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Daily Stock Market Report (Wed 12 Mar 2025) - FOUR, LGEN, IGP, GYM, HILS, CBOX, PPHC

Good morning! Here's the agenda for today's report.

1.20pm: all done for today.


Companies Reporting

Name (Mkt Cap)RNSSummaryOur view (Author) 

Legal & General (LON:LGEN) (£14.4bn)

Full Year Results

Core op profit +6% (£1.6bn). Op ROE 34.8% (LY: 26.6%). Strong momentum. £500m buyback.

GREEN (Roland holds)
Today’s numbers show positive progress with the group’s simplified strategy. Cash generation continues to support the near-9% dividend. On a FY25 P/E of 10, I think the shares remain decent value for income.

Balfour Beatty (LON:BBY) (£2.2bn)

Full Year Results

Underlying operating profit +7% (£252m). Divi increase and £125m buyback. Positive outlook.

Hill & Smith (LON:HILS) (£1.39bn)

Full Year Results

Profit ahead of exps. Revenue +5% (constant FX). ROIC up to 24.8%. Outlook: well positioned.

GREEN (Roland)
While performance in the UK weakened last year, the US now provides the majority of earnings and appears to have a more positive outlook. I think HILS’ valuation looks reasonable for a business with proven quality characteristics and solid forecast earnings growth.

4imprint (LON:FOUR) (£1.35bn)

Final Results

PW. Orders slightly down in 2025, challenging environment. Brokers cut 2025 forecasts, e.g. PBT -6%.

BLACK (AMBER/GREEN) (Graham)
I’m downgrading our stance on this by just one notch, despite this profit warning. 4imprint might still be considered a company of the highest quality and its earnings multiple is now modest at around 13x. So despite the profit warning, I think there are some reasons for cautious optimism from the current level.

Hochschild Mining (LON:HOC) (£987m)

Preliminary Results

Rev +37%. Adj. PBT $199m. Restores dividend. New dividend policy: 20-30% of FCF.

Forterra (LON:FORT) (£339m)

Full Year Results

Revenue flat. H2 weighting. Adj. PBT -29% (£22m). Net debt £85m, leverage 1.9x to reduce further.

MaxCyte (LON:MXCT) (£270m)

Q4 & FY 2024 Results

FY24 rev -6% to $38.6m, opex $82.7m. Cash $190m at 31 Dec. FY25 core rev exp +8 to 15%.

GYM (LON:GYM) (£242m)

Full Year Results

Rev +11%, LFL +7%, avg members +4%. Adj PBT £3.6m (FY23: £(5.5m)). YTD rev +8%.

AMBER/RED (Graham)
I’m still AMBER/RED on this although today’s results do show a significant improvement against 2023. But the lack of real profits or barriers to entry leave me holding on to a moderately negative stance.

Public Policy Holding (LON:PPHC) (£162m)

Preliminary Results

In line. Rev +11% to $150m, inc 3% org growth. Adj EBITDA +3% to $36m. Strong momentum YTD.

AMBER/RED (Graham)
This US-based lobbying group is enjoying improved organic growth and plenty of demand in the new political environment. However, its very large share-based accounting charges (and other adjustments) have unnerved me.

Intercede (LON:IGP) (£81m)

Contract wins ($1.4m)

Wins and extensions in AsiaPac and US federal space totalling $1.37m. No change to guidance.

AMBER (Megan)
It’s good to see continued momentum in the company’s ability to sign contracts. But the shares still look a little rich at current levels. If 2025 and 2026 forecasts turn out to be conservative, it might be worth turning more positive.

Cake Box Holdings (LON:CBOX) (£76m)

Acquisition & £7.2m Fundraise

Acquiring Ambala Foods for £22m w/ £15m loan, £7m placing, £0.2m retail offer. 12x TTM EBITDA.

AMBER/GREEN (Roland)
This is a sizeable deal for a company of this size, but Ambala does seem a decent fit and the opportunity looks logical to me. Increased operational risk and financial leverage mean I’ve tempered our view slightly, but remain broadly positive.

* Market caps at previous trading day’s close


Graham's Section

4imprint (LON:FOUR)

Down 17% to £39.55 (£1.11bn) - Final Results - Graham - BLACK (AMBER/GREEN)

4imprint Group plc (the "Group"), a direct marketer of promotional products, today announces its final results for the 52 weeks ended 28 December 2024

2024 results are in line - in some ways slightly ahead - of forecast.

However, I note that Cavendish have made some meaningful cuts to 2025 forecasts today, in light of a weak start to the year for the company and the potential impact of tariffs.

Panmure Liberum have done the same, “to reflect the macro”.

Therefore today’s announcement serves as a profit warning.

A quick review of 2024:

  • Revenue +3% ($1,368m)

  • Operating profit +9% ($148m)

  • Special dividend 250 cents or 193p, on top of regular dividend 240 cents or 186p.

There’s a helpful breakdown of expense by function; note the marketing spend which Paul previously argued was discretionary (here) but which is also a key ingredient to their success, as they benefit from brand awareness in the United States. Please note that 98% of FOUR’s revenue comes from the US and Canada.

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The Chairman comment includes the profit warning:

"The Group delivered a strong financial performance in 2024, continuing to outperform the promotional products market as a whole and thereby taking further market share.
In the first two months of 2025 revenue at the order intake level was slightly down compared to the same period in 2024, reflecting continued uncertainty in the market. It is possible that market conditions, including potential tariff impacts, may continue to influence demand in 2025. From our experience, however, as business sentiment improves, demand for promotional products increases as does our ability to gain market share.
Despite a challenging near-term environment, our view of the prospects of the business remains unchanged. The Board is confident in the Group's strategy, competitive position and growth opportunity."

Their confidence in the future is perhaps highlighted by the decision to pay a bumper special dividend that serves to double the total payout to shareholders for the year.

Balance sheet: the proposed final dividend plus the special dividend are estimated to cost $115m in 2025.

But looking at the Dec 2024 balance sheet, it’s healthy with net assets of $185m, almost fully tangible.

It’s a surprisingly small, simple balance sheet, which hints at the quality of the business model.

PPE is very light for a company of this size (less than $50m).

And there is almost nothing in liabilities except for some trade payables.

Indeed, non-current liabilities are only $5.5m! Is there any FTSE-250 business with fewer non-current liabilities than this?

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Graham’s view

We were GREEN on this at a share price of £55 and a higher earnings multiple.

The shares have been unable to sustain those higher multiples and it seems that the market was right to be cautious, given the earnings downgrades today.

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The latest forecasts from Cavendish suggest earnings per share of 394 cents in 2025, and then 416.2 cents in 2026 (both down around 6%).

After this morning’s share price fall, I calculate that the shares are now on a PER of about 13x.

This is very unusual for the company - it more typically trades in the high teens or the 20s.

However, US tariffs are a problem with an uncertain and potentially serious impact. The promotional goods sold by 4imprint are largely sourced from China. Tariffs can be mitigated by sourcing them elsewhere (at greater expense, inevitably) and by passing on price increases to customers. But that is unlikely to do much for demand or for the company’s margins. Revenue growth was already very modest in 2024, before this problem arose.

I’m therefore going to downgrade our stance on this to AMBER/GREEN, to reflect that additional caution is needed in the light of this profit warning and unknown tariff impact.

Against that, the company might still be considered top-drawer in terms of quality (QualityRank 97) and its earnings multiple is modest. So if it can somehow avoid giving us another profit warning, then there are reasons to think that its valuation should hit a floor reasonably soon. So a moderately positive stance seems fair.


GYM (LON:GYM) 

Up 2% to 136.8p (£246m) - Full Year Results - Graham - AMBER/RED

I downgraded this to AMBER/RED in January (at the pre-close trading update) having lost patience with the length of time taken by GYM to demonstrate economies of scale and produce real profits.

Today we have confirmation of results for 2024. Some highlights:

  • Revenue +11% (like-for-like revenue +7%)

  • Adjusted EBITDA (not relevant due to capital intensity) +16% to £87m

  • PBT improves from a loss of £8.3m to a profit of £2.5m.

Net debt has reduced by 8% to £61m, excluding leases.

The company argues that operational leverage is visible in these results and I acknowledge that there has been a substantial improvement over 2013.

But I don’t agree with this:

Return on Invested Capital ('ROIC') of mature gym sites of 25% (2023: 21%), delivering medium term guidance early; ROIC increases to 27% after excluding 13 workforce-dependent gyms

Check the footnotes and you find that the ROIC definition calculates profit as “EBITDA less Normalised Rent”. I’m afraid I can’t get behind EBITDA in the context of a gym (or a restaurant, or a cinema).

I understand that the operator of a capital-intensive leisure site needs to understand cash flow, but the owner needs to understand real profits, after the cost of fitting them out and then suffering depreciation.

I also think it’s a stretch to exclude 13 “workforce-dependent” gyms. Yes, people’s commuting habits have changed. But I just don’t think that’s enough of a reason to exclude the worst-performing sites from calculations.

Business and operational highlights: from a customer and employee perspective, GYM seems to be performing very well. High rates of customer satisfaction, and employee engagement.

Current trading/outlook is positive although I think we should place a lot more emphasis on like-for-like revenue growth (3%) and the growth in yield (price paid for membership, up 4%) rather than the growth in total revenue (8%). Growth in total revenue is boosted by site openings and the maturing of new sites:

Trading momentum remained strong in our peak recruitment months of January and February; revenue after two months has grown by 8% year on year, reflecting a 4% increase in average members and 4% growth in yield. Like-for-like revenue up 3%
Group Adjusted EBITDA Less Normalised Rent for FY25 now expected to be at the top end of the recently revised analyst forecast range of £49.0m-£50.8m, driving further improvement in mature site ROIC
Plan to open 14-16 new sites in 2025, in line with our plan to open c.50 sites over three years funded from free cash flow; leverage expected to remain below 1.5x

Graham’s view

Perhaps AMBER would be fairer, but I just can’t get away from how long it has taken this company to generate real, meaningful profits despite already reaching quite a significant scale with nearly 250 sites.

This is a sector without any barriers to entry that I can see and so I’m not even convinced that if it did turn profitable, that the profits would be sustainable.

PureGym has 400 gyms and I’m not sure that it’s really profitable either - according to a press release published last year, it made an adj. EBITDA of £132m in 2023. I wonder if that converted into real profits?

Turning specifically to the Gym Group, it says that it generated a free cash flow for 2024 of £37.5m. This was boosted by a £9m movement in working capital, so the real figure is c. £29m. It spent an equivalent amount (£28m) on expansionary capex to grow the estate.

Therefore, if you trust the company’s adjustments and calculations, it’s only trading at around 8x adjusted free cash flow (market cap £249m divided by free cash flow adjusted for working capital, £29m). You might want to adjust this higher for net debt.

So from that point of view, the current share price is fair and I should be AMBER.

I also note that PureGym achieved a £600m valuation back in 2017. If private equity took an interest in it, perhaps they could envisage a higher valuation for GYM than the stock market is currently giving it.

However, I think ongoing caution is justified due to the leverage, the capital intensity, the track record of minimal “real” profits (on the income statement), and ongoing vulnerability to competition and the macro environment. It’s unlikely that PureGym and the Gym Group would be permitted to merge - the last time they considered it, the CMA got involved with an investigation.

Therefore, for me, this is still an AMBER/RED.

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Public Policy Holding (LON:PPHC)

Unch. at 135p (£162m / $210m) - Unaudited preliminary results - Graham - AMBER/RED

Public Policy Holding Company, Inc., the leading government relations and public affairs group, today announces its unaudited preliminary results for the year ended 31 December 2024 ("FY2024" or the "Period").

It looks like we’ve never covered this one before. It’s a 2021 IPO that hasn’t crashed - that’s an achievement!

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The shares are very thinly traded on most days which makes we worry that there could be a dominant shareholder - but that’s not the case. Instead there are various individuals with large-ish stakes:

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PPHC is “a family of premier advisory firms specializing (US-based) in government relations and public affairs communications strategies”. My impression is that it’s mostly focused on lobbying in the US - both federally and at the State level. That must be interesting work these days!

Some highlights from today’s full-year results:

  • Revenue +11% to $149.6m. Organic growth 3% plus acquisitions.

  • Underlying EBITDA +3% to $36.1m.

  • Underlying EPS of $0.2345 was flat.

I will have to dock the company some points for presenting a highlights table which is almost entirely focused on “underlying” (not statutory) numbers, and which includes an extra column for “adjusted” underlying numbers!

Also, there is a horrible gap between underlying net income and the actual net loss, both in 2024 and in 2023.

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In both years, the entire underlying net income was eaten up by enormous share-based accounting charges, which is just another form of management remuneration.

In addition to the share-based accounting charges, there are LTIP charges worth a few million dollars and payments to managers of acquired companies (“Post-combination comp”).

I get that this is a people-based business and that management need to be paid well, but why present underlying numbers that leave out huge elements of these payments?

Net debt is $17.5m following two acquisitions.

The outlook is positive and the election of President Trump appears to have stimulated demand:

The Group has strong trading momentum in FY2025, with organic growth rates year-to-date well ahead of FY2024. The strong strategic execution and robust results achieved during FY2024 give the Board confidence in FY2025.
Following the US elections, management has observed significant new business activity in the United States.

They see themselves as “as a natural consolidator with favourable bipartisan positioning” in the fragmented market for public affairs and professional lobbying services”.

Medium-term guidance:

  • Organic rev growth of 5-10%

  • Incremental growth from future M&A

  • Underlying EBITDA margin 25-30%

Graham’s view

I don’t have a negative impression of this business in terms of its structure or its market positioning, but as an investment there is a fly in the soup: it doesn’t make any money, at least not officially.

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The underlying (and “adjusted underlying”!) numbers look good at first glance, but then you realise that staff are eating those profits with share-based payments and LTIPs.

I’ve had a look at the footnotes and I think the very large share-based accounting charge relates primarily to the IPO, when many share rights were granted to employees (subject to a vesting schedule). So perhaps we can hope that these charges might calm down in the years to come.

According to today’s cash flow statement, the company did generate net cash from operations of $16.4m, with minimal investing outflows (apart from fresh acquisitions).

I don’t want to be unnecessarily harsh on a stock I’m covering for the first time, but I am going to take a moderately negative stance on this today. I think investors really need to scrutinise the large gap between the underlying numbers and the numbers on the actual income statement.

They might also question, as they would with any US-based business, why it chose to list on AIM. Was it purely opportunism relating to the conditions on London’s junior market in 2021, or was there another reason?


Megan's Section

Intercede (LON:IGP)

Up 5% to 145p (£86m) - Further contract announcements - Megan - AMBER

Cybersecurity group Intercede has reported another flurry of contract wins to close off its 2025 financial year (which ends in March). In the final quarter, the company signed orders worth $1.37m, some of which will be delivered during the current period (although it is not entirely clear how much).

Three of the four contract announcements are with US federal agencies, building on the existing relationships that the company has there. It’s good to see continued orders from existing clients.

The final contract announcement is a 3 year subscription licence for a government client in the Asia Pacific region - a market which presents a growing opportunity for Intercede.

Revenues for the year to March are currently forecast at £16.9m. In the first half, Intercede booked £8.5m of revenues and so, with the stream of new contracts which have been signed since then, forecasts for the full year look very manageable.

In January, after the company announced $5m of new contract wins in December and management revealed the financial performance was ahead of previous expectations, brokers upgraded earnings guidance. Consensus forecasts are for earnings of 4.9p.

The dilemma currently being faced by Intercede investors is whether these contract wins justify such a lofty price to earnings ratio. Shares are currently trading on 31 times 2025 forecast earnings.

The difficulty here is that Intercede had a particularly impressive 2024, during which it signed two major contracts which sent sales up by 65% and catapulted earnings to 9.64p. Based on last year’s figures, the company is trading on a PE ratio of 14.6x, which is far more palatable.

But company valuation is not based on what is gone, but what is coming up. While earnings forecasts for 2025 have recently been hiked, at the current count, they’re expected to fall again in 2026. The current valuation would therefore suggest that investors are hoping that 2026 forecasts are incorrect and will be upgraded or they’re based on a far longer term outlook.

Intercede clearly has good ties with major clients, which is promising. It also seems to have a relatively resilient moat, which is reflected in a return on capital employed which has jumped up to more than 30%.

The balance sheet is also strong with £16m of cash - which represents a fifth of the current market cap. Although it should be noted that a lot of this cash represents the cash inflows from customers who have paid in advance for a service which the company now needs to deliver.

Megan’s view:

The momentum behind Intercede’s ability to sign contracts suggests that 2026 forecasts (and maybe even 2025 forecasts) look conservative. That makes the current valuation a bit more reasonable.

Graham and Roland have both been Amber on this following the last two updates and I am inclined to agree. A more sustained trajectory in the share price might make it worth considering this as a speculative growth investment, but for now I don’t think the momentum is heading in the right direction. AMBER


Roland's Section

Legal & General (LON:LGEN)

Down 0.8% to 243p (£14.3bn) - Full Year Results (part 1 & part 2) - Roland - GREEN

At the time of publication, Roland holds a long position in LGEN.

When a large financial company feels the need to divide its results into multiple parts, complexity is pretty much guaranteed.

In Legal & General’s case this is certainly true. This insurer and asset management group manages more than £1trn of assets and carries c.£540bn of assets and liabilities on its balance sheet. Many of these have lifetimes stretching decades into the future.

Despite this, these shares are justifiably popular for providing a reliable and generous dividend.

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I hold them for this reason – a near-9% yield means the flat 10-year share price performance is less of a concern than it might be otherwise:

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However, the complexity of this business means that for most investors, the only way to digest the results is at a fairly high level.

My approach is to focus on cash generation, profitability and divisional headline results. I don’t think it’s realistic to go much deeper. With that caveat, let’s take a look at today’s numbers.

2024 results summary: today’s headline figures look broadly positive to me:

  • Core operating profit up 6% to £1,616m;

  • Core operating earnings up 6% to 20.23p per share;

  • Operating return on equity up 8% to 34.8%

  • Contractual Service Margin (an accounting measure of expected future profit) up 2.2% to £13,292m

Shareholder returns remain a key focus:

  • Dividend up 5% to 21.36p per share

  • £500m share buyback announced

This dividend doesn’t appear to be quite covered by core earnings of 20.2p per share. But the payout is comfortably covered by surplus capital generated last year – I use this as a proxy for cash generation in L&G’s results:

  • Solvency II capital generation down 3.8% to £1,751m (29.7p per share)

  • Solvency II Coverage Ratio up 8% to 232%

Adding the £500m buyback to the dividend tells us that CEO António Simões is effectively planning to return all the surplus capital generated by L&G last year to its shareholders.

Given the improvement in the group’s regulatory coverage ratio, I don’t see any problem with this.

Business commentary: Mr Simões joined L&G at the start of 2024 and is on a mission to slim down and tighten the focus of this group, while expanding in its core markets. Today’s results summarise some of the progress made so far with this strategy.

Institutional Retirement (op profit up 7.5% to £1,105m): £10.7bn of global pension risk transfer business written (2023: £13.7bn). This included £8.4bn in the UK (2023: £12.0bn) and £2.3bn internationally (2023: £1.7bn) - this is mainly the US and Canada, markets targeted for growth.

Asset Management (op profit down 10.5% to £401m): AUM down 3% to £1,135bn, but average fee rate increased from 7bps to 8bps as the company targets “higher fee margin products”. Profits were lower partly due to investment in “growth and scalability” following the merger of the LGIM and LGC divisions into a single AM unit.

Retail (op profit up 12% to £504m): gains mainly driven by workplace pensions (5.5m members) and sales of individual annuities, up 48% to £2,118m. L&G reports a 23.6% share of the retail annuity market. These products now offer more attractive income rates for retirees than during the zero interest rate era.

Disposals: the group sold its UK housebuilding business Cala for £1.35bn and its US protection business for £1.8bn.

Outlook: the company reports “a busy PRT pipeline” (pension risk transfer) and says it’s completed £1.2bn of transactions in the UK and is “actively pricing on £17bn of new deals”.

In asset management, flows into higher margin products are said to be continuing. This is being aided by a growing number of workplace pension members transitioning into a fund which offers private markets exposure (higher fees).

Shareholder returns: In line with previous guidance, dividend growth is expected to reduce to 2% per year between now and 2027.

Buybacks are becoming a greater priority. The company announced a £1bn buyback in February using proceeds from the sale of its US protection business. This is supplemented by a £500m buyback announced today.

In total, L&G intends to return the equivalent of c.40% of market cap to shareholders through dividends and buybacks over 2025-2027. That’s about £5.7bn.

Roland’s view

Leaving aside the reality that buybacks do not return cash to shareholders, I think buying back shares has the potential to generate an attractive return on investment at current levels.

More broadly, today’s results seem fine to me, with stronger performances in some areas and room for improvement elsewhere. This is what I’d expect from a mature and complex business.

I’m comfortable as long as the direction of travel is positive and the dividend remains supported by surplus cash generation. Legal & General appears to be meeting both of my requirements and also continues to look decent value to me:

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Complexity will always be a risk, but Legal & General has been in business for nearly 200 years. I believe it’s likely to remain a decent choice for investors seeking a high-yield income. GREEN.


Hill & Smith (LON:HILS)

Up 10% to 1,906p (£1.5bn) - Full Year Results - Roland - GREEN

Hill & Smith PLC ("Hill & Smith" or "the Group"), the leading provider of solutions that enhance the resilience of vital infrastructure and the built environment, announces its preliminary results for the year ended 31 December 2024.

Hill & Smith makes products such as road barriers and street lamps. While they may seem mundane and low tech, they tend to be very precisely specified and are often subject to regulatory approvals and other barriers to entry (e.g. public sector approved supplier requirements).

Therein lies this company’s competitive advantage, amplified by its scale, long history and very broad product range (worth a look).

2024 results summary: The quality of this business is on display in today’s results, which have received a warm reception from the market.

  • Revenue up 3% to £855.1m

  • Adjusted pre-tax profit up 18% to £132.6m

  • Reported pre-tax profit up 12% to £104.5m

  • Adj EPS up 16% to 122.6p

  • Dividend up 14% to 49.0p per share

  • Net debt of £96.9m (0.3x EBITDA)

New CEO Rutger Helbing says these results reflect “excellent performance in our US business”, which now generates three-quarters of group profits.

Continued active portfolio management is said to have helped improve the quality of HILS’ portfolio of semi-autonomous operating companies:

Four value enhancing US acquisitions completed in FY24 for aggregate expected consideration of £58.5m
Divestment in Q1 2025 of two non-core businesses
M&A pipeline remains active

These are certainly a solid set of results, but the divisional commentary does reveal a slightly more mixed performance in some areas, particularly the UK.

Engineered Solutions: revenue rose by 5% to £418.7m on an organic constant currency (OCC) basis. Underlying operating margin improved to 18.6% (2023: 17.5%). Growth was driven by strong demand for composite products in the US.

Galvanizing Services: OCC revenue rose by 2% to £197.8m. Underlying operating margin improved to 25.4% (2023: 23.2%).

The US market saw a 9% increase in volumes, with lower input costs supporting a 6% increase in OCC revenue.

The UK market was weaker, with full-year volumes up 2% but revenue down by 4%.

Roads & Security: OCC revenue fell by 9% to £238.6m in 2024. Underlying operating margin improved to 6.5% (2023: 4.7%) but was significantly lower than the remainder of the group, diluting overall profitability.

The company highlights three main areas of weakness:

  • US off grid solar lighting – its largest customer “realigned inventory levels”.

  • US message boards - impairment charges totalling £13.2m are announced today

  • UK roads - OCC revenue fell by 4% due to “reduced demand and budgetary pressures”

These impairment charges mean that the Roads & Security division generated a statutory operating loss of £5m last year.

Profitability: despite these pressures, Hill & Smith’s overall profitability remains well above average.

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The company reports a 2024 return on invested capital (ROIC) figure of 24.8% (2023: 22.0%).

Using a more standard return on capital employed calculation, I get a ROCE of 18.1%, or 22.5% using adjusted profits. Both numbers reinforce my view that this is a quality business., They're also reassuringly close to the company’s own preferred figure.

Cash generation is also excellent. I calculate free cash flow excluding acquisitions of £95m, which represents 125% conversion from reported net profit of £76.4m.

Unusually, in my experience, the company’s free cash flow is more closely aligned to its adjusted net profit of £98.6m.

Outlook: the prospects for 2025 appear to be divided along similar lines to 2024 performance.

In the US, “strong trading momentum” is expected to continue, driven by investments being made to “onshore vital infrastructure”. The company doesn’t expect a “significant impact” from current trade tensions at this time.

The UK outlook “is likely to remain challenging given budget pressures in the public sector”. But management is hopeful of “some level of recovery”.

The company continues to see “attractive growth opportunities in our Indian business”.

I don’t have access to any broker notes for this business. But consensus forecasts on Stockopedia ahead of today’s results suggest another positive year of growth:

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Roland’s view

I’ve admired this business for many years and perhaps should have bought it at some point! The long-term record has been excellent:

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The stock only earns an average value score from the StockRanks, but I think this is offset by the consistently high quality of the business:

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Adjusting for this morning’s share price rise puts HILS on a 2025E P/E of 15, with a 2.6% yield. That’s not cheap, but this valuation looks very fair to me given the company’s high quality, low leverage and strong record of self-funded growth.

The main risk I can see is that a decent proportion of Hill & Smith’s revenue appears to have some degree of political exposure. However, the current situation in the US appears to be broadly favourable for the business and I would expect UK demand to stabilise over time.

On balance, I’m comfortable taking a positive stance here. GREEN


Cake Box Holdings (LON:CBOX) 

Down 2% to 185p (£74m) - Acquisition & £7.2m Fundraise - Roland - AMBER/GREEN

Cake Box (AIM:CBOX), the UK's largest retailer of fresh cream celebration cakes, is pleased to announce that it has conditionally agreed to acquire Ambala Foods Limited for an aggregate consideration of £22 million, which consists of £16 million for Ambala and £6 million for Ambala's manufacturing facility located in Welwyn Garden City.

When Graham last commented on this franchisor of fresh cream cake shops, he took a positive view but noted that “like-for-like growth is not running too hot”. Perhaps today’s news is intended to help address this point by adding some complementary inorganic growth to Cake Box’s offering.

This is a significant acquisition for a business with a £76m market cap, but Cake Box reported net cash in its last accounts and the financial terms of this deal seem manageable to me.

Acquisition details: Cake Box is buying Ambala Foods and a related manufacturing facility.

Acquisition of Ambala, a leading manufacturer and retailer of Asian sweets (Mithai) in the UK since 1965. Mithai has strong cultural, religious and social importance in the Asian community.

Ambala operates from 22 stores, including 19 owned stores and three franchised stores. It’s always been family-run but it looks like succession issues may have prompted the decision to sell:

The Ambala business significantly underperformed in FY24 following the death of its founder and sole shareholder in late 2023

Cake Box expects to be able to cross-sell products in both companies’ stores while continuing to open new stores under both brands:

opportunity to cross sell products in both Cake Box and Ambala stores;
c.100 Cake Box stores have been identified which are located in areas where Ambala franchise stores can be located and potentially run by existing Cake Box franchisees

Significant cost savings and synergies are expected, including from modernising production and merging head office and logistics functions.

This seems a logical and complimentary acquisition to me, albeit quite ambitious in scale.

Financials: Cake Box is paying £22m for Ambala, funded through a mix of debt and fresh equity:

  • £7m placing (9.72% of existing share count)

  • £15m term loan

  • “Any balance” from existing corporate cash (net cash was £5.6m at 30 Sept 24)

There’s also a £0.2m retail offer to allow private investors to participate in the fundraising at the placing price of 180p, avoiding dilution. Details are here - the offer closes on 13 March.

Adding the £15m loan to Cake Box’s 30 Sept ‘24 net cash position of £5.6m suggests net bank debt of c.£10m. Given the company’s comments on its existing cash balance, I suspect the true year-end figure may be slightly higher.

I estimate leverage might increase to c.2.0x EBITDA, as a result. I’d see this as manageable, but at the upper end of my comfort zone for a small cap.

A summary of Ambala’s financial performance in FY23 is provided, together with numbers for the 12 months to 31 October 2024:

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Using the latest LTM FY24 figures suggests this acquisition is priced at a multiple of 12.4 times trailing EBITDA, or alternatively 14 times pre-tax profit.

This compares with Cake Box’s own valuation of around nine times TTM EBITDA:

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Ambala appears to enjoy a low-double digit operating margin, so I don’t think the purchase price is necessarily unreasonable. But Cake Box’s lower valuation means it won’t benefit from the earnings re-rating that can occur when a highly-rated company acquires a smaller company at a lower valuation.

Cake Box trading update: we also have a brief update on Cake Box’s own trading today, ahead of its March year end (my emphasis):

The Company is on track to open more than 25 new stores by the year end and the Board is confident that results for the year ended 31 March 2025 will meet market expectations.

Christmas and New Years’ weeks are said to have surpassed £4m sales, with New Years’ week setting a new weekly record.

Consensus forecasts imply 8.7% revenue growth for FY24, so perhaps H2 was a little stronger than in H1.

Broker estimates price the stock on a FY25 P/E of 15 and a 5% dividend yield. That seems very reasonable to me for a growing, high-margin franchisor:

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Roland’s view

Cake Box’s particular USP is egg-free cakes – according to its website, the company’s founders “follow a strict lacto vegetarian diet”. While the cakes are broadly popular, my understanding is that this is an offering that particularly resonates with the UK’s Asian community. As such, today’s acquisition appears logical and consistent with the company’s history and core customer demographic.

Cake Box is acquiring a very well-known brand in the Asian community to which Cake Box can apply its growth experience

I’m always wary about big acquisitions, as they are difficult. Investors need to form their own view on the merits of this deal. I would argue that the risk here lies in the scale of the deal and the potential complexity of integrating the two businesses and reversing the recent decline in Ambala’s profitability.

Given the apparent strong fit between the two businesses, I’m going to give Cake Box the benefit of the doubt and remain broadly positive. But in recognition of the new level of debt and operational risk in the business, I’m going to reduce our previous GREEN view to a slightly more cautious AMBER/GREEN.

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Megan, Graham was pretty negative on Intercede (LON:IGP), he did downgrade it from Green toAmber, l think if Paul had not rated it so highly, it would have been rated lower.  
His view: "Paul has been a huge supporter of this one, but personally I’m struggling to see how it is worth c. £100m, at least based on the financial forecasts for the next 18 months. The justification for the current market cap must lie in FY27 and beyond. I’m afraid I don’t “get it” and therefore I’m downgrading this all the way to AMBER."

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Thanks for covering LGEN - have added to my shortlist for research with initial thought to perhaps take a medium sized position and increase it if we see a bit of a dip. Looks alright to me from not a lot of digging, not crazy value but given dividend and buy backs its probably a buy. Interesting reading all the comments here too.

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Fonix (LON:FNX) another chart looking dreadful, why the sharp drop this afternoon??

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5% uplift in Urban Logistics Reit (LON:SHED) on no news as far as I can see. Could be an offer in the background as happened with Care REIT (LON:CRT) which wasn’t announced to the market for weeks and got announced this week finally. 
I hold

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CPI data has come in at 0.2% which on the face of it is good. Against the backdrop of a bad January number this was needed. The instant market reaction is strong, but as I said a few minutes ago, the picture isn't just about inflation data.  Never-the-less some much needed positive news....so let's enjoy....  

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Thanks RD always appreciate your macro updates and pearls.

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Not impressed with today’s trading update from Intercede (LON:IGP). The ‘underpin’ update provides FY March25 reassurance but the $1.37m of contract orders in the March ending quarter is underwhelming against annual revenue of £17m and over $5m of contracts signed in December alone.

Its only 3 months but growth seems to be slowing. Today’s update suggests FY25 numbers were already ‘in the bag’. A hoped for material upgrade to FY25 now seems unlikely. Cavendish may have nudged up FY25 EPS forecasts from 4.9p to 5.1p but FY26 EPS is still forecast to decline to 4.4p.

There’s always the potential for contract wins bringing upside but, a large US Fed contract in FY24 apart, I’m concerned with the low value of each contract.

Per Cavendish, the FY25 PE is 27x and FY26 PE is 31x. Cyber businesses attract high multiples, but only because - especially in the current environment - they’re supposed to grow. This one isn't.

I don’t agree with management’s view that their partner ‘go to market strategy’ is working. I think Intercede (LON:IGP) needs to be winning more contracts, of much higher value, at a much faster cadence – and put some of the £17m of net cash on the balance sheet to work more productively.

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Well the CEO is confident enough to buy £50K in shares which would indicate that that the pipeline is healthy and positive for 26. If the cash is put to good use then then the future is encouraging. Would not be surprised to see another  positive trading in April. NB the 2 sales of secure vault new product since launch in December. 

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Oh FFS, if it's not one thing it's another, was my only stock in profit Beeks Financial Cloud (LON:BKS)

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Know how you feel. 

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Markets very demoralising atm, every day prices lurching downwards. 

Seems so many funds/sellers selling down. Keeping powder dry until any hint of change.

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At the risk of a lot of replies telling me to get lost, is it just the markets if our portfolios are doing badly or is the main reason poor investment decisions? 

Markets are difficult at present, and if only focusing on AIM shares, have been diabolical for many years. Answer to that was and is to look well beyond AIM and/or just UK smaller Companies. And if going for AIM shares, for only part of the portfolio. Some AIM shares are winners. 

There are a lot of shares doing well and even a surprisingly high number of Investment Trusts too. A share I missed was Rolls-Royce Holdings (LON:RR.) . It’s up 98% over 1 year and has multibagged by going up nearly 8 fold over 3 years. I hold Marks and Spencer (LON:MKS) . It’s up 40% this year and 120% over 3 years. Marks has quadrupled from the 90p low only 3 years ago and my own stake has more than tripled. And I’ve taken out the original stake and more on top to run the rest for better than free. 

Another I hold is TP Icap (LON:TCAP) bought at 108p. It’s up 140% on my buy price and the dividend at that price is now 17%. Amedeo Air Four Plus (LON:AA4) which I bought at 34p and 40p is up 78% this year and pays 22% a year dividend at those buy prices. Another Investment Trust I’ve held since 2020 Aew UK Reit (LON:AEWU) is up 26% this year and 50% since purchase, and pays me 13% a year from the quarterly dividends. 

What about Games Workshop (LON:GAW) . It’s up 45% over 1 year and 100% over 3 years and has multi multi bagged from £4.60 a few years ago to over £140 now. . I bought at £4.60 but sold for a tiny profit. Big mistake ….but reinforcing that this post is not to show off, but to point out just a few of the many winning opportunities available. 

Investment Trusts are seeing frequent bids too. Obviously I hold losers as well (who doesn’t?) but the winners and the annual dividend income swamp those losers. Many competent investors will do far better than me. 

Surely there are many other readers of these threads who also hold and are continuing to find winning investments despite these difficult markets, and who have winning portfolios, and could give similar or better examples? 

How about cashing in on some of the shares covered here by Graham, Roland and Megan that get positive write ups from them along with green rating? . (Isn’t that their purpose; to help us find quality investments?)  Or some of the shares issuing “better than expected” updates etc etc. 

Now for the brickbats!

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"I hold Marks and Spencer (LON:MKS) . It’s up 40% this year and 120% over 3 years."

According to the Stocko chart, M&S is down 10% this year? 

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it is up 40% if Ken meant last 12month period, 351p, versus ~250p 12months ago at march 2024

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You’re right Westway. I was posting the 1 year performance but twice then wrote “this year.”

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Ken, it is a difficult market, yes if you are mainly in defence and gold, then you probably have done alright. Yes you can follow the writers on here but their selections have not done well this year. The 12 Christmas stocks are down around 12%. Graham's selections are also down about the same, last year it was up  40% but now down to +12%, on my figures. 
IG Design (LON:IGR) had 2 positive write ups but has lost 70% of its value.

Ed's top trending momentum shares, are not performing much better, the small cap folio is actually doing better than the mid caps and the USA ones.

As for buying ahead of expectations, look at Synectics (LON:SNX) that beat the forecasts and upgraded next years profits, shares promptly went down 25%. 

Marks and Spencer (LON:MKS) did well last but struggling this year.

One of the best performing stocks, this year, is Audioboom (LON:BOOM) l will have to check, l think that is not well regarded by Stockopedia staff. 

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Maybe Stocko will do a questionnaire asking us what we most want to see covered? The emphasis has of course recently changed and unfortunately a number of quality contributors seem to have left. The (conservative) company reviews by Graham, Mark, Megan and Roland remain excellent. 

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That’s a very fair reply Rusty2, and this year, not helped by the current falls,  has been difficult so far. But the falls you mention for Graham, Ed and the Christmas stocks are surely to be judged on longer term performance? Time and again over the years when using my favoured buy the big dips tactic,  I’ve bought shares and Investment Trusts at what I thought were at or near the lows, that went even lower still, before most recovered strongly. It’s longer term performance that counts. There will always be bad spells. And these are always eventually followed by bull markets. 

I’m not in gold or defence, but have a lot of my portfolio, both shares and Investment Trusts that are doing well this year, so it’s not just those 2 areas you mentioned that have provided winners.

e.g along with yiannos I posted a strong buy case for Gulf Keystone Petroleum (LON:GKP) and it’s up 25% this year, on top of previous gains since we both posted. I also posted the very risky short term punt for Ferrexpo (LON:FXPO) around 45p when it became clear Trump was going to win. Yiannos rubbished that idea and that probably frightened most away, Ferrexpo (LON:FXPO) quickly trebled and I got out fast and posted that I had. Gains like that far more than cover the losers. Investment Trusts I hold snd again posted on here (as have other posters) have fallen to bids. Latest for me is Warehouse Reit (LON:WHR) up 23% in 2 months. 

Of course I’ve got shares and Trusts that have fallen this year, the worst being  Fund Managers Liontrust Asset Management (LON:LIO) down 32%  on my buy price, and Premier Miton (LON:PMI) down 28%. These do well in bull markets and I got the timing very wrong for the sector recovery. Harbour Energy (LON:HBR) is another big loser, down 26% on my buy price. 

Does this reply support a key point in my previous post? I.e have a diversified portfolio with a wide range of investments rather than a too narrow one. If my portfolio only included my oil, mining and fund manager shares, current performance this year would be terrible, and I might well have joined in with the moaning about falling markets and complaining nearly everything is down. It isn’t IF we widen our horizons. 

Finally on whether to buy the shares recommended by the quality analysts here.  I don’t do that. I use their excelkent comment as a starting point, and wouldn’t think of investing in any of the them , including the Naps, until at least  having thoroughly checked their recent updates. 

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When I first posted about Gulf Keystone Petroleum (LON:GKP) at 110p.

I get the impression that you did not know that such a company was listed and/or the opportunity it presented based on its FCF.

You continue mentioning my name like it’s a competition and you are the winner in your own one horse race!

Only gamblers invest in war zones Ferrexpo (LON:FXPO).

So this my suggestion:

We start with a portfolio of £100,000 on Monday 17th March.  We are only allowed a 10% allocation on each investment. We immediately post our trades here.  We cannot copy each other’s trades! We can invest in the London Stock Exchange and the US and in any financial instrument listed on these exchanges.

The loser at the end of the year donates £20,000 to charity!!

Let’s make this a real competition!!!



All the best

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I can’t be bothered to get in to one of your spats beyond this:-

1. You’re wrong about Gulf Keystone Petroleum (LON:GKP) . I held and posted on it it well before the pipeline closure, including the year they paid 86p in dividends. 

2. And you’re wrong about Ferrexpo too. Of course Ferrexpo (LON:FXPO) was a short term very risky gamble as I made very clear in my post at the time. It was a gamble that paid off handsomely with the share nearly tripling in no time. People can have small stakes if they wish. 

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I knew the answer beforehand!

That was a good/honest/fun idea that would have helped and benefited the Stocko community and give money to charity.


All the best 

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Sitting impatiently on my hands waiting for the correction to abate. No doubt I'll go too early, but it must be close to the point to fill yer boots on many quality stocks.

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I know how you feel too. So much so o ditched Intercede (LON:IGP) and Beeks Financial Cloud (LON:BKS) the first early match and the latter earlier. Perhaps purchased too late but fed up watching the SP go nowhere but down! 

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At the risk of repeating myself and sounding like a Stocko stooge, I really do think the DSMR is fantastic.  The range and depth of coverage is superb.  Thanks again to all the writers contributing here.

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US inflation numbers later lets pray they come in the right side after last two weeks carnage, RD any thoughts if your about today .

Regards

Andy

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If they come in higher than expected the markets will worry about stagflation.

If they come in lower than expected the markets will worry about impending recession.

Hopefully they'll come in on market consensus - not long to wait to find out 

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The market has set the benchmark MoM at 0.3% .... last month it was high at 0.5%.... another 0.5% looks bad. BUT most of years inflation happens in Q1 and "normally" from May onwards the numbers are lower. Higher than 0.5% would be awful and markets probably tank....  There is so much going on at the moment re tariffs, trade, defence, DOGE, AI etc  that I would say 0.2% would be taken well and most people in the market probably just don't want another headache. A headache would be less than 0% MoM or great than 0.5% .... so let's hope that that is enough margin for the data to come it a level fairly consistent with 2-3% inflation.

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GYM This reminds me of some outdoor soccer company from a few years ago. Rummage ... rummage ... it was called Goals Soccer Centre (GOAL). There was a possible cash offer in 2019 at 5p. This would have been an undoubted loss to the majority of shareholders. The site still seems to be going.

Looking at the Stocko stock page, I can't say I'm impressed. It has been public since 2015 and has really struggled to make profits from its revenues. It just seems like a really low return on capital business to me.

Interest Cover is 0.9, which really puts me off. Net profit is around £1.5m with net debt of £385m (I'm working off the historic figure, I'm too lazy to check the recent news). That's vastly too much debt.

The share count has gone up 6%pa, which is a lot. If it wants to grow, which I presume it does, it's going to need to raise more money.

The company is one of those unique business models (like GOAL) that I prefer to avoid. OK, sure, there are lots of gyms out there, but how many gyms do you see floated on the stock market as opposed to say, housebuilders or oil companies?

There's no real business case here, it's going to end in the same place as GOAL.

Why not go to a council gym anyway?

My verdict: Avoid.

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"The company is one of those unique business models (like GOAL) that I prefer to avoid. OK, sure, there are lots of gyms out there, but how many gyms do you see floated on the stock market as opposed to say, housebuilders or oil companies?"

I cant comment on GYM but would add that it is normally bad news for investors when a company is listed in a sector where the competition is mostly private.  Pure clubs and bars (not diversified) have generally proved to be poor investments. Luminar and Revolution spring to mind.

I would also avoid the quoted doorstep and personal lending companies. I cant think of one that has been a good investment.  

The key question is why some companies do better in the private sector.

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The key question is why some companies do better in the private sector.


That's a good question. i'd hazard an answer: skin in the game. Owner-operators don't have to expand, it can be lifestyle businesses for them, and they can be happy with that.

A case in point. At one stage I worked in an oil and gas division in a large company. The bosses of my division were unhappy with the politics and the bureaucracy. so decided to leave and set up their own consultancy, poaching a few staff along the way (of which I was not one).

So then a couple of years go by, my division is closed and the other consultancy is still going. In fact, last I checked, they opened an office in Perth.

So why do private companies do well? They have competent managers who proceed cautiously where not every business line is a playing card to be traded.

I've also seen cases where these public companies get run by former city bankers. Watch out for those! These guys generally have the same playbook: they use financial engineering. Buy up businesses, manage them better (that's their theory anyway), and watch the share price and earnings multiples increase as EPS increases.

Only it's usually mostly just financial engineering. Returns on capital may be low, but never mind that, the share price is going up. Then the whole thing reaches crunch point, and down we go.

Interestingly, I think Premier Foods (LON:PFD) was a company like that. They peaked at around 1700p in 2007, then the whole thing came crashing down. Fortunately, new managers were installed who managed to grab victory in the jaws of defeat.

Look what happened to them of late. Revenues have steadily grown, operating profits even more, they;re now earning decent operating margins and net debt is being steadily reduced.

It was a great recovery play, but alas I was too chicken to invest. The current management seem to be doing a good job, and it wouldn't surprise me to see that it was a bigger more profitable company in 5 years time than it is now.

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Good commentary on Legal & General (LON:LGEN). Good to see these companies covered. 

I've been listening to the Legal & General investor presentation. I'm very impressed with this company and I'm looking to add more on a pull-back. I already have a full size position along with being an RPI annuity holder on part of my pension. It's a great company. IFRS17 confused things. They have £14.8bn of deferred profit sitting in the balance sheet where the cash has already been received. The strategy is much better - a sharpened focus with 3 linked businesses - institutional, retail and investment management all of which have excellent long-term potential with a move to a more asset light approach. Capital allocation is a 14% hurdle (or 20% target ROE) with capital returned if the hurdle is not met. 2% dividend growth and c£1.5bn of buy-backs in the next 3 years returns 40% of the market cap in 3 years.  9% safe dividend yield. Looks like a steady 10% annual return from where we are.

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Thanks for listening for me, topvest, as I was busy!  Reading the RNS now,  this is doing just what I hoped.  The real proposition for me is the entangled nature of the business, whereby they have big advantages in investing premiums received.   A bit like Warren Buffett's strategy with investing BH's insurance company floats, although L&G isn't allowed to to take BH's risks.  This is to say that I do think Legal & General (LON:LGEN) does have a meaningful 'moat'.

An old family member's mantra was "Never sell Shell".  Mine  to my family is "Never sell LGEN".  Never is a tricky word these days, but certainly not at the moment!  I believe within two years, with the Base Rate by then at 4% or lower, 7% from this highly defensive business will seem very reasonable, i.e. back to 300p or 25% up from now.  Which is nice, as a reasonable expectation of 25% in 2 years is my first hurdle on an investment. 

As yes, thanks to the team for covering it.  Much appreciating the spread.

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Yes, my family mantra is also “Never sell Shell”! Shell (LON:SHEL)

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I agree with your comments (I hold also) and appreciate the coverage above by the stockopedia team.  IFRS just seems to make the reporting even more complex for large companies like this.  I opened up the news links this morning and found it extremely difficult to align with the simplified Stockopedia data.  I thought we were looking at a significant miss relative to forecasts but clearly the drop in shareprice is not that big so presumably it is mostly in line!!!  Also bought as an income investment, I may also add to simplify my portfolio if it drops further.

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4imprint (LON:FOUR) feels like a bargain but I am concerned about the possible impact of tariffs on the company’s supply chain.

Had quite a close look through todays RNS and there is no mention of how much exposure there is to imports from Asia/China which I would imagine might be quite significant. 

Does anyone have a steer on this? I know that suppliers do a lot of drop shipping on behalf of Four so they don’t always take physical possession of goods -are any of the drop shipping suppliers outside the USA? If the country of origin is not USA then tariffs could be a problem although it would affect competitors equally and so maybe not disadvantage the business?

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The 2018 tariffs didn't really impact although this time round looks much worse (Mexico's inclusion for a start). I vaguely recall reading in one of their annual reports that some proportion is sourced domestically but don't hold me to that. The way I see it, FOUR is the clear market leader in a highly fragmented market with thousands of tiny competitors who likely don't have that much diversity in their supply base. More generally, economic turmoil usually leads to the strong getting stronger as we saw with FOUR during covid.

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I approach it like this: supply chains, Asia/China and tariffs don't bother me that much. Sure, it will hurt the business short term, but I'm prepared to take a long-term view.  Tariffs won't last forever, nor will recessions.

As Matthew's chart demonstrates (scroll down), it is gaining market share. It will have network effects. The company has continued to invest (Oshkosh distribution centre) despite conditions.

That's why I see drops like this as an opportunity to buy.

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100% in agreement on a longterm view, but would add that there is a good chance of further profit warnings in the near term and therefore the possibility of an even more attractive entry price ahead. The Trump administration have clearly articulated they are prepared to endure economic pain to execute their plan. A recession does not seem out of the question and FOUR is quite operationally geared.

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I wrote in more depth on this point https://mattbrazier.substack.c...

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Morning,

Cake Box Holdings (LON:CBOX) deal potentially interesting, have held these before, will you be having  a look?

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Hi JohnDoe, Cake Box Holdings (LON:CBOX) is next on my list!

Roland

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Ambala is an excellent business and well renowned in the UK Asian cakes market.

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I’m another who appreciates the wide range of Companies now being covered so well by the team, and  seeing Investment Trusts being included too. Aren’t diverse portfolios less risky than focusing our investments in one area, like only smaller companies? 

Also appreciated Roland’s update on Legal & General (LON:LGEN) today which I’ve held from 155p (and I’m envious of a friend who bought at just 30 p in the Banking  crisis crash in 2009 and has held ever since and gets 70% dividend each year). BUT these days is Legal & General (LON:LGEN) mainly an income share? It’s actually lower now than the 275p three years ago in March 2022? 

If buying new big dividend paying investments I look for ones with good capital gain potential as well. Is that likely with Legal & General (LON:LGEN) ? 

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Interesting debate on LGEN today - Personally I hate buybacks - we have seen enough examples of the money spent only to see the share price deteriorate but of course LGEN is in a different and much more complex area. Is there more capital gain to be found in M&G (LON:MNG) or £PHNX.  I just used the 'compare' facility here on Stocko but I reckon these companies are too complex for this. Maybe £HSBC ? Welcome thoughts

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I think Abrdn (LON:ABDN) which Timmar flagged is the best horse in this sectors race they have 10% of Phoenix group (LON:PHNX) worth circa £500 mil, £800 mil db pension surplus they are trying to access, roughly £500 mil in cash, own the II platform worth say £1.5 bil ? and you have the fund management arm no idea what that's worth, plus they have a board that now seems to want to sort out the disasters of the past.

Hopefully they will follow the Aviva playbook sell off all the non core/unprofitable parts of the business and drive the price upwards oh and 8% dividend yield also.

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Thanks Phoenix - Abrdn (LON:ABDN) - Just looked up broker sentiment - wow - 8 sell and only 3 buy plus 4 in the middle - hold. But IV tipped it as a buy earlier this month along with Aviva (LON:AV.) and £LGEN.

Broker sentiment very positive on these two,  especially on Aviva.  DYOR and take your pick!

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Abrdn (LON:ABDN) is more of an asset manager than the others, although that's not necessarily a bad thing. It's less capital intensive, in theory, but also has much more competition as a result. I can see their fund management business improving if stock markets around the world correct, funds are quite often run to contain capital losses  as well as provide income - sometimes this is lost when the market appears to be on a reasonably constant upwards trajectory.

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Hi Ken, good comments as ever.  The dividend on Legal & General (LON:LGEN) does indeed look attractive to me as a stand-alone `win`.  An attractive proposition for both a healthy dividend and prospective growth could be (note the words `could be`) Aviva (LON:AV.), which goes XD on April 10, with a yield of 7.12%, marginally short of that offered by L&G.  Plenty of upside forecasted in on Aviva, too.  It`s all a mystery to me . . . .

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Over time Legal & General (LON:LGEN) should gain, but not until it's once again considered sensible to invest in companies for the long term. They're never going to be exciting, but they have a relatively stable consistent income, and generally increase their dividend over the years. At the moment they're treated like basket cases by the market, costed as if the dividend could be cut at any time. Annuity sales are likely to grow in the coming years, some of which is related to impending changes to IHT on pensions; this can already be seen in the results. There's still plenty of scope for companies to de-risk their managed pension schemes too.

Phoenix group (LON:PHNX) has potential for capital gains, but it's still more focused on the back book than new business. There is, of course, more scope for Phoenix to grow new business given it's a relatively recent introduction; the growth is actually pretty decent, it would put a lot of startups to shame, but equally the back book is shrinking.

I don't see it as an either / or personally, they're my number 1 and number 2 holdings. I do have the advantage of having worked in annuities, both bulk and individuals so generally have an understanding of how the market works.  

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Thanks for the Legal & General (LON:LGEN) coverage.  I have very limited interest in small-cap stocks and welcome this as well as any commentary on US stocks.

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Thank you for the great LGEN overview Roland.  And may I say what an excellent ship Graham, you and the team have running here now. I feel like the coverage is helping a wider range of investors now and everything is always ready in the morning for us now. Big thumbs up from me, cheers 

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So nice to be starting to see more appreciative comments again. Makes much more pleasant reading. Thank you

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Avatar for Vijay Chudasama

Beeks Financial Cloud (LON:BKS) in freefall this morning (following chunking selling yesterday), anyone have any idea why?

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It might be due to this: https://www.investing.com/news...

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I top sliced at the end of the year when this was around 300p with the thought that it will fall down after excitement and I'll add back more when it comes down. Will hold off for now but don't consider selling more as it still has significant opportunities around the globe

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Thanks for the links. This, in my opinion, looks wholly unrelated to Beeks Financial Cloud (LON:BKS) since their service is publicly announced and available to anyone wishing to pay for it. In all likelihood, the Beeks offering would make this referenced service surplus to Nasdaq's requirements.

Just my take on the situation. Can be wrong...

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Well, a mixed bag for me today, as I have shares in HILS, FOUR, and tiny holding in CAKE.

FOUR I suspect that the thing that spooked investors was "480,000 new customer orders were received in 2024, down 9% compared to 2023. We acquired 280,000 new customers in the year, representing a decrease of 10% over the 311,000 acquired in 2023." Well, that and others. 

I don't know what colour code Roland will give it (I'm going to guess Amber/Green, let's see if I'm right), but I'm going to stick my neck out and say that this is a fairly good buying opportunity (and I'm sure others are going to disagree with me on this).  That share price has been walloped, and I think they key for me is that it is picking up market share. It's a question of riding out the absolute economic policy confusion (let's put it like that, anyway) that's reigning across the pond.

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Morning Mark, 

Graham covered FOUR and his comments are up now - but you were right to guess at AMBER/GREEN!

Roland

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I concur

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I just wanted to give you guys my appreciation of the job you are doing. It is most useful and I have to say you give very good alternative views on many stocks.

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On initial reading Hochschild Mining (LON:HOC) update looks great. However the return to shareholders looks modest. Any thoughts?

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It's better than nothing which  was the norm and has answered the question I posed on here last week.  I hold.

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