard to how much and exactly when.
Encore and SLG are not really comparable then. They are different beats. Now having blown smoke up SLG's arse I now have to admit that I own Encore and not SLG for the previously discussed reasons. If you want expsoure to a long(er) term UKNS (mainly) player who will be a producer and an explorer than SLG is as good a fit as any imo. Why Wintershaal would not wallow both Encore and SLG is beyond me. They would become operator of Catcher and Cladhan by extension and already have a working interest in both.''
Was seems interested in why it has seen so little interest, but with 72 interested parties it's not so bad
http://boards.fool.co.uk/given-the-rate-at-which-repobear-and-i-have-been-12032766.
''Given the rate at which repobear and I have been ramping SLG, 46 interested parties hardly makes it a TMF favourite just yet, although I am surprised there hasn't been a little more discussion by others - apart from GHH's pathetic attempts to get the price down so he can get another slug :o)
I always think that a company starts to become a TMF favourite when interested parties gets up to about 80 or so, with something like SIA up well past 100.
Some people get nervous when a stock becomes popular here, often with good reason, but there are plenty of examples on TMF where the majority here are right and the market wrong so it's an unreliable sentiment indicator for the market as a whole. We've seen it with Encore, Soco, Banking prefs, Dana, the list goes on - it ultimately depends on the quality of the stock concerned and I think we're still pretty early in the SLG story.
There's still an opportunity for some of that Dana money to come on board, rather than mess about waiting for a few extra pence from KNOC ... :o)''
If you've read this far you may care to read the following threads. I believe you can put it in an ISA, not that this Belgian resident gives a toss and you shouldn't either if it produces the sort of returns I expect;-)
http://boards.fool.co.uk/sterling-resources-slgv-encore8217s-big-b-12011623.aspx?sort=whole
http://boards.fool.co.uk/sterling-revisted-12026491.aspx
An operational update here
http://www.sterling-resources.com/docs/2010_Ops_Up.pdf
A podcast here
http://podcast.newswire.ca/en/
A multi bagger in prospect or a Falcon Oil and Gas wannabe? Or is it back to Dana?
repobear
PS It has gone from under C$1.90 when Was first posted to C$2.23 when I first got involved following the excellent Cladhan result to C$2.57. That´s the equivaent of six quid on the Dana price from barely three weeks ago. It is geared 78Cc to 10p for EO: on any further Cladhan news, not that the first news has been factored in yet!
I can´t get the hang of that quotations thing
Hmmmm....I'll mull that one over whilst enjoying a SOuthern COmfort ! There must be SOme COmpany out there thats fits the bill.
Anyone know of any companies that fit these points as a starter for further analysis ?
1. low political risk/ safe operating country
2. Cash generating
3. Proven reserves (audited)
4. Decent management with track history
5. Already producing.
6. Little or no debt
7. Low SP compared to NAV
and a 8th
Some blue sky potential :-)
Always the possibility of a stand-off if Anne Marie is a rip roaring success & KNOC baulk at putting a few more quid on the table!
However, a few more to add to the list....
Coastal Energy (CEO), also listed on TSX (CEN). Ops in Thailand where it currently produces just under 14k boepd, mainly oil. In the middle of a dev programme on its Bua Ban field, with results from the first few wells put into production in line with expectations. Currently waiting on results from 2 wells which are apparently testing the Eocene - A04 & A-07. All booked reserves for BB are in the Oligocene, so if successful, these 2 wells have the potential to add to reserves. The company also has moderate production (80bopd) from a Miocene layer. Rig is booked until next summer, with work to include more dev drilling on BB, work on the other producing offshore field, Songkhla as well as explo drilling to the north of Bua Ban
JKX - main production base in Ukraine, where it's currently drilling a horiz section on its deep, tight Rudenkovskoye gas field. Will all but double production early in 2011 as its Russian gasfield redevelopment is due on stream. Also has moderate production in Hungary & explo licences in Bulgaria. Last, but by no means least,
Geopark (GPK) which has been quietly building a successful production base in Chile. Very much off most folks' radar, but rarely disappoints.
Nice geograhical spread with varying levels of political risk!
I think the Sterling involved here is Sterling Resources, TSX:SLG.
OMH
How about a play on the Catcher /Cladhan situation ? If it is timed right move into EO. or PMO.for catcher ( I'm personally not that fussed with NPE ) or for a play on cladhan mobe into Eo. or SEY ?
Encore has had a strong run as we all know but with imminent RNS on cladhan and a 4 well appraisal in catcher block there has to be potential for more growth.
See the recent PMO webcast and see how they feel about Catcher.
http://www.axisto.com/webcasting/investis/premier-oil/half-yearly-results-2010/register.htm
Just a thought.
FWIW I hold EO.
And IAE have today reported latest figures, which I think read very well.
The Chairman's statement is, I feel, very positive:
As for the operational and financial details:
Strong cashflows, exceptionally strong finances given the new facility and the placing so ideally placed for development plans and also more asset acquisitions. Note that production has edged upwards since end of the Quarter as well.
Seems as if IAE is doing exactly what it should. I dont think it will be too big a reach to imagine that it could well, in turn, become a target for another oilie looking to expand their N Sea presence and production, especially in view of the cashflow profile and boost as development occurs over the short (in oilie) terms.
Well, a couple of ending comments re FPM in these articles.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/corporate-sme/dana-forecast-to-lose-battle-as-koreans-go-hostile-on-bid-1.1049607
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cf70fac2-ae13-11df-bb55-00144feabdc0.html
Holding Faroe Petroleum Plc (LON:FPM), Ithaca Energy Inc (LON:IAE) and my largest holding Afren (LON:AFR)
Minor holdings in Xcite Energy (LON:XEL), Borders & Southern Petroleum (LON:BOR) - purely punts here.
Good stimulating point DJ. Are we all standing arround with cash burning a hole in our pockets post DNX? What happens if SIA go next! Should we stay cashed out for the time being?
For me its about potential for growth with out being overly boom or bust. Should you follow new geological fairway's, like the Falklands, Greenland ,East Africa etc, or a company ploughing a narrow furrow in the Noth sea or other establish basins? Heavy oil may yet have its day. Perhaps a mix of all.
Interestingly Venture Production (LON:VPC) and Dana Petroleum Plc (LON:DNX) both grew to about 50kboepd then seemd to hit a critical mass and were bought out (or will be in DNX case).
I also think its more difficult to grow a company from 50kboepd to 100kboepd, than from say 10kboepd to 50kboepd.
For me , I want to be in new oil fairways,in companies with small but growing production (out of sight out of mind), and keep a good gas oil balance.
I have allways respected those companies that operate production. Its a big step up from being a preoiler.
The other issue we all face is its hard work getting to know companies that are new to us-who are the ones on many fronts such as governance,prospects, oil gas mix and financing that we should go for?
For me ITHACA is a strong hold & accumulate. They have a decent plan but wont set the world on fire, so fit into the "be taken over category" and make a decent return.
On the new fairway stuff its SOCO.TLW,l but not such good returns for new investors.
Tournesolf talked about the goose, he also cashed out at the recent peak, but to harvest you have to keep planting seeds.However I feel its slim pickings at the moment on yet to be stock.
FWIW I hold:
FH
Hi DJ,
I've been pondering the same thing and spent my Dana monies on Smith & Nephew, Balfour Beatty and BAE Systems.
However, in light of the BG Group rumours and Dana being taken out I'm still heavily focused on the oilies (65% of portfolio and mainly SOCO) so that's where I intend to still invest the bulk over the next 2 years. Hopefully SOCO selling off its Vietnam assets.
So, for me, I'd add Dragon Oil (LON:DGO) and Exillon Energy (LON:EXI) to your list. Both are well funded, Dragon has a huge cash pile and Exillon had a nice little recent find, virtually no debt on the books. Can easily see Dragon's share price doubling over the next 2 years. No investment in either at the moment though myself.
ArtN
Hi,
More a question than a suggestion; would KNOC (assuming they are successful) follow taking over Dana by making a bid for Faroe Petroleum?
If this happens then surely there would be a quick premium depending on the sequence of events, Anne Marie, turnaround of funds etc.?
Andy