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Investment Trust , REIT and ETF's- Thoughts (September 2026)

Investment Trust , REIT and ETF's- Thoughts (September 2026)

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For more information on Investment trusts visit:

Association of Investment Companies.

https://www.theaic.co.uk/
Free to sign up. On the site you can create portfolios, screen and compare Investment Trusts by Geographic region, Sector , Yield and more. A few Trusts who are not AIC members have limited data.

Jonathan Davies's website https://money-makers.co/.

You can also sign up(Paid membership) for insights on Investment Trusts from him and others. Weekly email and podcast .

Citywire do a daily Investment trust email. Free, does have sponsored content but keeps you up to-date with Investment Trust news.

https://citywire.com/investment-trust-insider

Trustnet have an Investment trust section. https://www.trustnet.com/

Kepler Trust intelligence produce reports for Investment trusts

Edison cover Investment Companies and do a monthly Investment trust round up. You can sign up for free.

https://www.edisongroup.com/equities/investment-companies/.

You can sign up for newsletters/fact sheets from most of the Investment Trusts on their websites.

For ETF's I use https://www.justetf.com/uk/. You can screen buy region, sector and see performance comparisons.

August2026 Investment Trust Monthly Performance.

Top 10 (Equity only)

Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) +21.1%

Onward Opportunities (LON:ONWD) +19.7%

Molten Ventures (LON:GROW) +16.9%

Scottish Mortgage Investment Trust (LON:SMT) +12.6%

VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) +11.9%

Schiehallion Fund (LON:MNTN) +11.6%

Edinburgh Worldwide Investment Trust (LON:EWI) +11%

Pacific Horizon Investment Trust (LON:PHI) +10.7%

Baillie Gifford Shin Nippon (LON:BGS) +10.5%

Barings Emerging Emea Opportunities (LON:BEMO) +10.5%

Bottom 10 (Equity only)

Crystal Amber Fund (LON:CRS) -7.8%

Sure Ventures (LON:SURE) -7.7%

Ecofin Global Utilities and Infrastructure Trust (LON:EGL) -6.2%

CT Healthcare Trust (LON:CTHT) -5.8%

Schroder British Opportunities Trust (LON:SBO) -5.7%

British and American Investment Trust (LON:BAF) -4.4%

Lindsell Train Investment Trust (LON:LTI) -4.1%

Sts Global Income & Growth Trust (LON:STS) -2.6%

Brown Advisory Us Smaller Companies (LON:BASC) -2%

Blackrock Latin American Investment Trust (LON:BRLA) -1.8%

Top 10 All Trusts

Golden Prospect Precious Metals (LON:GPM) +35%

CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) +22.3%

Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) +21.1%

BlackRock World Mining Trust (LON:BRWM) +21%

Onward Opportunities (LON:ONWD) +19.7%

Geiger Counter (LON:GCL) +18.9%

Molten Ventures (LON:GROW) +16.9%

Scottish Mortgage Investment Trust (LON:SMT) +12.6%

VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) +11.9%

Schiehallion Fund (LON:MNTN) +11.6%

Bottom 10 All Trusts

Residential Secure Income (LON:RESI) -65.2%

Macau Property Opportunities Fund (LON:MPO) -21.3%

Ecofin US Renewables Infrastructure Trust (LON:RNEW) -12.7%

Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) -8%

Crystal Amber Fund (LON:CRS) -7.8%

Sure Ventures (LON:SURE) -7.7%

Ecofin Global Utilities and Infrastructure Trust (LON:EGL) -6.2%

CT Healthcare Trust (LON:CTHT) -5.8%

Schroder British Opportunities Trust (LON:SBO) -5.7%

Alternative Income REIT (LON:AIRE) -5%


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Avatar for Prof Calculus

Hi

I was looking at Town Securities (TOWN) , I am puzzled that they are not discussed much here.

Discount to nav is 45/50% ,Lord Lee invested and seem to have prudent family managment .

Therefore not sure why they are not discussed perhaps liquidity as mkt cap only £50m .

What am I missing ?

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I am way behind on my podcast listening as I no longer seem to have the time to listen to them - no weekly long commute to work and I think the wife might be a little upset if I listened to podcasts whilst we were out walking the dog together!!

However, I caught up with The Money Makers Podcast of 23rd September in which Richard Staveley of Rockwood Strategic (LON:RKW) was interviewed.

I hold this as a key part of my PF (to avoid me buying small-caps and losing money!!!!) and again he came across really well.

Going through his PF I can see plenty more growth to come - he has already had at least three takeovers in the last 12months and looks to try and double his investments in the following 3-5 years.............often very successfully.

Worth 30minutes of peoples time in my view.

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And as if by magic...........................Kepler produce a note on Rockwood Strategic (LON:RKW)

https://www.trustintelligence.co.uk/investor/articles/fund-research-investor-rockwood-strategic-rkw-retail-sep-2026?utm_source=RNS&utm_medium=research

Some good ideas amongst his PF for further consideration as single-company buys. Whilst I am tempted by a couple I keep reminding myself to focus on; Reducing holdings in my PF, build an 80% collectives PF (IT, UT & ETF's) and hold a decent cash-buffer ie. stop constantly investing it on small-company single shares!!!

I will probably do a bit of a top-up as there are some very good holdings here.

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Smiths News (LON:SNWS) looks a stunning bargain priced buy. If you haven already seen it, have a look at Graham Neary’s comments and green rating on the Daily Stock Market report yesterday.

Key extra points are that recent transformational acquisitions have changed SNWS from a Company in decline but paying big dividends and specials to compensate for that, in to a potential growth story.


What Graham didn’t cover, and we wont know until their full Results is the extend of costs involved for the acquisitions and the possible effects on the dividend.

The big current plus point is that the share is still priced as if Smiths News (LON:SNWS) is in terminal decline. It’s extraordinarIy cheap with yield currently higher than the low PE ratio. And despite the good news this year the share price is still down 7% year to date. So there’s potential big share price upside ahead. Meanwhile there’s the big dividend yield.

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AI generated (sorry)

  • No disclosed fuel hedge. Smiths News lists fuel as a risk but doesn't report hedging it. Its defences are weekly cost monitoring, cover price increases and a cost-out programme.
  • Outsourcing pushes the cost back rather than removing it. Subcontracted delivery partners buy their own diesel, so the first hit lands on them. It returns to Smiths News as higher route rates, typically a quarter or two later.
  • Recovery comes through pricing. Smiths News can recover some cost through retailer carriage charges, margin on cover prices and publisher contracts. But 93% of revenue is contracted to 2029, which limits how quickly terms can be reopened.
  • FY2026 has already absorbed some of the hit. Diesel rose from about 142p to about 183p during the second half, yet results beat expectations. That beat was driven by collectables, which may have masked the fuel drag.
  • Estimated volume is about 10m litres a year (range 8–12m). This is my estimate, not company data. VAT is reclaimable, so the effective cost is the pump price divided by 1.2.
  • Gross hit versus pre-war prices: £4.7m at £2.00, £6.0m at £2.15, £7.3m at £2.30. Against my rough FY2026 average of about 158p, it is about £3.5–6.0m. That is roughly 9–19% of about £38m operating profit.
  • Net impact depends on pass-through. With no recovery, EPS falls about 1.1–2.2p from roughly 11–12p, and the dividend falls in proportion because of the 2x cover policy. Recovering 50–75% leaves about £1–3.5m, which the cost-out programme could probably absorb.
  • Fuel exposure grows with national expansion. Customers rise from about 22,000 to over 38,000 from July 2027, raising litres from FY2028. That matters unless the new contracts were priced at today's fuel costs.
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Andrewb assume you are referring to Smiths News (LON:SNWS) ? I'd expect contracts in general for logistics services to be Cost Plus as the haulage industry have been caught out on the Diesel game previously. Could be wrong and may not apply to all aspects of the business/new contracts. Can anyone else clarify?

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I totally agree. Was discussing it with an old City mate yesterday. Those two deals have given them a 30% uplift in t/o and the option to bid for any nationwide recycling contracts or similar. Next 18 months will be expensive so profits won't run ahead until maybe the 28 or 29 year, but on a p/e of 7, that hardly matters. I believe they stated that they would pay a minimum 5.2p dividend for the next two years, so 6.8%.

This thing could double on a 3 year view.

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I’ve mixed feelings about the Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) Leeds Retail Park acquisition. It’s well placed right by an M1 exit, and good tenants like Next, Marks and TKMax but this acquisition also increases the debt and well over 40LTV. The next debt repayment is due in 2028.

The share price rose a bit on the news but then little share price reaction even to more obviously good news from REITs often doesn’t see much share price reaction at present. Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) looks well worth holding for patient investors happy with the 9% yield, and there’s a small chance of a bid. If looking for share price gains soon, then for most in the sector, it’s probably best to look elsewhere.

A possible exception is Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) where the share price is SO depressed and as Charles‘s list shows, it’s on such a high discount, Once things settle down from selling pressure resulting from the joint venture with Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) there’s a chance the share price recovery might be quite strong. Meanwhile, again there’s a great yield.

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The NRR deal was into a jv and presumably non-recourse (?). They get a fee for managing the retail park, not huge in the scheme of things but good not bad.

I hold the other two

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I do not hold SDCL Efficiency Income Trust (LON:SEIT) and would probably see on the news SABA's Boaz Weinstein and Devon Equity Management founder Richard Pavry are being suggested by SEIT to be non-exec's.

https://citywire.com/investment-trust-insider/news/saba-boss-boaz-weinstein-to-join-sdcl-energy-board/a2498993?refea=1918627&link_id=2345805

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I think a few hold Grainger (LON:GRI) - SABA has been increasing and is now at 8.9% - I wonder if they are going to pressure the board to break it up?

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I’m not surprised to see most housebuilders down as much as 5% after the big rally yesterday.

The exception (at least for now) is my preferred choice in the sector, Persimmon (LON:PSN) which is up another 8p.. I only hold Persimmon.

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What do you think of Michelmersh Brick Holdings (LON:MBH) Ken. Decent yield now after the share price fall of the last 18 months?

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I’m not tempted by Michelmersh Brick Holdings (LON:MBH) Charles. Amber rating from the daily team. Prefer BRCK (LON:BRCK)

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Yes better yield. I sold out of MBH at £1.05p so will just watch for now. I do like the specialist nature of the product, but maybe at the moment demand will remain subdued.

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Well, I'd add that BRCK (LON:BRCK) is also holding firm this morning with a more impressive dividend and a rejected offer of 65p in its back pocket from back in March this year, which in itself implies a 30% minimum uplift on any further, successful bid. Patience will surely out.

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Brucie- will add BRCK to my comparison list.

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Further thoughts on BRCK (LON:BRCK) : this interview between the two Paul's is highly instructive and follows the Atlas bid attempt.  PH appears to know the CEO and rates him highly.  More salient points:

-capital  light business, linking sellers to buyers

- has been sensibly acquisitive, including of a successful cladding  business

- has  ridden the building trough with 'inline' statements

- has incumbency advantage - ie, difficult to dislodge or reinvent its niche

- the 65p  bid by Atlas, a specialist PE in this sector (distribution) clearly underpriced the business - PH says at 80-90p, it would still rank for him as 'cheap'.

- the business is simply unloved, perhaps because unglamorous. Classic value/dividend play for the patient investor.

-  in this interview (end of March/April) PS says he's buying more at 53p.  The video is public access so I'm not  giving away anything - though I do recommend Paul Scott's service to anyone who doesn't know about it!

I'm rather pleased that yesterday's sector spike has brought it into my folio as it's been on edge of my radar for a long term, but never conveyed much sense of excitement!  QED.

At  39 minutes-

  Videos  https://www.youtube.com/live/r...

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Thank you.

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Thanks guys.  Good luck with our mutual holding, Charles  And yes please to the updates on Smiths News (LON:SNWS) and Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) , Ken. As you may know, I hold both in the Bruciefolio!

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That’s a really helpful reply to Charles about Brickability, Brucie. It hadn’t been on my radar but is now.

Another plus point is the dividend yield is higher than. the PE ratio, and that often reflects a very cheap share, as Graham Neary reminds us today for Smiths News (LON:SNWS) . I’ve held Smiths News for years now and their update today is very reassuring.

I’ll post on Smiths News (LON:SNWS) later, along with Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) after their Leeds acquisition news.

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Like a company with a Yeild higher than the PE- as long as the Div is safe. I bought some BRCK (LON:BRCK) this afternoon. I have held SNWS for a while, I am not sure why it is not more popualr as despite the gloom that the news business is dying they keep finding new models to use the distribution network.

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Thanks Brucie.

Managed to exit at around break even just after it started the fall. Lost interest and took it off my watch list - however, its firmly back on it now.

Cheers

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The link is to a Google sheet I used Claude AI to create of Trusts at near the bottom of the discount range.


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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kqqrpvQeWY8RSPqRNnTElCETlDmBjqjlDDxTy8jI0K0/edit?usp=sharing.


A trust I have never held but is at a historic wide discount is F&C Investment Trust (LON:FCIT). It is. a solid performer over 10 years so might be worth a look to buy as a hold and forget stock.

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That's a helpful little chart Charles. Worth adding in to the monthly header? Really flags the opportunity at Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) . Or is that just wishful thinking from a holder?

Also puts Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) into some perspective. I'm not convinced that Ackman has got his mojo back yet so even with the evident discount anomaly not sure I'd join you there. Prefer Artemis Global Income, Orbis Balanced and the likes until their winning streaks run out. I also have a chunk of my pension managed by SJP through their Polaris Fund. Just coming up to end of my first year in it and happy to accept the 12/13% return as a decent benchmark and sleep at night balance to my own endeavours and impulsiveness.

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Thank you. Claude AI is now my choice- Gemini through in the towel when asked and said not possible. I will see if I can add something for the monthly header.I bought some more SREI the other day ( and PSH).

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None of the 130 standard trusts is actually at its five-year widest right now. These are the 10 closest:

#TrustSectorDiscount now5y widest5y narrowestPosition

1

Ashoka India Equity (AIE)

India

-5.2%

-6.6%

+8.5%

9%

2

TR Property (TRY)

Property Securities

-10.1%

-11.5%

+1.2%

11%

3

Castelnau Group (CGL)

Flexible

-20.8%

-25.7%

+17.8%

11%

4

BlackRock Greater Europe (BRGE)

Europe

-7.7%

-9.4%

+4.1%

13%

5

Manchester & London (MNL)

Technology

-29.1%

-32.4%

-6.9%

13%

6

CT Global Managed Portfolio Growth (CMPG)

Flexible

-3.1%

-5.6%

+9.8%

16%

7

Impax Environmental Markets (IEM)

Environmental

-11.8%

-17.2%

+15.3%

17%

8

Aurora UK Alpha (ARR)

UK All Companies

-12.0%

-15.5%

+1.6%

20%

9

Ruffer Investment Company (RICA)

Flexible

-4.2%

-7.9%

+8.9%

22%

10

Lindsell Train (LTI)

Global

-13.6%

-26.7%

+26.2%

25%

How I defined "standard":

  • Kept: equity-type AIC sectors (UK, global, regional, smaller companies, tech, healthcare, resources, property securities and flexible), with a market value of at least £50m.
  • Left out: property funds that own buildings directly, private equity, infrastructure, renewables, debt, leasing, hedge funds, insurance and VCTs, plus a few oddities such as JPMorgan Emerging EMEA (its Russian holdings distort the figures), Tetragon and Syncona.

I should be able to tidy this up and add to the header if would be of interest.

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Thanks for this Charles. Personally I'd appreciate seeing maybe the top 5 or 10 at the beginning of each month. Perhaps try it for a couple of months and see if it highlights any gems? Please don't worry about it at all if it is much extra work. You do plenty already. Cheers

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Some cheer for holders of Chrysalis Investments (LON:CHRY) "The Capital Redemption will be implemented through the redeemable share mechanism described in the Articles of Incorporation. Cash payments due to Shareholders will be funded to the Company's registrar, Computershare, on or before 6 October 2026 and will be paid via CREST or, in the case of certificated holdings, by cheque. The latest payment date is expected to be 9 October 2026." Only 4.1% of one's holding, but a start !!

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Mobius Investment Trust (LON:MMIT) (I hold) Interesting article in Citywire this morning. I bought it because it holds different companies than many EM funds. Read here https://citywire.com/investment-trust-insider/news/the-unusual-stock-that-has-become-top-dog-at-mobius/a2498787?refea=1918627&link_id=2342903.


I cannot get the usual hyperlink button to work- reported.

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MMIT have just issued the latest Factsheet https://mcp-public.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/MMIT/Factsheets/28:08:2026_MMIT_Factsheet_August_2026.pdf

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Not quite on topic, but might be if you can find the right IT vehicle - but I'm curious as to what poster here feel about the morning's rise in housebuilders, following Labour's announcement on Friday of their Right to Buy 2.0 - call it what you will, and I hope it fares better than the last version, which mainly seemed to push up house prices. Obviously some large spikes across the board among in a highly depressed sector, which caused me to take a look. Curiously, Cairn Homes (LON:CRN) is pretty unruffled, and has somehow managed to continue a classic bottom left/top right trajectory for some time, making it an outlier. Also subject to a Green review by Graham earlier this month, who also cautioned it might be getting ahead of itself in buying back shares at these levels. But more typical of the sector are shares like Taylor Wimpey (LON:TW.), Barratt Redrow (LON:BTRW) , Persimmon (LON:PSN) - unlikely to go bust, but seemingly at secular (5 year) share price bottoms. Vistry (LON:VTY) an even more extreme case of distress.

Normally I'd be very cautious of a jump on news like this: it's likely to be a spike into which opportunist buyers quickly become sellers. Ideally, I find it best to wait until the trend changed has actually confirmed. The conundrum with the sector as a whole is all too familiar: house prices remain too high for people to buy, yet we remain both chronically and rather acutely short of houses for people to live in. I have two kidults myself, who both face this problem, so in theory i welcome any initiative that might help them get a foot on the ladder. And obviously, we need a successful housebuilding industry.

So what are your thoughts?!!!

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I have sold Taylor Wimpey (LON:TW.) . Personally I think this is a lot of hype about what will probably be a damp squib. There is no doubt long term value in the sector, but I only bought TW a few months ago and 11% suits be fine as a short term gain. If they fall back I would buy in again.

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Very smart.  Paul Scott seems rather more bullish and points out the opportunity in building related shares, including the recently rather distressed Ibstock (LON:IBST) , which  is sharply up the morning. Obviously I won't share any of his suggestions here, in case any of his subscribers are reading this - and I can  definitely recommend his daily blog coverage, if only for when certain market sectors seem as though they might be turning. I would say - independently of PS- that BRCK (LON:BRCK) has come across my radar before now as a pure brick play with decent value and quality metrics and an apparently rather generous dividend, which immediately draws my attention.  (Last reviewed by Roland Head on 16th September at amber/Green, while highlighting those same value and dividend attractions!) At 50p it also looks to be very near the bottom of its 5 year range, coming from an absolute nadir of 40p earlier this year. With a >7% dividend I'm very tempted to buy.

Edit: For the record I just picked up some BRCK (LON:BRCK) . I also notice from back scrolling the daily reports that it received and rejected a PE bid back in March for 65p. That may or may not be instructive as to base values on recovery. It also carried 60m in debt at that time, a figure which has not come down since, though the dividend seems well covered by earnings.

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I used to hold Michelmersh Brick Holdings (LON:MBH) but got concerned about demand. The issue I see is that planning still gets snarled up with appeals, Nimbyism etc. There will be a time but with the issue the economy is facing not sure the Burnham. (who I actually have time for and read his book Head North a while ago )can just flip a switch.

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HI Brucie,

I believe Cairn Homes (LON:CRN) is a Southern Irish builder, so probably no impact on UK decisions - also I think yesterdays announcements may only apply in England, so watch out for more Scottish based builders ie. Springfield Properties (LON:SPR) wherr there could be no impact if Swinney doesnt do something similar - although Springfield have their own potential catalyst.

My understanding of past incentives is that it does put some heat back into a very cold market, but there are a few issues to overcome - whilst all support is welcome, with interest rates looking to be on the rise it may not make it that much cheaper. In the past, whilst it got the builders moving, it still allowed them to raise prices, so this might not be the golden opportunity, but time will tell.

I think I would wait to see what happens in the next couple of months, but I have often missed the boat in the past by waiting to see what happens.

If I had to look anywhere, I'd possibly try and understand which brick suppliers provide to which companies and for the pure builders I'd be looking at the smaller/cheaper ones such as MJ GLEESON (LON:GLE)

Good luck to anyone investing here.

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I hold SPR, Kevin- it has a sound investment case with demand from the infrastructure companies in Scotland, and a good land bank, sold off surplus land to de-gear. Michelmersh Brick Holdings (LON:MBH) did well for me in the past and I see the yield is now 6% so will be having a look. They do higher quality bricks which I guess is not mass market but great for any conservation area. Last time I held it the yield was pretty low so might be the time to get back in.

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Brucie.

Don’t know whether the housebuilders gains today will be built on.

I hold Persimmon (LON:PSN) and they issued very good Results in August leading to a big share price gain on the day……but then the price fell back again. The same might happen again….the housebuilders have been bumping along at depressed prices for around 4 years.

Why I think Persimmon (LON:PSN) is the best choice is because of good yield around 6% before the big gains today along with upbeat updates. Their shares did very well in the last housebuilder boom and paid huge dividends. I bought Persimmon (LON:PSN) again after a long spell with no housebuilders, around £11. Don’t rule out the sector share prices falling back again, especially so on rising interest rates and much higher inflation thanks to that idiot Trump.

Always imo better to buy the dips than start buying when ther’s a big spike like today. As always, a part stake in your housebuilder of choice is a good compromise solution. At least you’re in, if the rally continues and can average down if there’s are further big falls ahead.

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If Trump does decide to ban diesel exports from the US the effect on diesel supply and prices here, and in many other Countries coukd be dire. Some are forecasting major diesel shortages leading to diesel prices as high as £3, and possibly rationing. Trump throws his Allies to the wolves and admires thuggish dictators. Has there ever been a worse US President.

Since diesel is used by Lorry’s , ships etc supplying food, clothing etc etc the likelihood of a big inflation rise and higher interest rates is obvious.

So far markets have risen a “wall of worry” during Trump’s Iran madness, but at some point ( possibly soon) there could be very big falls. It’s worth bearing that risk in mind when making our investment decisions.

Separately re trying to build a high yielding portfolio.

The time to have done it was when the UK Market were way too cheap with yields on some quality Investment Trusts and shares like Aviva (LON:AV.) Standard Life (LON:SDLF) M&G (LON:MNG) Legal & General (LON:LGEN) and others were not only available with double digit yields, but were also confident about increasing their dividends every year. Most of those opportunities have now doubled or more so their current yields are half what they were.

Bear markets are the time to buy bargains across the board, including potential big winning non dividend investments. Bull markets are the time to top slice or sell to raise cash for the inevitable next bear market.

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I think the hope is that as ever Ken the cretin doesn't understand what he is talking about by all counts US diesel storage is near highs, so the likes of Exon Mobil will have two choices keep exporting or throttle production and given they paid billions to get the fool in the chair they won't be keen on option two.

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Can we keep discussions on this thread polite please. I really do not want it to descend into what was pretty unpleasant on the DMSR thread. Thank you

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Noted Charles

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Thank you very much, it is a good thread I hope and we can discuss without needing to be personal.

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Hi Charles

I did a double take when I read TP's message but clearly he was being (very) rude about the current US president not our beloved ken.

On building stocks I have to say I've been interested for a while - Persimmon (LON:PSN), Genuit (LON:GEN) and Mortgage Advice Bureau (Holdings) (LON:MAB1) were my choices. The latter a very poor selection unfortunately. The sector's prospects look grim, and could stay that way a while as interest rates rise but it will turn eventually. And, in the meantime, these companies pay a decent income while I wait.

Of course, waiting may take a while ..

timarr

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Mortgage Advice Bureau (Holdings) (LON:MAB1) was a reasonable holding of mine and one I felt would still propser through the cycle as it is not reliant on new mortgages alone, with half of its revenue coming from remortgages which obviously occur throughout the cycle as fixed-termers come to an end.

I even topped up at one point, but having shown some good results a couple of years back - I have watched it slide continuously downwards more recently.

However, whilst painful to see it in my PF with a flashing "red" number I have confidence that at some point it will come back - it has an excellent management team with a clear vision and strategy to get there.

One I am not tempted to bail on and find a winner elsewhere, but simply to have the patience to await a) the housing market recovering b) the transformation delivering - and if both happen then great. I m ight even be tempted to top-up once I have some more resources.

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Re: Mortgage Advice Bureau (Holdings) (LON:MAB1)

Agree with all of that. The fall in new mortgages and the struggles to embed Fluent in the business have created a buying opportunity in my view. It's a good company, but it's unlikely to fly again until interest rates fall - and there's little sign of that on the horizon.

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I couldn’t see why Charles had posted that request until reading Phoenix’s post again. It’s all down to a missing comma. Without that comma his post reads as “Ken the cretin doesn’t understand what he is talking about.”   Hence Charles’s request for us not to get personal.

With a comma put in after the word Ken, it immediately becomes obvious that Phoenix is referring to Trump and not me. Surprising isn’t it that a simple comma can change a whole meaning.

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Hi ken

Lynne Truss write a whole book about the impact of misplaced punctuation marks: Eats, Shoots and Leaves. Very good it is too.

TP is far too nice to be rude about other posters. Mr Trump however ... :)

timarr

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I'm hopeless with grammer Ken got a c at o'level English as mentioned in Tim's post I have the upmost respect for yourself and all posters on here no fan of Trump apologies bad grammer made it look like I was having a pop at you as that most certainly isn't the case.

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Never too late to learn Phoenix! Come and join us pedantic followers of punctuation. Just start with the odd full stop and a few capital letters. We'll all feel better for it and opportunities for misinterpretation might reduce. Enjoy your contributions anyway so don't stop regardless.

More seriously, interesting news from Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) today with their new capital light Retail Parks division. 25% stake and fees for managing on behalf of Singaporean partners, hopefully with deep pockets. Acquisition of Leeds Retail Park to kick it off. For those in the area is it a good one? Tenant range seems decent. Springs at M1 Jnct 46.

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Phoenix

Don’t worry. I read your post in the way you intended (I.e that you were having a go at Trump and not me). I know you avoid personal attacks and really enjoy reading all your posts. Don’t get bothered about minor punctuation errors It’s only occasionally that it leads to serious misunderstandings. Far better just continuing to post as you do now.

I also agree with Charles about threads being ruined by personal attacks on posters, but it has never happened on the great Investment Trust threads. There have been strong disagreements (e.g with my views on buybacks) but that’s healthy, and when it’s on the pros and cons for a Trust or share can really help with our subsequent investment decisions.

I don’t normally go for personal attacks on any politicians, , but do on Trump because he is so ignorant and has caused so much obvious chaos worldwide. And his foul treatment of Allies while admiring tyrants beggars belief.



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Thanks Ken this is a great thread , same as you I can forgive most things but Trump has done so much damage to the world and the alliance which is going to mean a far more dangerous earth moving forward.

I also fully endorse Charles view of keeping things good natured here especially as a really good poster left Stocko six months or so back due to a dispute on the most popular daily thread.

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On this thread, just like running a country maths is more important than the positioning of a comma !

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Thanks Tim no fan of Trump but upmost respect for Ken so sincerely hope it didn't come across otherwise,

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Phoenix- Apologies- I think I rather over-reacted. I am sorry.

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No problem Charles I'm a very easy going fella but was thinking "i'm only having a pop at Trump why is Charles taking this badly" as mentioned upmost respect for yourself and Ken for the work you both put into this thread.

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I had a moment ! And I know your a good poster. Sorry again.

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For accurate and right up there to date full information on dividends this site is superb. (Don’t know why it doesn’t appear in the usual clickable link).

https://www.dividenddata.co.uk

Just look at and use each of the headings. The “more” heading at the end lists all those with monthly and quarterly dividends. There are loads of high yielding ETFs paying monthly dividends. Twentyfour Select Monthly Income Fund (LON:SMIF) (I hold) is the only share or Investment Trusts paying monthly.

When I wrote how up to date the info there is, it’s because as soon as a dividend amount and ex dividend and pay date is announced it is on this dividend data site.

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Investor Meet Company this coming week.

Target Healthcare Reit (LON:THRL) Full Year Results
28th Sep 2026 at 10:00am BST

Us Solar Fund (LON:USF)

Interim Results for the period ended 30 June 2026
28th Sep 2026 at 4:00pm BST

India Capital Growth Fund (LON:IGC)

Quarterly Investment Update
30th Sep 2026 at 11:00am BST

AVI Japan Opportunity Trust (LON:AJOT)

Interim Results
1st Oct 2026 at 10:00am BST

Foresight Solar Fund (LON:FSFL)

Interim results for the half-year ended 30 June 2026
2nd Oct 2026 at 11:00am BST

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Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) seems to have stopped falling after the Picton takeover so I have increased my holding. I had bought more SREI on the drop last week. The sector is out of favour at the moment so on a medium term view seems a good time to take advantage of price weakness and increase both to a full holding.

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Hi Charles

Hope you are well. Do not disagree on @Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) ( i have a small holding from one of the numerous takeovers- AJ Mucklow I think) and have been watching the price given it is now something a sector behemoth I am wondering what it does when all the likely targets have been hoovered up as REITs outside offices and retail seem to be a very rare breed. The quality of those that remain is more doubtful

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I have bought back into China through Fidelity China Special Situations (LON:FCSS) . A smiling Trump at the summit with XI also smiling makes me think China probably did a good deal and let Trump think he had won. Cynical maybe but the Chinese market has fallen overall since Nov 25 . So I might be early but at the level I would rather be in than out. Plus FCSS pays a 3.5% dividend according to the AIC.


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Coincidentally Charles I’ve just added to my Jpmorgan China Growth & Income (LON:JCGI) with a 5% yield and enhanced dividend policy. I also hold Fidelity China Special Situations (LON:FCSS) Hope our optimism is justified!

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Glad the Mitchell’s are in tune !!

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I have a long standing aversion to ITs that enhance their dividend by paying from capital. Not looked to closely at said list of highwaymen but me thinks some may indulge in buy backs as well which seems well beyond the pale

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Hi Martin, you raise two interesting points.

1. Enhanced Dividends - I just checked the dividend yield of Vanguard FTSE All-World UCITS ETF USD Dis (LON:VWRL) and it is currently running at around 1.25%. I’m sure we can all find growth focused ITs or ETFs that do not pay an enhanced dividend and have a similar natural yield. If that level of income is sufficient to support your needs, then fine. But that’s an income of around £50k on a £4m pot.

Therefore, most retirees need to enhance their income in some way and for most this would mean selling capital to make up the gap between the natural yield and their income needs. What is the difference between an individual doing this and the fund manager doing it for you and paying an enhanced dividend?

2. Share Buybacks - I am not a huge fan of buybacks generally but for ITs trading at a discount to NAV where those assets are marked to market, surely it makes sense to do so?

This said, I am not in favour of them using debt for this purpose. And it is a different scenario altogether when assets are not marked to market.

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Hi Simon.

I’ll reply on dividends another time.

For now just this on the merits or otherwise of Investment Trusts buying back their shares to reduce the discount. Unfortunately, though it looks a sensible thing to do, in reality time and time again the discount stays wide.

Here is a part of one of my posts here:-

“Unfortunately far too often buybacks fail to narrow a wide Investment Trust discount. An extreme example is Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) who have spent at least £1.5 BILLION buying back their shares since 2017. The discount is still a very wide 37%!

So never let a buyback to reduce the discount policy as a key reason to buy any Investment Trust.

Note btw that Pershing Square Holdings () is DOWN 25% so far this year.

Also note that they haven’t given up on buying back. Their latest programme started in May.”

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I’m not sure Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) is the best example Ken (for example, didn’t the UK’s largest investment platform stop people buying it?) but I take your point that buybacks don’t always close the discount. I’m not sure that’s the only point though, it is simply good business to buy more of your assets when they are trading at a discount, no?

That said, like you I am generally anti-buybacks so I won’t Labour the point.

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Simon.

I could list many Trusts buying back long term to reduce the discount and where it has failed miserably.

e.g VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) have been buying back for at least 2 years now and the discount (16% when I last looked) hasn’t narrowed. The Fund Manager has moaned about the buybacks failing but continues with them. I guess it’s big investors who insist he does.

VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) have not wasted money on buybacks, yet the share went to a premium (unlike for VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) and Vietnam Enterprise Investments (LON:VEIL) who both buy back) not so long ago. VNH has gone to a discount now but imo starting buybacks to try and reduce it, wouldn’t work.

So many investors, big and small, are persuaded by the convincing case for them, But so often the reality is that it could have been much better to use the £millions wasted on them trying to find successful investments.

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Hi Simon

I do take your point, these are just not for me as I see drawdown when markets have fallen as just a plain bad decision. I think a classic example of this was the little bereaved European Assets Trust which consistently was one of the worst performing Europeans. I am terribly old school in this I am afraid and generally not an ETF investor. As to buy backs, I understand why you would do these but eventually they shrink the asset base to such an extent that Saba come along.....

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I agree that drawing down capital in bear markets is not optimal. Therefore, what would your income strategy be for a retiree who needs to withdraw more than the natural yield of their portfolio?

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Ken, Charles - I've been sitting on about 3k cash in my ISA share account, unsure about markets (as always when there's turmoil - which seems to only get worse), and unsure what if anythin g to buy.

So your respective posts on China made me have a look at FCCS and JCGI Jpmorgan China Growth & Income (LON:JCGI) , both on my watchlist but I also had JEMI JPMorgan Emerging Markets Dividend Income (LON:JEMI) on my list so decided 50/50 JEMI and JCGI - leaving FCCS for another day.

JEMI is income and growth and has quite a different holdings, eg within the top 10 are Lenovo, Media Tec, SK hynox and oddly The National Bank of Greece, along with more known names as Taiwan Semi Conductor and Samsung. It's done extremely well so decided to give it a go, bought JEMI at 212p, JEMI yield 2.8%, -8.3 %to NAV, JCGI bought at 251p.

I'm currently fully invested, makes me wonder if that's right in the current extremely uncertain times and when some here are saying they keep a lot of cash just in case and for opportunities, one even 50% in cash, not sure that's right either, I know you can't 'time' the market. My investment horizon is not that long however, - don't really plan beyond 5 years and I'd rather get out at the top than wait for more and possibly a crash or retrace, it can take years for any crash to repair itself.. Moved about 10% of my holdings into cash money market for the time being.

Not looking for 'advice'' on this one, no one really knows

Both of you, many thanks as always.

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I have given up trying to time markets. Rarely works for me and keeping invested seems to work medium term. JEMI is good. I am not brave enough to go cash more than 20% if I am really nervous and then tends to be short term. Those who say they go 100% cash are very brave in my opinion. Markets are what they are just a market place. There do seem to be more buyers than sellers normally- given the weight of money coming in through pension plans etc not surprising. I have never known a big life company, Open ended or closed ended fund etc suddenly go go cash- the market would not absorb it. They tend to just stop buying for a period.

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Hi dartagnan

Here’s a brief reply to your post.

1. Re “not sure about markets.” We can’t forecast markets. What we can do is to prepare for market falls with our investment decisions. I agree with Charles that we can’t time markets.

2. Being fully invested in a big bull market is risky. I’ve posted my preferred tactic many times here,as has George54. It’s simple. Top slice and sell to raise cash after very strong market gains to raise cash available to invest when there are bargains galore after big market falls.

3. My golden rule is to sell immediately on a profits warning and when we have serious doubts about a share or Investment Trust. Look to hold on to our big winners all the while news updates are positive. But top slice if the gains lead to any share or Investment Trust becoming too big a proportion of our portfolios. Or top slice a bit to raise cash.

4. If we want to test the quality of our portfolio, there should be very few losers,and those losses should be small, right now. It’s during a bear market that our shares or Trusts that were doing well that might fall to losses.

5. A warning sign for a share we hold is when the price is falling while similar shares are rising. If the whole sector is falling, then it’s likely just those sector falls and not issues with a share we hold in that sector.

It’s much harder finding new buys now because so many once bargain basement shares and Investment Trusts have soared. Where there are potential buys, and/or still cheap sectors, there are regular suggestions by posters here.

Hope whatever decisions you make from here work really well for you.

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Apparently Xi invited up to 100,000 US students to visit the country to see what they’re doing in AI etc…with a lot of talk about slowing up AI development in the US and Bernie Sanders Bill to halt its progress, China could easily pull away into the distance and benefit accordingoh.

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It is possible the US AI firms are being disingenuous and are just trying to get  the anti-trust laws removed from AI so they can co-operate rather than constantly competing and rushing out new versions. Time will tell but I see China in a strong position with firm state support.

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Very possible Charles, I listen to the All-In podcast every week, those guys are extremely switched on to the tech sector, excellent listening, altho a good percentage of it goes well over my head. 
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/...

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Hi Charles

Are you positioned any where for the Anthropic float?

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Not involved, use  laude a d it is great, but I do not get the valuations. 

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The cynical "wise guy" view works out to be correct a lot of the time!

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While I am still gutted that the market has rejected the SDCL Efficiency Income Trust (LON:SEIT) business model, I am happy to see they are recommending the appointment of NEDs from their two biggest shareholders. I would have thought that this instant alignment with 42% of their shareholder base makes it an interesting special situation. After all, getting anywhere close to the most recent NAV over the next two years would easily give a 50% uplift. Strong hold. If I had speculative money left over, I would consider buying more.

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But presumably no return to dividend in the meantime?

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Correct, I'm afraid. They are reducing debt.

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Hi Ken, I think one of the big advantages for investment trusts over ETFs is that they can pay enhanced dividends and/or build up revenue reserves. I remember during the Covid panic, many ITs were able to maintain dividends while many companies were cutting/reducing dividends which therefore, had a knock on effect for ETFs which tend pay out based on the underlying dividends received.

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I’ve read a lot more now on the plus and minus points for ETF’s and Investment Trusts and like taggedtp concluded that overall ETF’s don’t appeal, so I’ll be sticking to Investment Trusts. I don’t feel strongly anti ETF’s and woukd not try and put off the many fans here now buying them from continuing to do so.

The balance is much closer than for Unit Trusts/Open Ended Funds which I would only buy if there isn’t a similar Investment Trust.

Unfortunately the AI information I pasted yesterday didn’t work properly and left out key information,

e.g on gearing (borrowing) the AI post showed correctly that ETFs don’t use gearing, and it was an advantage over Investment Trusts which can, because gearing mean bigger share price falls for Investment Trusts That’s right. But successful Investment Trusts use gearing to enhance the gains when they are doing well.ETFs can’t do that.


As for Unit Trusts ….no thanks! Investors can’t sell a Unit Trust immediately, which could be a real problem in a dramatic market fall. And when a lot of investors want to sell, Unit Trusts sometimes have to sell investments at depressed prices in a bear market (often the ideal time to be buying!) to raise the Funds to pay big investors wanting out….as happened with that awful Neil Woodford Unit Trust. . And if selling demand overpowers them, then Unit Trusts suspend all trading and their investors are locked in to possibly big further falls.

And like ETFs Unit Trusts always trade at NAV. So no big discount buy opportunities.

Don’t go near a Property Unit Trust Trust! Properties ca’t be sold at the drop of a hat, and in serious Property downturns Unit Trusts have sometimes had to suspend all selling for months.

Investment Trusts don’t have to sell anything if there is a a similar wave of selling. Instead their share prices can go to extreme discounts instead, creating fabulous buy opportunities as happened for Commercial Property Trusts in the 2020 covid Commercial Property sector crash. That’s when I bought some of mine including Aew UK Reit (LON:AEWU) which was then on a big discount (unlike now) and payimg a 13% dividend yield! That 8p dividend was never cut.

So, obviously, each to their own on these things, but for others wondering whether they are missing out by not trying to get up to speed on ETFs, imo you‘re not.

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I think what you miss about ETF's- well for me at least- is they offer exposure to opportunities I could not get through an Investment trust or unit trust. So I hold iShares Copper Miners UCITS ETF USD (Acc) (LON:MINE) for exposure to copper miners, Wisdomtree Commodity Securities (LON:ALUM) for aluminium exposure Vanguard FTSE 250 UCITS ETF GBP Dis (LON:VMID) to track the FTSE 250 Index, iShares Core MSCI EM IMI UCITS ETF USD Acc (LON:EMIM) for the smaller emerging markets index, First Trust Nasdaq Cln Edge SG Infra UCITS ETFAUSD (LON:FGRD) for exposure to clean energy in the US mainly- which is relevant to data centres, WisdomTree Physical AI Humanoids and Drones UCITS - USD Acc ETF (LON:PAIG) for exposure to robots and drones, iShares MSCI Poland UCITS ETF USD (Acc) (LON:SPOL) for Poland, Invesco S&P 500 Equal Weight Swap UCITS ETF Acc (LON:RSPB) to be exposed to the S&P500 equally weighted rather than just heavily weighted to the big 5.

In the past used ETF for exposure to Korea, Gokld and Silver.

So in my opinion they have a use. As we know with trusts discounts can remain large for extended periods, but yes the gearing effect of a narrowing discount, a geared trust can lead to great results.

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Thanks for the reply. Charles.

I am sorry if my post didn’t make it clear enough that I am not anti ETF’s and nor am I trying to put anyone off buying them.

And yes they have plus points over Investment Trusts especially so the chance to buy “unusual” sectors. My posts were aimed, not at ETF fans but for people like me wondering. whether it was a must to buy them when we are happy with our existing portfolio. Once finding out that overall Investment Trusts have more plus points, I decided no it wasn’t.

I posted in case there were other readers and posters here also wondering whether it was essential to get up to speed on ETF’s. Turns out there were.

But to get this across again I am not trying to put anyone off buying ETF’s.



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I agree Ken.

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Basic index tracker ETF's to be honest are really simple. Much like any other tracker unit trust except 1. you buy through your broker and pay a dealing fee when buying/selling and 2. dealing is pretty much immediate. You just really need to know the index you are buying. + it makes sense to review the holdings.


One other point ETF's can go large on single holdings - eg if a stock is 30% of the index then depending on the individual ETF it can go 30%. There are equal weight ETF's which do the opposite and allocate the same percentage of capital to every constituent company regardless of its size. When you look at the Mag7 for example that does give you the option to trade between the two methods (on thin spreads) if one is minded.

The non tracker / active ones however - there the devil is in the detail and each one requires much more thought. Unlikely to be for me.



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Thanks for all your ETF information. It could be useful for those looking to invest in them.

I’ve decided against because I’m happy with my current portfolio, which consists of many quality high yielding (and some are now very high yielding) shares and Investment Trusts.

But I’m not anti ETFs and wouldn’t post against them,not least because my knowledge on them is limited.

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With so much enthusiasm for ETFs here, I’ve been wondering whether I am missing out not buying any. So I decided to try and find out whether they outperformed Investment Trusts in the same sectors. AI reply shows that overall they don’t.

The key negative for me is that unlike Investment Trusts , ETFs rarely trade at a discount. In the past I’ve had wonderful Investment Trusts buys that went to 50% discounts at the depth of bear markets which as much as ten bagged from my buy price. e.g Geiger Counter (LON:GCL).

Much lower Management fees are a key plus point for ETFs. Here’s the AI info:-

Because ETFs are predominantly passive (index-tracking) and Investment Trusts are actively managed, performance varies based on structural mechanics rather than just stock picking. [1, 2, 3]

FeatureExchange-Traded Funds (ETFs)Investment Trusts

Management Style

Mostly Passive (tracks an index)

Primarily Active (stock-picking)

Gearing (Leverage)

❌ Not permitted to borrow money

Investment Trusts are Permitted to borrow to invest

Fees

When ETFs Outperform

  • Efficient Markets: In highly liquid, heavily researched sectors (like US Large Cap equities), active managers rarely beat the index consistently over time. ETFs often win purely on lower fees. [1, 2]
  • Downturns: Because investment trusts use "gearing" (borrowing money to buy more assets), they fall faster and harder during sector sell-offs. [1, 2]

  • Can ETFs Go to a Discount?

Yes. Even though ETFs are designed to trade exactly at their Net Asset Value (NAV), they can and do trade at a discount (or premium) under specific market conditions: [1, 2]

  • The Authorized Participant (AP) Mechanism: ETFs utilize specialized institutional market makers called Authorized Participants. If an ETF falls to a discount, the AP buys the cheap ETF shares on the open market, redeems them for the underlying basket of stocks, and sells those stocks for a profit. This arbitrage quickly forces the ETF price back to NAV. [1, 2, 3]
  • When Discounts Happen anyway:
    • Extreme Volatility: During a market crash, the underlying assets may become so illiquid or volatile that APs cannot safely complete the arbitrage fast enough, causing temporary steep discounts.
    • Time Zone Discrepancies: An ETF trading in London or New York that tracks Asian equities will often see its price deviate from its NAV because the underlying Asian exchanges are closed while the ETF is actively trading. [1, 2]

Unlike Investment Trusts—which can trade at structurally permanent 10% to 20% discounts because their share supply is fixed—an ETF's discount is almost always fleeting and narrow (often fractions of a percent).[1, 2, 3]

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Thanks for that, Ken, which I find reassuring. I don't have that much spare time, and I'm so glad I don't now feel I HAVE to understand ETFs as well. ITs and few specific individual stocks is my happy hunting ground. I'm toying with going back into Central Asia Metals (LON:CAML) with the copper and zinc prices finally doing what they were meant to. I need to do more on the takeover they are going for, and I have my concerns that they will wind up cutting the dividend to pay for the development, as so often happens with miners, but the possibility of 9+% is tempting, even if they are just XD...

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I know it’s always dangerous to be over bullish about a share a poster here is pondering whether to buy, but for Central Asia Metals (LON:CAML) the plus case looks very strong.

I bought Central Asia Metals (LON:CAML) after what looked excellent Results on August 26th. I paid 171p compared with just 160p today, and I averaged down at 167p recently.

Here the link for those August Results:-

https://www.stockopedia.com/a/share-prices/central-asia-metals-LON:CAML/news/01a03ca9-0921-796b-9f9f-41417c8810a3

The recent share price fall is probably because of regulatory delays for their Cygnus buy. CAML updated on that on Wednesday and are confident it is going through.

Here the link and note that October 12th target date:-

https://www.stockopedia.com/a/share-prices/central-asia-metals-LON:CAML/news/01a0cd70-ed67-71ad-af73-4fb6e8aad919

That buy enhances their exposure to copper. Electric cars need 4 times more copper, and it is apparently used for solar panels too. So that Cygnus buy looks good.

Unlike many other Mining shares CAML hasn’t seen a big increase. It is down over 20% over 5 years. And anyone disappointed at missing the recent dividend……well I’m getting it by am down 7% since buying, It looks a strong buy but I would welcome contrary views!


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I have followed CAML over a number of years and held for a reasonable period in that time.

In the recent Interims the CEO talks about Kounrad and copper and the Cygnus acquisition. No mention of Sasa.

Kounrad has been a wonderful operation but is in its wind down period, albeit the 13,000 MT of copper a year is produced at really low prices and copper is riding high. Management have done really well with this operation. Only a few years remaining of operations here.

However they have been in Kazakhstan for years and years and were unable to find any other opportunities - and Kaz is hugely mineral rich.

Sasa has been an unmitigated bad buy. Once again though CAML have proven to be good managers of this underwhelming asset but it has not washed its face.

They nearly managed to buy a copper exploration company in Arizona which had very good potential, but when a PE company got involved and bid up the price, CAML walked away. Very smart in my opinion, don't overpay.

The Cygnus deal looks excellent - albeit only 120,000 t of contained copper.

CAML have shown themselves excellent operators, so if this deal goes through I believe that CAML will get it into production efficiently.

The ore body needs to be grown.

So CAML remains on my watch list, but if I owned it, I would probably sell and buy a different copper asset.

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Hi Ken Central Asia Metals (LON:CAML) I hold as well and whilst I like the Cygnus buy to me the Management has a lot of questions to answer. I posted on this after the presentation of the results. I think it a ' weak hold' and then for the dividend only. Lots cash has been invested in Aberdeen and drilling in Kaz but to seemingly zero effect. Hedging losses and if the copper price does not hold up then how is bringing Cygnus to production going to be funded other than by cutting the dividend ( this would make sense long term but upset a lot of holders.....) Lots of questions

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I have some sympathy for the points raised by Terry Smith on ETFs - the money goes in and is just invested into the companies - no price discovery. So whilst everyone is buying ETFs those prices will go up and when everyone sells the price will drop.

With ITs you have a manager who will be making a decision on whether or not to buy - is it good vale? Over valued? Really expensive?

I am very pro ITs for this reason.

However ETFs can give you huge coverage of smaller/ less well covered areas. eg if you like silver miners, no IT for just silver miners.

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Hi Gosoftly,

You wrote: "I have some sympathy for the points raised by Terry Smith on ETFs - the money goes in and is just invested into the companies - no price discovery. So whilst everyone is buying ETFs those prices will go up and when everyone sells the price will drop."

This argument can be used against index-tracking OEICs as well as index-tracking ETFs. However, there will always be some participants in stock markets who are active traders, and they are the ones who determine prices.

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Re ETF's Id just add these were traditionally "passive" index funds but more recently especially over last couple of years "Active ETF's" are now very popular. David Stephenson has previously highlighted active ETFs as a threat to the IT industry. Some other differences other than those mentioned - active cannot hold illiquid / unlisted entities, or if they can it is only to a limited extent and also cannot hold dividend reserves to smooth distributions the way IT's can.

+ ETF's generally have very tight spreads (as mentioned) making them popular with traders.

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A trust new issue- almost forgot these happened ! M&G Credit Income Investment Trust plc is an investment trust focused on generating a stable income stream with relatively low volatility. Rather than investing in equities, it invests mainly in a diversified portfolio of public and private debt instruments, with at least 70% held in investment-grade credit.

The portfolio includes corporate bonds, private loans, asset-backed securities, social housing debt and other credit investments. Over time, the trust expects to increase its exposure to private credit, which can offer higher yields than traditional public bonds.

The trust is raising new funds to meet continued strong investor demand and provide additional capital for investment in attractive public and private credit opportunities. The additional capital will help the trust grow its diversified portfolio while continuing to deliver attractive income and maintaining a low-volatility approach.


An AI summary is this

"Key Yield & Metric Highlights

  • Target Return / Dividend Policy: The trust targets an annualized total return of SONIA (Sterling Overnight Index Average) + 4.0% per annum based on the NAV at IPO, paid out via quarterly dividends.
  • Current Trailing Yield: The share price yields approximately 7.8% – 8.0% (calculated on trailing 12-month dividend payouts relative to the share price).
  • Quarterly Dividends: Recent quarterly dividends have run at approximately 1.73p to 1.75p per share.
  • Pricing for New Shares: Ordinary shares under tap or retail issuances are typically placed at a slight premium to the NAV per share."


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Thanks for the update Charles. Have owner this for a while in the income portfolio

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Must have misread it thought AJ Bell said new issue. Sorry. 

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Also posted this on the DMSR. Citrini Research, the ones who posted a SCiFi article (Feb 2026) which was largely responsible for the SaaSpocalypse selloff have an update. Very topical because META have just launched "MUSE". https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/agentic-reality

Previous Article (forward looking educated SciFi): AI destroys software → software valuations collapse → employment collapses → economy suffers.

> They did say it was written partly as a thought exercise and I believe they were surprised by how much traction their article got. A blog version of a viral video perhaps.

Latest Article written to be much less controversial methinks: AI agents change the economics of consumer behaviour./ Who owns the customer when the customer no longer does the shopping?

> Note admits "the card companies are probably not going to be the losers here" as they suggested VISA and MasterCard may be at risk in Feb

My take is: the winners will be those companies that can effectively take advantage of how AI changes the economics of consumer behaviour. And gets the timing (and IT decisions) correct, not too early not too late - if you are relying on individuals across the planet to change their buying behaviour (and for them to trust AI to make purchases) there will be early adopters, there will be later adopters, but the key question is when does the critical mass make the change. IE YES ITS POSSIBLE, BUT WILL IT AND WHEN.

It will be interesting to see how the likes of Salesforce perform over next week or two. Although the MUSE thing seems to be creating a stir so muddy waters.

Side thought: Pershing Sq - 13 Aug 26 - six new holdings, including Netflix NFLX.O, Visa V.N and Mastercard MA.N, marking the billionaire investor's biggest portfolio overhaul in years. Putting this with the Citrini thing only suggests Ackman might be on the right path, long way to go.

All very interesting from a wider world point of view if not for the investment.

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Interesting. As some-one who thinks AI can be positive I am invested in datacentres (Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) and others like Hill & Smith (LON:HILS) who put bits in them. Volex (LON:VLX) is another. Also an ETF First Trust Nasdaq Cln Edge SG Infra UCITS ETFAUSD (LON:FGRD) .

I also bought back into Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) this week.

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Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIC) 

Space investment more than doubled to $23 billion in year to June, report says

https://newsfile.refinitiv.com...

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Congrats George on your Pollen Street (LON:POLN) steer a few days back.

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Charles and others, enjoyed the nostalgia today. Never been involved in exchange etc but it was nationalisation and the BigBang that 'sort of' introduced me to stock dealing but in only small way at the time, couldn't afford much then and saw it is very risky. Family not keen either. In the early days my buying involved visiting my bank and paying £25 and stamp  duty for the privilege, Added significantly to cost per share at amounts i could afford but it mainly  went well over time

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And we got paid to this !!

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I hold iShares MSCI Poland UCITS ETF USD (Acc) (LON:SPOL) . This news sounds positive for the Polish economy.

"Taiwanese technology companies led by Foxconn are on track to build a multibillion-dollar hub in Poland centered around AI servers and EV parts that experts say will accelerate industrial development in the European Union and bolster ties between the bloc and the Asian island.

A formal agreement between Poland and the Taiwan Electrical and Electronic Manufacturers' Association (TEEMA) is expected by year-end. The hub at Miekinia, near Wroclaw in Poland's southwest, will span up to 280 hectares and was previously reserved for Intel before the U.S. chipmaker pulled out last year to cut costs.

A Polish state aid package worth 7.4 billion zlotys ($1.96 billion) meant for the Intel project is expected to be repurposed to benefit TEEMA members that join the hub."

Full article here https://asia.nikkei.com/busine...

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Decent interview with Bankers IT - Richard Clode here:    https://www.investorschronicle...

Also happened to listen to most recent "the-companies-and-markets-show" where they discussed Supermarket Income reit and that it has a lot of rejnts with an annual RPI cap of 4%. I guess you would know this but thought Id mention.

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Greencoat UK Wind (LON:UKW) - for holders, this video by Kepler Trust is refreshes  my case for holding strongly, as well as  reminding me about the sectoral dynamics.  I also hold Renewables Infrastructure (LON:TRIG) .  Of course a Reform victory in 2028/9 would put the spanner in the works, but that would probably be the least of it.  The future meanwhile, is via electrification.

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But see Poland comments above, Massive shift to wind in N of country AND they built the grid too

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Thanks Snowdrop. Have duly read the post on Poland  but not sure what your point is re UKW.

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For anyone interested in Strategic Equity Capital (LON:SEC) annual results - a flat year, but some interesting smaller companies held.  I don't hold currently but have in the past.

https://greshamhouse.com/wp-co...

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Pollen Street (LON:POLN) - my current PE choice looks a bit perky this morning.  I discover it's issued a statement.  A shame if it  happens, but that seems to be the way of things at the moment.  Nevertheless, all very speculative at this stage.  Meanwhile, what I do like about it, is that  we're paid to wait.

Pollen Street Group Limited Announcement regarding media speculation - ADVFN

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Indeed, alas -  a largish portion of my portfolio which is paying me around 8% divi. I'll be sorry to see it taken over.

I think it was Grecian (from the old MW board) that first drew my attention to Pollen - so my thanks again for that steer. 

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Foresight Solar Fund (LON:FSFL) "The Board is frustrated that shareholders continue to suffer from a share price that has traded at a material discount to NAV for a prolonged period and are resolute in the view that change must be accelerated to address the situation. Accordingly, the Board is considering all strategic options to maximise value for shareholders in an effective and timely manner. We will gather opinions of shareholders on possible outcomes over the coming weeks.”

There is article in Citywire this evening https://citywire.com/investmen...

I do not hold and do not feel any need to buy into this at the moment. These "discussions" never seem to go well for the Private Investor.

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Hi Charles 

Foresight Solar Fund (LON:FSFL) I have the other Foresight Foresight Environmental Infrastructure (LON:FGEN) which has fared a little better. Sadly Octopus Renewables Infrastructure Trust (LON:ORIT) is one I have as well; these are purely yield driven investments or that is what I convinced myself at the time I bought given the green future etc. I also thought if Octopus cannnot get this right then most will not.  Not sure how FSFL can cry wolf over NAV given the seeming downward trajectory for others reporting. Winding up and hoping to sell for the last stated NAV is at best optimistic. Maybe knock 30% off is a starting point 

At the end these structures will all become virtual junk so depreciation seems the apposite view 

On your other post re Port as a non inbiber I can only see the investment angle! I to spent my early years on the floor as a trainee blue button which no doubt gives the game away age wise. I recall with much sadness the demise of the floor at the LSE but then we were all optimistic about ' Big bang' were we not.......

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Martin- I was always sceptical about Big Bang. But the partners though all their Christmas's had come at once ! We must have been lurking on the floor around the same time- the Trust team worked from a box- as did our competitors . Not sure why- it was very cramped-only one of the small ones.

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I remember being bemused by the sums of money handed out I worked as a junior at Fieldings when Nat West came in with an open chequebook and champagne was the order of the day in a firm that was actually run for the benefit of the partners ( like many others at the time). I ended up tasked with  helping sort out the mess that NW created by trying to integrate 3 firm into one. This was all about rivalling Barclays who in effect bought the cream of the crop when creating BZW

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So you would know Hugh de Lu as well

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I called everyone ' Sir' that was my first instruction 

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Hugh did claim to be a descendant of the Knights of Malta so Sir would be appropriate !!

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Hi Charles I seem to recall ( my memory not so good these days) a colleague implying something to do with Knights Templer but I did not understand the connection at the time! I do recall Nat West paying very well with good bonuses to clear up the mess and working till 9pm on many days. Gave me the deposit for a flat.......

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Sounds hard work- but a decent outcome re flat.

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Another difficult "investment call" . 2024 has been declared a vintage Port year. As good as 1945 according to The Wine Society. They have kindly sent me a choice of 2024 Port cases. One of my early investment mistakes was not buying a case of Warre 1958 port when I worked at Gordon's wine bar in Charing Cross- must have been about 1978. As my 70th loomed it would have been rather nice or could sell it for £900 on a good day. The cost was £60 as I recall. Though a return of 7.8% before cellar costs would not compare well with the FTSE100 would have returned 11-12% p.a . So a £20 port investment would be worth £750, £20 in the FTE250 about £4000 and in the S&P500 £5700.

Sadly I neither bought the Port or invested at that time in the market- wages were pretty low and I joined the Stock exchange that year on about £1800 p.a and had a rent of what felt like 70% of my net income. But we did get Luncheon Vouchers-25p as I recall a day which got a couple of cheese and onion rolls. When the broker I worked for found out I had no Private income- I had asked a partner for a pay rise and he was incredulous on how I survived ! They did increase it to £2500 ( from memory I could be out by a few hundred pounds) . That broker got hammered shortly afterwards, but not due to my pay rise!


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Port is not a wasting asset apparently so still CGT to pay !   There's a budget coming, life will get more complicated!     On and Congrats !

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Had I bought in 1978 I would have no CGT- it would be being drunk in 2028 on my 70th and 40th wedding anniversary- which are very close together as it happens.

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I bet you have some great stories for a quite day on this board Charles re your time in the city.

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Maybe, though some of it is a blur of long lunches ! We had to take our institutional clients out for 2 hour lunches- seriously!

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Only two hours!!

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OK maybe some-times a tad longer. My best was 12:30 to 16:00 with a large order from the institution- the broker I worked for were really keen to get them onboard as a client. My boss promptly rang him to check I was not making this up- Client said no it is an order and we had a very good lunch!. I always got back to the office unlike many partners who went out not to be seen until the next morning!

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The 70's and 80's were great times I remember one of my best friends saying his dad was some high end proof printer reader for one of the big papers in the 70's his father hated work would often arrive on his moped outside the office building decide he didn't fancy it for the day and head back home but because he was a specialist at what he did they never sacked him.

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Gordon's wine bar?  In 1978? You might have served me. Not that you'd know, it was so dark and dingy down there. Magnificent!

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Working with a very camp Glaswegian called Ally- sadly died many years ago. I always recall Edna O'Brien coming down the stairs- jangle of bracelets and a perfume aroma proceeding her !. Charles Hawtrey used to have a sherry on a stool in the corner of the bar. Fun days, but had to get a proper job so joined the Stock Market as a blue button. Those were the days my friend !

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I joined the market a few years after you, but on the buy side. I suspect we have a lot of acquaintances in common

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I was at Jospeh Sebag (hammered), Carr Sebag briefly-then Fidelity when they launched in UK- left going back to WoodMac on the Trust team with Hamish Buchan and Robin Angus, then New York for a year before coming back and joining P&D. Left the City in 1990 for reasons looking back I am unclear, though I hated Big bang and the associated changes. I just could not accept I was dealing with institutional clients giving best advice and had a head market maker screaming at me across the room to shift his book of BP shares!! Seemed a massive conflict of interest.

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So i knew Hamish and Robin, and was Hugh Lasagne there when you were? I started at the NPI, where i was given the IT sector to analyse. Then on to British Airways PF.

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Hugh de Lusignan was one of my best mates. I was his best man and his son is my God child. I employed him to join WoodMac- he had been a jobber blue button. He did OK at Nat West markets- headed it for a while, working for the civil service part time now I think- China connections after his work in Japan . Not seen him for a while- they don't seem to like Wet Wales !!

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I used to have the odd sharpener with him. Small world!

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P.S. Obviously his name was Hugh de Lusignan, but Huge Lasagne was easier!

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Had to do my speech and his speech at his wedding as he lost his voice.! Started with some Japanese for his wife's family. I do recall part of mine was saying i had been asked where they were spending the night- I said i would be crackers to tell them. No-one got it even though the Ritz. Anyway enough nostalgia..

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For full disclosure- and I am a fan of the trust-sold part of my holding in Molten Ventures (LON:GROW) today-done really well for me but, as 70 years old looms in under 2 years, need to rotate the portfolio slightly. It is still one of my larger holdings - it had become maybe too large as a %. Part went into Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) which might be a risk and the rest into a bombed out industrial Coats (LON:COA) . So not exactly reducing the portfolio risk , but COA does pay a dividend. Looks undervalued and with a good cash flow, decent "moat" . We will see but I will be out at above a £1.00 if the re-rating that happens . Debt is the issue post acquisition of OrtoLite. I hold Hill & Smith (LON:HILS) an interesting industrial and looked at Croda International (LON:CRDA) , cheap but ruled out as they produce pesticides which I am fighting a daily battle against with our Science group- we self-weed the streets of Laugharne with the consent of the County council rather than have sprays used on the pavements. Madness but makes me happy and so CRDA not on a buy list.

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I wouldn't call it madness Charles. I hope you're mulching/composting the weeds!

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They go to the council green waste who make compost it . They are not aware we dispose of this way as there is an argument what we are doing is commercial waste. After a local discussion the town council came out in support of us, which was some what surprising as a traditional bunch. The objectors main complaint was we were too old to make it work long term! and they paid rates.

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Oh dear, oh dear! Some people it seems are only happy if they are complaining!

Good effort Charles, it should be applauded!

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Thank you- visitors and 90% of locals support us ! Dylan Thomas may or may not of.

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Anyone else notice in the hot months the grass was wilted and yellow. The weeds in the pavement were bright green and happy!   More seriously South Australia has has an algae problem, the Caribbean and USA have a seaweed problem and there have been the total failure of regulation of the Water industry in the UK.  Probably more due to fertilisers than pesticides,  Sorry have veered off course! 

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Your on my wavelength- fertilisers are another huge issue. Down here there is a move to monitor farm input and outputs in terms of fertilisers. The ideal is a closed farm-produce your own soil improvers and bring nothing on. A very biodynamic agricultural concept.

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VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) Craig Martin's weekly views. "Emerging from the Frontier "(i.eNow part of FTSE Emerging markets universe) https://dynamcapital.substack....

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I have bought back into Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) . The discount is near its  largest at 36% ( historically trades between 25-30%) and Ackman has changed the portfolio-Ackman described his target investments as: “simple, predictable and free cash-flow generative, with strong competitive positions, low leverage and excellent management.”

Given the poor performance the excessive performance fees will be a way off- the NAV has to recover losses first and then perform. The fund is geared so if the market falls that could see NAV fall even faster. Though historically they have adopted macro hedges in rapidly falling markets which should hedge the worst- if they do it .

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Just after a steer chaps I'm trying to move more monies into ETF's with the longer term plan to have about 20-25 etf's that will just run for the long term with six monthly rebalancing. It seems there are a lot of sector specific ETF's but I can't find any multi asset style offerings.

Has anyone come across a good multi asset etf outside of index trackers ?

Thanks

Andy

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How about the Vanguard and/or Blackrock (iShares) multi-asset ETF's?

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Hi Kevin do you happen to have an isin/s code for them ?

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There are 30 or 40 here.......

https://www.justetf.com/en/how...

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There are so many ETFs out there its massively confusing.    If running 25 ETFs what muti asset style would you look for?

Personally,    Id choose country  / sector specific.   And from there build a bespoke muti asset style ie:  Gold, maybe gold miners if you want to be adventurous and add in a bond ETF.   Its when you get to those final stages - bond / multi asset style I think the Investment Trust  sector would have better options than the ETF.   Likes of  Personal Assets Trust for example.

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Ideally I want 8 in commodities/precious metals, 8 in shares/index's and 9 in bonds/money market I'm halfway there and will post more here when I have more time. I'm only looking/need to average 5% per annum but would hope to actually come out nearer 10% long term. Again will go through my logic when I have more time.

Also thanks for the ETF list Kevin will have a look through them just been pushed with work stuff this week.

Also agreed Littledavesab it is difficult to get 100% into ETF's as some good investment trusts out there but an advantage of ETF's is no stamp duty which if your taking five figure positions in said ETF's even at 0.5% can be a chunky figure.

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I think a PF of ETF's could be a great way to build a PF and I am keen to hear how your 25 x ETF PF looks.

There are so many out there that it could become quite overwhelming for some people so a draft list will no doubt help some.  For example when I put in tickers to Just-ETF to research something I have recently heard about it often throws up a US version of what I am looking for or another currency denominated one - so buyers should beware that they are buying the right ETF.

Pension Craft often have good videos with some ideas -I recently watched one about an all weather PF which split itself between gold, cash/MM, world and gilts (US & UK) - I am still researching some of the suggestions.

Some of the factor ETF's are also quite useful (growth or quality or momentum for example) and there are some very useful dividend ETF's out there - TDGB is very popular (although I think its dividends are reinvested), but there are others from L&G and also some ex-US as well.

The 25 number is also a good discipline - my drive to get to 80-90% collectives (ETF/IT/UT) is not far off, but I keep being tempted into small forays into single companies which leads me to often having 40 odd holdings.  I think I will have to be more disciplined to go for the 80% target and max out at 30 to avoid silly little holdings in things that won't move the dial, although I will exclude my tiny holdings in Whitbread (LON:WTB) which I hold for the free breakfasts in Premier Inn hotels :-)

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TDGB (VanEck Morningstar Developed Markets Dividend Leaders UCITS ETF) distributes its dividends, which are 2.38% at present according to the JustETF website. 

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Hi Phoenix, you might consider the UC15 ETF for some commodities exposure, According to the JustETF website, UC15 "seeks to track the UBS CMCI index. The UBS CMCI index tracks commodities representing 5 broad sectors including energy, precious metals, base metals, agriculture and livestock. The index diversifies its futures across the maturity curve and thus offers constant maturities. Therewith, the index tries to minimise the risk of a negative roll yield."

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UBS CMCI Composite SF UCITS ETF USD A acc (LON:UC15) looks very interesting, made some quick notes        https://www.justetf.com/uk/etf...       tracks diversified global commodities via the UBS CMCI index rather than equities or bonds - as per pka above.

Over the past 5 years, the UBS CMCI Composite SF UCITS ETF (UC15) delivered a total cumulative return of approximately 91.93% (or roughly +92.0%, about +50.1% adjusted for UK inflation).

Precious metals (Gold and Silver) account for a relatively minor portion (7.3%) of the UC15 ETF's target index weighting. Consequently, only a small part of its overall 5-year return came from this sector, as the index is heavily dominated by Energy, Agriculture, and Industrial Metals. 

5-Year Performance Breakdown - HL

  • Total 5-year return: +91.93% cumulative
  • Annualized return: ~12.50% per year
  • Inflation-adjusted (Real return): +50.1% (UK CPIH)
  • Maximum drawdown (5Y): -17.08%
  • Ongoing charges (OCF/TER): 0.34%
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Hi Phoenix, another ETF you might consider for a multi-asset portfolio is GLCB (State Street SPDR FTSE Global Convertible Bond UCITS ETF USD Unhedged). It tracks the FTSE Qualified Global Convertible index, which tracks the investable, global convertible bond market. Some alternatives to ETFs are the multi-asset investment trusts; I hold Personal Assets Trust (PNL) and Capital Gearing Trust (CGT), both of which have good long term performance records and they both have an active buy-back policy for their shares to keep their prices close to their Net Asset Values, so there is not much risk of them going to large discounts to NAV.

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Just in case some reading these threads don’t know this (and ignoring the tired debate about the merits or otherwise of Trusts buying back their shares) it is incorrect to claim that buy backs “keep their prices close to their net asset values.“

Unfortunately far too often buybacks fail to narrow a wide Investment Trust discount. An extreme example is Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) who have spent at least £1.5 BILLION buying back their shares since 2017. The discount is still a very wide 37%!

So never let a buyback to reduce the discount policy as a key reason to buy any Investment Trust.

Note btw that Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) is DOWN 25% so far this year.

Also note that they haven’t given up on buying back. Their latest programme started in May.

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Hi Ken, You are right that "far too often buybacks fail to narrow a wide Investment Trust discount".  However, in the particular cases of Personal Assets Trust (PNL) and Capital Gearing Trust (CGT), regular buybacks when they are at a discount and regular sales of their own shares when they are at a premium have been very successful over the years at keeping their share prices within 2% of their Net Asset Values most of the time.

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I have been looking at my IUKP holding- it is down recently amongst interest rate fears. It also has a large % in Segro which sometime next year will be re-allocated across other property companies. Prologis , the bidder, share price has also dropped back recently. So I have asked Gemini AI what holding a bank ETF would do to offset any property weakness. Amundi STOXX Europe 600 Banks UCITS ETF Acc (EPA:BNK) holds just European banks.

A 60% IUKP / 40% BNK portfolio establishes a strong structural balance, intentionally pairing two asset classes that react in opposite directions to interest rate policy:

  • IUKP (60% UK Property): Negatively correlated with rates (higher rates squeeze property valuations and debt service costs).
  • BNK (40% European Banks): Positively correlated with rates (higher rates expand commercial lending margins).

Scenario Performance Matrix

Economic / Interest Rate ScenarioIUKP Performance (~60%)BNK Performance (~40%)Overall Portfolio Performance
1. Higher-for-Longer Rates (Inflation stays sticky, rate cuts delayed/reversed)Underperforms: NAV write-downs continue, high refinancing costs, dividend yields face competition from Gilt yields.Outperforms: Net interest margins (NIMs) expand, generating strong operating income and supporting share buybacks.Balanced / Neutral: BNK's margin expansion acts as a direct profit cushion against IUKP share price drawdowns.
2. Aggressive Central Bank Rate Cuts (Central banks cut rates rapidly to stimulate growth)Outperforms: Cap rates compress, refinancing pressures ease, REIT valuations rally strongly.Underperforms: Deposit spreads narrow quickly, leading to margin compression on variable-rate loan books.Growth-Leaning Positive: IUKP’s 60% weight drives total portfolio returns upward, offsetting softness in bank stock margins.
3. Stagflation / Severe Recession (Rates held high despite shrinking GDP growth)Underperforms: Lower occupancy rates across commercial office space and secondary retail.Underperforms: Credit default provisions and non-performing loans (NPLs) increase, eroding bank profit margins.Vulnerable: The hedge weakens because rising bad debts outweigh the benefit of higher interest margins for banks.
4. "Soft Landing" (Gradual rate reductions accompanied by economic growth)Moderate Gains: Stable tenant demand meets lower interest expenses, improving property funds from operations (FFO).Steady Returns: Moderate loan growth and strong fee revenues balance out minor margin compression.Optimal Environment: Both asset classes generate solid total returns driven by dividend payouts (~4.0%–4.5% combined forward yield).

Key Risk Considerations

  1. SEGRO M&A Distortions: Until the Prologis acquisition of SEGRO closes, IUKP’s 24% weighting in SEGRO makes the fund less purely sensitive to UK commercial interest rates and more dependent on the deal's equity swap performance and closing timeline.
  2. Geographic Divergence: IUKP is 100% focused on the UK economy and Bank of England policy, while BNK holds continental Eurozone banks (ECB) alongside Swiss/UK lenders. Divergence between ECB and BoE policy will introduce minor tracking drift across the two sleeves.
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Hi Charles,

I hold Invesco STOXX Europe 600 Optimised Banks UCITS Acc ETF (LON:X7PP) which is a very similar European bank ETF - 23% UK, 21% Spain, 17% Italy.

It has done me very well over the last couple of years and was a sensible decision to diversify away from holding single UK banks.

Regards property I have been following closely this last weeks comments on this board irt the property shares that could provide an opportunity should things turn, and in the short-term pay out a good dividend whilst waiting.

Currently my only holding in property is through TR Property Investment Trust (LON:TRY) - I have held this in the past, but it seems to struggle to deliver much growth.  I rebought back into it a few months back, but again I am not really that impressed - although its manager does talk a decent game.

However, I am still sat on the fence as to the opportunity around the property funds.  Interest rates seem to look like they could be rising which won't help any of them.

However, listening to Neil Woodford he is convinced that the rise in oil prices wont last (Middle East is not as critical as it used to be, oil is coming out at quite high levels which isnt being accurately reported, US is/has increasing production & China finding alternative sources) and he sees inflation falling again at some point early next year (at least thats what I think he said).  To this end there could be a recovery based on the ongoing growth that appears to be coming through and the stability/declining interest rates linked to a reducing oil price.

I still think banks are a good option, and I could be tempted into more property opportunities, but would potentially see this as an opportunity for building shares and related companies to start a recovery - in which case I would divert my money here rather than property.

I think I've convinced myself to wait a bit longer before making a decision.

Best wishes.

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I do agree Iran has over played it's hand. The UAE state's will pipe oil out- and globally we are not so dependent on ME oil as other sources are available/Countries move to other sources of energy- which in my book is great.

I am looking currently at Industrials that have underperformed recently, have a reasonable yield and strong cash flow- so the likes of Coats (LON:COA) ,Croda International (LON:CRDA) . There a few more on my list. Morgan Advanced Materials (LON:MGAM) Vesuvius (LON:VSVS) Senior (LON:SNR) Elementis (LON:ELM) . I hold one already Hill & Smith (LON:HILS) . Some already have active takeover interest like SNR.

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Interesting thoughts Kevin.

Re. Commercial Property Trusts. Agree. They’re facing obvious headwinds like higher interest rates ahead, so apart from likely further sector bids and if not bothered about getting very high yields, there’s a strong case for waiting. Not sure they have much further to fall. If that’s wrong then the even higher dividend yields will make the Commercial Property Trusts well covered here, irresistible! I’ve never held TR Property Investment Trust (LON:TRY) and can’t see the attraction. What am I missing? 

Housebuilders. Persimmon (LON:PSN) and  then Barratt Redrow (LON:BTRW) both issued surprisingly good updates that lifted the whole sector on the day they reported. They might get help in the  Budget. But on the downside they too face pressure from higher interest rates. Persimmon (LON:PSN) Is my preferred choice but has the sector bottomed? Part stakes a possible tactic in case there are further sector falls ahead. Good yield from Persimmon (LON:PSN) and yields will be much higher when the sector eventually turns up. 

If looking for buys now do the China Trusts Jpmorgan China Growth & Income (LON:JCGI)   and Fidelity China Special Situations (LON:FCSS) stand out? JCGI now have a 4% of NAV dividend target and is yielding over 5%. Both Trusts have had years of weak performance, yet China is flooding Countries with their products. e.g Electric cars…..which have hit the likes of Volkswagen so hard. There could be big gains for these 2 Trusts ahead and I’m going to increase my holding in Jpmorgan China Growth & Income (LON:JCGI) . I already have enough Fidelity China Special Situations (LON:FCSS)

Vietnam is also another with great potential with full Emerging Market status imminent. Performance of the 3 Trusts has been poor. E.g Since the Vietnam Index bottomed at about 1000 it has risen 80% to 1800. Yet over the same period Vietnam Enterprise Investments (LON:VEIL) and VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) are only up 40%, and VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) which I got badly wrong and I’m tempted to sell, isn’t up at all! All 3 failed to invest much if at all in  huge winner  Vingroup. VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) In particular would have done far better investing in that ahead of years of buybacks which failed to dent the discount. 

I think both Vietnam Enterprise Investments (LON:VEIL) and VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) (Craig Martin is so small investor friendly as Charles’s posts here show) are worth buying after so long with disappointing performance. Longer term they did very well e.g VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) has gone up 9 fold since 2009, and it will surely happen again. With no dividends to reward while waiting, there’s a case for waiting for the turn. 

Views on any of this very welcome. 

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Correction. 

It is VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) that has gone up 9 fold since 2009 low. VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) is only up 6 fold over the same period. I’ve held both for much of this Century except for panic selling at what turned out to be about the bottom of the covid falls. 

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Very sensible.  As mentioned elsewhere on this thread Im not feeling  / will be very picky on the property shares.   Have been a long term holder of Persimmon (LON:PSN) and thinking of adding (even if its 5 and 10 year charts are no better than the average property co!).     

China,  the amount of BYD / Jaecoo etc we now see on the road reminds me of early stage of Iphone adoption !     Against that we have high tarriffs in most "Western" type economies.   Signs of a polarising world.    But given its enormous population and a big market outside of the Western/US influenced sphere then its hard to bet against.

Caveat.  Being sensible does not always win in the stock market !

Vietnam, I  am a long way from being a trader but it feels if the market is undergoing a "market rotation" with those (tactical investors) who purchased in advance of the  upgrade leaving. However Id have thought hedge funds wouldn't want to play this via UK Investment Trusts?    So maybe its where they appear on the wealth managers buy lists? -  (AI tells me) VietNam Holding (LON:VNH)  the smallest (so least likely to be on the wealth managers list?)   trades at the tightest NAV discount and I think Im right in saying its done the least buy backs.

Note https://www.businesstimes.com....    If my (slightly different) thesis is correct once the ownership of these trusts settles down, the basis for the trusts to follow the markets upwards is in place. But as the article shows there may be other factors at work. 

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Littledavesav 

Thanks for replying to my post. Always good to get feedback. 

I largely agree with your comments on Vietnam, and as Charles posted a while ago, the upgrade to Emerging markets status was priced a a good while ago. 

I also agree about it being unlikely that hedge (and other Funds) will invest directly in the Vietnam Trusts, except possibly Vietnam Enterprise Investments (LON:VEIL) which is by far the biggest with a £900 million market cap. (VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) £500 million) and VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) (just £60 million).

What I’m hoping/expecting that there will be increased Fund buying in some of the shares held by these Trusts. Also don’t rule out corporate action/bids for a Vietnam Trust. 

You’re right about VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) not wasting money on buying back their shares. Not long ago the share price went to a premium without recourse to buybacks. And the current disappointing VietNam Holding (LON:VNH)   share price performance is partly that premium becoming a  16% discount. 

VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (LON:VOF) has been buying back for at least two years with the Manager moaning that they have failed to narrow the (now 20%) discount at all. If he doesn’t like continuing to buy back why is he?

The link you provided was a very good read. Thanks. 

Finally re Property Trusts. It’s’m a big fan and their day will come. Just be very wary of Regional REIT (LON:RGL) (I don’t hold). They have talked a good story for years in updates, but the reality has been very different and debt is far too high.It’s worth a gamble for anyone prepared to take the risk that at last the bad news is priced in and the dividend is fairly safe. I remain convinced that Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) is way oversold and will recover in time. Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) also looks a real bargain, and the others I hold and have covered here look solid.

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Polar Capital Technology Trust (LON:PCT) Manager interview in the Times today. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/art...

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Decided to pick up some Unite (LON:UTG) at long last.  Coverage seems mixed as to prospects, but so much as to value.  Meanwhile it yields  8% (-/+) as I write and albeit now ex-dividend.  Sold down my holding in RWS Holdings (LON:RWS) in order to fund the purchase.  The latter has staged a promising recovery from where I bought it in May this year, and I'm leaving some on the table just in case the wind in its sails in not just, err, wind.  But I continue to think that REITs offer exceptional value, having also added to my holding in  Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) this month.  Unite also has a very  special niche in student accommodation, which gives me a bit more confidence, as I hold a number of other niche players where I sense the expertise has come to the fore - Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) , Supermarket Income REIT (LON:SUPR) Living Reit (LON:LIVE). Safe to say my  enthusiasm has also been stoked in no small measure  by the excellent discussion on this board, with an honourable mention to the two Mitchells, Ken and Charles.  Thank you  and please keep it up, gentlemen!

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Why do you think Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) and Supermarket Income REIT (LON:SUPR) offer value, given they trade at less than 10% discount to NAV and BoE is expected to increase interest rates by 100bps over next year. This should be net negative for all bond proxies. 

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Yes, you're right to call them bond proxies and also to point out the risk in terms of rising interest rates.  With those two REITS, however, the constituencies they serve (essentially UKgov + large retail grocers) affords me  a particular sense  of assurance (hence presumably the relatively small discount) while the dividend yields compares very favourably with gilts, does it not?  This at least is the point that Lord Lee makes about Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) and I'm inclined to agree.  Also, to your underlying point, I'm not sure why one would bother with the stock market unless  you had an inclination to risk, above and bond holding cash and  gilts? The market is clearly on your side when it comes to REITS as a sector; and I have chosen to taken the opposite view, while taking the benefit of the cashflow afforded. While - or because-  it's impossible to gauge the exact moment of deepest pessimism, I tend to buy down the market. Sometimes I get it wrong, though I notice Renewables Infrastructure (LON:TRIG) and Greencoat UK Wind (LON:UKW) have been cycling counter to the very analogous arguments made against them as I was averaging down.  The advantage of high income plays, is that you get paid twice: any recovery is additional to the dividends received along the way. 

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I agree that the dividends are very safe. If gilt yields however do increase over the next year and their dividend premium to gilts therefore reduces, I would suspect the discount to NAV would increase and eat into your dividend yield. 

Having said that, I can also see a scenario where long term yields come down in 2027 if AI succeeds and tech companies generate trillions in rev, AI will be very disinflationary & push rates down. On the other hand, if AI does not work, the bubble will burst and stocks get hammered, as investors rotate out of equities into bonds

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Thanks Nurzel, always good to hear the counter case. I'd be interested to see your folio, if you're minded to share it. I generally publish mine here at start of each month. 

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Tempted to join you on Unite (LON:UTG) Brucie. Hesitating as I suspect might get a little cheaper when BoE do start raising rates. I hope we won't see more than three 0.25% rises in this cycle though much of that may depend on the Orange One, his increasingly erratic behaviour and the lies his desperate team keep telling. 

Have you read the fairly recent OakBloke write up on UTG? Worth wading through IMO and much more on the positive side. Doesn't mean he is right of course but seems to be one of the more supportive commentators.

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Yes, my ideas about Unite (LON:UTG) are also partly influenced by Oak Bloke, though I do tend to  get quickly lost in the depths of his forensic coverage, not all of which works out.  As to whether it may fall further, yes it may. But as an income investor I tend to think the precise point is less important than the value you lock in. It's also a punt on UK further education, which is historically one of our strongest export  sectors. 

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(long term holder who increased a few weeks ago) 

Its not just a punt on UK FE - its a punt on the upper tier of UK universities in larger UK cities.  This makes sense.  If universities are cut back it (hopefully) wont be where UTG is operating.

Its also a 'long regulation' position - the renters act rights  will  speed up the professionalisation of renting  - no more squalid bedsits with no hot water or heating  (good times) - its a moat - and also scale benefits in maintenance and backoffice operations.

The discount to NAV is imaginary until you sell.  For the properties sold recently (~24) I think they have been sold at inline to book - ~2.5% discount.  That provides confidence that the NAV roughly matches the real value - but small flats in cities are trending down at the moment.

This isnt to say that you could buy a UTG property today and rent it to the general public next week - but if you happened to be in London for a month, that is a market UTG may be able to exploit (hello GRI - i dont hold)

They (having bought Empiric) do have borrowings.  and I can see that UTG may prioritise paying down loans rather than increasing the dividend and expect it will be flat-ish for a couple of years.

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"Its not just a punt on UK FE - its a punt on the upper tier of UK universities in larger UK cities. This makes sense. If universities are cut back it (hopefully) wont be where UTG is operating."

Good post - and Yes, I agree.  In addition, I think I should  have said 'higher' rather than 'further' education, meaning of course the university rather than 'college' demographic.  But you are also right to draw attention to the tiering within that sector and the likely survivors.  We have come a distance I think, via student debt and changing job-markets, since Tony Blair's contention that 50% of school leavers should  go to university.  Interestingly, though, in the school I last taught at (large, achieving comprehensive in the home counties) the sixth form is now tilting towards STEM subjects at the great cost of Arts - which was my subject area.  I'm not sure that calculus is entirely well founded (arts have traditionally been great jumping off points!) but it I believe it does point to the pressures on young people aspiring to get real jobs.  This is no doubt be to the detriment of lower tier institutions offering Arts subjects, particularly where the alternative might be an apprenticeship.

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Im tempted by a Property Trust and Oak Blokes analysis of Unite (LON:UTG) does look good.  But for me, this is negated by looking at the 5 and 10 year charts and they are practically all a negative return in this period.     This is even true of TR Property Investment Trust (LON:TRY) .     

I have  a couple of small holdings in the sector.  Am not a chartist but personally would like to see the charts bottom out over a couple of month period before pressing buy.  Am aware this could be missing the bottom or a juicy ish yield.

If you bring up the sector on Stocko - Residential & Commercial REITs, you can select chart view and look at months / years charts en mass !

Having said that and if an oil price drop occurs this might help interest rates, as per Mr Shing's analysis last week.

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Also, don't discount the perennial issue-opportunity of certain sectors going out of fashion. Who want to admit they own lots of REITs in this climate? Nor old economy stocks in 1999...

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I do Brucie, and not all gloom. SEGRO (LON:SGRO) helped and I am sort of happy just holding Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) Regional REIT (LON:RGL) Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) and Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) . Buying Picton was not that great an idea on the bid. Most of them pay a reasonable dividend and their time will come. I am useless at timing these things so the above are just part of my medium term portfolio. I am sure more bids will happen. I do hold Palace Capital (LON:PCA) (not a reit) and that is taking an age to wind up though had a reasonable- not great- return. Phoenix Spree Deutschland (LON:PSDL) could be a nice gainer- but you need faith in Berlin property.

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I have 15% in commodity miners, 15% in infra funds, 10% in infra debt funds, 20% in Chinese ai stocks and the rest in U.K. small and mid caps.

Take some comfort from the fact that the commodity and Chinese assets are largely uncorrelated to my uk equity exposure. 

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Thanks Nurzel. Interesting. Have youooked at Marwyn Value Investors (LON:MVI) at all? 

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I have spent 20 years in private equity and would not invest in PE funds in the current environment. Don’t believe in the NAV of most PE funds and most funds don’t deserve a 2/20 incentive structure. 

I haven’t looked at Marwyn Value Investors (LON:MVI) in detail, but don’t see the point of paying them a 3.25% ongoing annual fee and 20% of all profits above a hurdle rate of 7.5% when 50% of their portfolio are 2 public companies (AdvancedAdvT (LON:ADVT) & Zegona Communications (LON:ZEG) ), although both of them are great companies.  I can however just buy them in the public market if I want to own them. It is trading at a +40% discount to NAV, which makes it more interesting, but that is partly explained by their private investment holding, illiquidity premium and small size of Marwyn Value Investors (LON:MVI) itself. 

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Interesting comment. Not sure what the thinking behind your comment is. Most of the ones I hold are selling holdings at above book value-Molten Ventures (LON:GROW) Oakley Capital Investments (LON:OCI) HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT) .

Given you worked in PE there must be more to your comment ?

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It’s the same as post the GFC, they sell the good assets that they have where they can show an exit at NAV or above to show the market that their marks are not fiction. The not so good assets are being kept longer and moved into continuation vehicles, so that they can grow into the NAV and/or rerate when interest rates come down and valuations improve before they are sold.

The PE vintages from 2020/21 of most funds will be poor with IRR of under 10%, given they were bought at high valuations in a low interest environment and have significantly rerated downwards in the current interest environment. A lot of  PE funds tell you that they still see good  double digit EBITDA growth across their portfolio, which could be true, but does not change the fact that even those businesses will struggle to generate a double digit IRR, as the purchaser will have to pay a significantly lower multiple to generate an adequate IRR on the deal, given the current cost of debt. Obviously this will only get worse if the BoE actually does raise rates by 100bps in the next year.  That’s why I stay away from PE funds at the moment. 

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We will have to disagree. I have held PE trusts for many years and not seen any sign of what you describe.

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For Oakley Capital Investments (LON:OCI) and HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT) there area a few examples:

1. Oakley moved North Sails into a continuation vehicle in 2025 as couldn’t achieve valuation they deemed adequate

2. Oakley moved IU Group into a CV in 2023

3. Oakley moved K12 from fund IV to Fund VI remaining controlling shareholder while bringing in 2 minority Co investors 

4. HG has tried for the last few years to monetize Visma, including via IPO, and has postponed indefinitely as would result in writedown. They will now hold until it has grown into NAV or until valuation multiples rerate upwards, which can be seen by Visma NAV being flat since 2024 despite good EBITDA growth 

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Gemini AI research. I will continue to hold all the PE trusts I own. I think this brings an end to the discussion I hope.

"The claim that private equity (PE) investment trusts use continuation vehicles (CVs) or internal fund roll-overs strictly to "hide bad performers" simplifies a complex—and currently heavily debated—trend in PE market dynamics.
While these transactions can be used to defer writing down an underperforming asset or delay an unattractive exit in a slow M&A market, they are also frequently used to hold onto high-conviction "winners" that still have significant growth potential.

The Two Sides of the Argument

The Bear Case: Why Critics Argue It Masks Performance

  • Valuation & Exit Reality Check: In a public market IPO or a traditional trade sale, the market determines the real price. In a CV, the manager (GP) sells the asset to a new vehicle managed by themselves. Even with third-party fairness opinions or minority co-investors, critics argue this creates a conflicts-of-interest loop where assets are transferred at "marked" NAVs rather than true arm's-length market clearing prices.
  • Extending the Clock: When an asset’s holding period stretches beyond the typical 3–5 year private equity window without a full third-party exit, transferring it to a CV allows the manager to reset the clock rather than accepting a lower valuation in a tough M&A environment.
  • Fee Generation: Managers often earn new or extended management and performance fees on assets rolled into continuation funds, giving them a financial incentive to retain assets rather than exit them.

The Bull Case: Why Managers Use Continuation Vehicles

  • Holding "Trophy Assets": Managers often argue that top-tier assets (like high-margin, sticky SaaS platforms) continue compounding earnings faster than newly acquired targets. Selling them to a third party just because a fund's 10-year term is ending forces the fund to give up future upside.
  • Liquidity Options for LPs: In a CV, original institutional investors (LPs) are given the choice to either roll their investment into the new vehicle or cash out. This provides liquidity in market environments where traditional M&A or IPO windows are quiet.
  • Bringing in Fresh Capital: Moving an asset to a CV or a newer main fund allows the company to secure fresh growth capital for bolt-on acquisitions without burdening the original fund, which may be out of investment capacity.

Breaking Down the Specific OCI & HGT Examples

Trust / AssetStated ActionMarket Context & Industry Nuance
Oakley (OCI) / North SailsMoved to CV in 2025North Sails was a long-held asset with restructuring and operational turnarounds over its lifecycle. Transitioning it into a CV allows Oakley more time to realize value, though critics point out that long holding periods often signal a tougher exit path than originally Underwritten.
Oakley (OCI) / IU GroupMoved to CV in 2023IU Group (German digital university) has been one of Oakley's standout performers in EBITDA growth. The CV brought in institutional backing to cash out legacy LPs while allowing Oakley to retain exposure to a fast-growing core asset.
Oakley (OCI) / K12Fund IV to Fund VI TransferInternal fund-to-fund transfers with minority co-investors establish a validated price benchmark, but because Oakley remained the controlling shareholder, critics question whether full price discovery occurred.
HgCapital (HGT) / VismaPostponed IPO & Flat NAVVisma is Hg's flagship European software giant. Holding NAV flat despite strong EBITDA growth is often a conservative valuation adjustment—effectively allowing earnings growth to catch up to historically high software valuation multiples (compressing the multiple without taking a nominal mark-down).

Key Takeaways for Investors

  1. NAV vs. Price Discount: Public markets already price in a degree of skepticism around private equity NAVs. Both OCI and HGT historically trade at variable discounts to their declared NAVs, reflecting investor uncertainty over real-world realization values versus marked values.
  2. Co-Investor Validation: Look closely at whether external institutional investors put fresh capital into the continuation vehicles on the same terms. If reputed third parties buy in, it provides stronger validation of the asset's marked value.
  3. Realization Track Record: The ultimate test for any PE trust is whether, over a multi-year cycle, cash realizations from full exits consistently occur at or above the reported NAV. Tracks records of exiting assets at a premium to NAV indicate that valuations are broadly realistic rather than inflated."
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Charles. 

I’ve held Oakley Capital Investments (LON:OCI) for years and  it’s up over 150%. I also held HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT) which did very well too, but sold on the AI fears. Oakley Capital Investments (LON:OCI) is also in the VIT Portfolio.

There’s a plus and minus case for every share and Trust.

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But look at the return during the elevated interest rate environment since 2022. HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT) has been flat since then and Oakley Capital Investments (LON:OCI) has generate a ~5% IRR in that period. You have effectively not made or even lost money post inflation. This will not get any better if BoE increases base rates by another 100bps in next year 

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Fair point Nurzel, but has the market priced that in now? If we know, the market knows too. 

You’re right in that I should also have sold Oakley Capital Investments (LON:OCI) and not just HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT) . I didn’t (and don’t my huge winners) for health reasons. The Trusts and shares I hold that have doubled and more or just gone up a lot I keep. I need a portfolio that still will look ok in big market falls for my wife who has no real understanding of investing. Those gains will be a cushion against big falls whereas selling very big winners and buying something now that falls heavily in a bear market will look worrying. 

I now also prioritise income over further capital gains. All my wife need to do is withdraw and spend that big income from time to time. Hence my priorities are probably different to most posting here. 

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Thanks Nurzel, I'll have to watch what I say!

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Noticed several Directors (or Persons Closely Associated with them) also purchasing Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) this week - first time in quite a while it seems.  Am very tempted to increase my holding at this level...

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FT  Inside the Deal-Why Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) bought Picton Estates https://www.ftadviser.com/cont... This is FT adviser which is free to sign up.

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I saw that Citywire had a quick update on Baillie Gifford Shin Nippon (LON:BGS) and the changed fortunes since the new manager arrived earlier in the year - its 5year track record had been very poor.

https://citywire.com/investmen...

My Japanese tool of choice for the last couple of years had been Nippon Active Value Fund (LON:NAVF) but I sold out after Mello at the start of  June where I heard the manager talking about activism now being actively fought against by Japanese companies and them putting blocking measures in place which could undermine their strategic approach.  Funnily enough I think Citywire highlighted this week that this was exactly the reason for some poor performance over the last couple of months, so the risk has become an issue.

I dont have much Japanese exposure currently, but could be tempted by BGS, although I am not 100% sure what the rising interest rates in Japan will do in the short to medium term.

Any thoughts?

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Kevin- I am with you- limited Japanese exposure at present.

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Ecora Royalties (LON:ECOR) is up today-I hold- and reminded me to relook at it. Not a Trust but concensus NAV is 200-215p. So it trades at about 0.78 of NAV.  Key thing is they are reducing debt- down from ¢120m to $75m. The company functions as a specialized "mining landlord" and financier, providing upfront capital to mining operators in exchange for a percentage of the mine's top-line revenue or production stream. Operating with a lean team of roughly 13–15 employees, the company avoids the heavy capital expenditures, labor costs, and operational inflation associated with digging, instead earning near-pure cash margins (~80%+) as a passive royalty collector. Its portfolio focuses predominantly on energy transition and base metals—such as copper, cobalt, nickel, and uranium—allowing investors to capture the commodity upside of global electrification while bypassing the operational risks of traditional mining companies.

I like the slightly less volatile exposure to critical-minerals and is one of my holdings I will be holding for the mid-term. Yield is 2%.

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Many thanks  for all the supportive posts.

I’ll keep posting in the way I want to as anyone who doesn’t like the way I do it it can easily avoid my posts. I think we should move on from this now and get back to trying to find interesting Investment Trust and ETF suggestions. That’s not easy at present but opportunities will arise. 


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Ken, I am pleased to see so many in support of your posts, all well deserved.  Charles started this thread and sparked my interest. But it was your postings, along with his that helped and inspired me to make a start with ITs,. It's not been all good but I didn't expect it to be.  I think I understand what  bsharman was hinting at but I agree with campervan, it is our responsibility to do our own research and not blindly follow others however good. Do please, please keep your thoughts coming and post however you feel will help others, including me

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Norfolk old boy.

Following up on your September 17th ( supportive) post where you said that your Investment Trust trades had not been all good. That’s not a surprise. 

I wonder if you would mind  briefly saying which Trust buys have gone wrong so far, in case a regular poster here sees your post and gives a helpful reply, as I also will try to do. 

I guess that are plenty of others new to Investment Trusts in the same boat and keen to invest in some Trusts successfully, who will be keen to see such a post too. Sometimes it’s simply timing good quality losing buys badly……as we all do. 

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Thanks ken. I think I did say some not so good because none have done badly. I've had single companies do much worse I can assure you. But 2 of the trusts I choose are underwater Nippon Active Value Fund (LON:NAVF) -6% and Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) down 3%. I'm holding on as I'm sure (?) they will do better at some point. And as you've said before decent dividends whilst waiting.

Anyway longer term I intend to migrate largely to these types of investment. Your posts and others here continue to be so helpful.

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Thanks Norfolk Oldboy, 

I don’t hold any Japan Trust as fearing (could be very wrong) that Japan is overvalued. Key thing though is that Nippon Active Value Fund (LON:NAVF) is a sensible mainstream Trust.  And that so far small NAVF loss might be no more than an unluckily timed buy. 

Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) has the advantage of being in a more bargain priced sector. I’m very confident and have a full stake now, but again could be wrong. Again a sensible choice. 

It is hard finding quality buys st present as so many mainstream Trusts have soared. It’s much easier finding great buys in bear markets.



 


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Thanks for the comment Ken. Probably got Japan wrong but my thoughts were that the economy seems to be taking a break and no doing so well. So I bought on the view that 'things will get better' hopefully. It was a leaf from your book of buying at a low. As I said, got it wrong, not for the first time and  no doubt not the last. Keep  your useful comments coming when you are able

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Going to have a look at this when listed on AJ Bell. Decent yield and  the potential of capital growth -in line with MSCI world.


The UBS Global Equity Income Plus UCITS ETF (XETRA Ticker: FGZJ / SIX Ticker: GINC) officially launched on September 16, 2026.

Key Details:

  • Fund Name: UBS Global Equity Income Plus UCITS ETF (USD Accumulating)
  • ISIN: IE000B4NK9I9
  • Total Expense Ratio (TER): 0.30%
  • Target Yield: 8%–12% income target via dividends, share buybacks, and option premiums
  • Primary Listings: XETRA (Ticker: FGZJ GY) and SIX Swiss Exchange (Ticker: GINC SW)

This fund marks UBS Asset Management's first active equity ETF, managed by their Global Income Equity team.

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Thanks Charles - looks interesting.  I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this.  

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As soon as I can get info will update the board.

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The yield also caught my eye, so I did a bit of research to see how realistic it could be. UBS run two other similar investment vehicles already and I think the ETF is an extension of those from a strategy perspective, so I assume will give a similar performance (with less fees). From Gemini - 

The core investment strategy across all three vehicles—the new UBS Global Equity Income Plus UCITS ETF, the UK OEIC feeder (UBS Global Enhanced Equity Income Sustainable Fund), and the offshore master (UBS Lux Equity SICAV – Global Income)—is managed by UBS’s Global Income Equity team. It pairs an actively managed, defensive basket of high-quality global dividend equities with a systematic covered-call option overlay designed to generate an enhanced annualised distribution yield of 8% to 12%

Basically the UK OEIC is a "Feeder" into the Master SICAV but the ETF will not be.

Performance and Return Dynamics

  • Income vs. Capital Appreciation: The strategy prioritises high, regular income distribution (typically yielding 8.5% to 11% gross annualised) via dividends and option premiums. However, because call overwriting caps upside capital growth during sharp market rallies, the capital NAV alone tends to remain flat to slightly depreciating across a full market cycle.
  • Historical Multi-Year Total Returns: Historical annualized total returns for the underlying strategy have averaged roughly 10.5%–12.8% over 1 year, ~14% p.a. over 3 years, and ~9%–10% p.a. over 5 years.
  • The ETF Fee Advantage: As a standalone physical fund rather than a feeder, the ETF's holdings will not match the Master SICAV tick-for-tick due to individual execution and rebalancing timing. Crucially, the ETF's low fee of 0.30% TER removes 35 to 45 basis points of annual drag compared to the UK OEIC, and even more relative to the SICAV. Over multi-year compounding horizons, this fee reduction directly enhances net total return and mitigates NAV erosion.
  • Liquidity and Spread Risk: Unlike the OEIC, which always trades precisely at the end-of-day NAV, ETF investors do not face fund-level "run" risk because redemptions are settled in-kind with APs. Instead, investors bear market pricing risk: during severe panics, execution risk appears as wider exchange bid-ask spreads or short-term discounts to NAV.
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Thank you

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Hi Charles,

Sounds like a superb yield, but in my experience these are normally met through having to sell down the capital investments to meet the yield.  Lets hope this time is different :-)

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They do use Puts and Calls but aim to match MSCI world. Looks like LSE launch will be later than the European one. So time to monitor !

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It looks fairly similar to iShares World Equity High Income UCITS ETF USD Dis (LON:WINC) except I’m not sure why UBS have launched their product as an accumulating one? As discussed a few weeks back, funds that employ a call option strategy to generate high yield might not perform so well in volatile markets. DYOR. 

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Keep posting Ken 

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On the subject of listening to posts I hope you all ignored my post on the disastrous Chrysalis Investments (LON:CHRY) 9 months or so ago. I am down 30%. discount has widened to 43%. It looks like the so called managed wind - up and return of capital is stalling at the moment as the Board seem reluctant to sell Klarna due to the price falling since the IPO. Whether they are looking to dispose of Starling is unclear. A few positives are that Klarna posted a profitable quarter since the listing, Starling announced its fifth year of profitability and Smart Pension has £10bn under management- a five-fold increase in 4 years. Despite these positive notes I will not be averaging down. Holding on in the hope I will at least recover the loss I am sitting on one day. If the markets were less uncertain I might take the hit and buy something else, but for now will just sit on it- and wait!

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Hi Ken,  please keep posting as you do.  I am inexperienced and really value your posts.   I prefer that you post gains and losses.   It doesn't mean I will rush in and buy.    It is my responsibility to do my own research.  Please don't change your approach.  Thank you.

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Ken - this was not a personal attack on your posts. Stating the % you are up or down in your investment is however completely irrelevant to the discussion (and may influence newer investors, like it would have done me in the past). We all have our own records of our positions and the only relevant thing is the price today, the valuation today and the prospects today, not to be anchored to your buy/sell position, which is immaterial to the rest of us.  

I’ll compromise by only posting from now on the plus and minus figures in situations where not to do so would be farcical - why is it farcical for you not to post the plus and minus figures? Nobody else does, or are you saying everyone should post their plus/minus % every time they mention a stock or investment trust?

I'll leave this for now. Didn't mean to cause any tension. 


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I hold Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) already (bought too early), so decided to re-enter Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) in my long term portfolio. It offers a great yield and relatively secure (government) earnings - I understand that these are also inflation linked. Good luck all. 

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PHP looks fine but be aware that it has quite high debt versus many other REITs and also needs to refinance its debt - not ideal when intereest rates are going through the roof. I personally prefer REITs with more modest LTVs and have fixed their debt over a long period 

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Bouden 

I think you've hit on the key points for me re REITs at the moment. What is the LTV %, what interest rate are they paying and when are they due to refinance. The markets they are in probably comes next - the likes of Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) in Government backed Healthcare, Land Securities (LON:LAND) in Out of Town Retail Parks, Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX)  in Logistics and Data Centres, etc. Demand and Supply, Risk of default, etc. being significant considerations. 

If we're looking at increases in Interest Rates towards 5% by end of next year I suppose it depends on investment horizon and individual circumstances too.

Appreciate your response on Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) and those from others too. Sometimes nice to know you're not alone in these things!

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Any thoughts on why Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) is continuing to slide? I thought that after the SEGRO (LON:SGRO) acquisition and the Slough Data Centre approval this would have performed better. Has the opportunist fundraise damaged trust in management or is it the market waiting to see how well this cash is deployed that has put the dampeners on it?

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Like you sevenccc I’m wondering why Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) is continuing to fall. Hope someone here can attempt to answer your question.

I bought a part BBOX stake ahead of the placing. I think shares and Trusts that announce a placing and retail offer after hours and then give investors only a short time to participate, are disrespecting their small shareholders. Investors who see it can rush to take up the offer when if they had had more time to decide would decide it was a poor offer. With the BBOX share price much lower now, investors pleased to have invested in time won’t be pleased now!

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Sevencc- It is a mystery to me, one of my larger holdings. Can only think negativity re AI/Data centres. In my opinion the market is wrong. 

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Agreed Charles rising bond yields and interest rates likely to go up next few weeks most likely hitting anything property related.

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With help of Edmund Shing on Bonds and Interest rates on 12 Sep, my interpretation is the competition from other instruments that pay out. 

With some exceptions among high quality, low debt structures, the average corporation affected by interest rates on both sides is bound to suffer. By both sides I mean concern over re-financing at higher cost in the future and the yield on offer from their dividend. 

The bond market is huge and a great leveller. The uniformity among different issuers for any given interest rate scenario is humbling.

Plus points in the equity market get drowned by the sheer size of bond movements.

If Edmund is correct

Market Musings 1209026: Bonds: Bargains or Bust?

it is time to time to build positions and wait for prices to improve.

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Tempus in Times today has BBOX as a buy. Should you buy shares in Tritax Big Box Reit?

https://www.thetimes.com/artic...

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Most REITs haven't fallen sharply due to higher gilt yields. I don't think anything particularly specific to BBOX, although the recent placing has probably created something further negative momentum. No concerns for me though and will add if it falls any further. 

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Not sure whether anyone on this thread hold Pollen Street Group shares but I can’t understand why they have been marked down this morning following the newsflow . Overall a very solid set of results and decent outlook.  Fwiw I’ve added to my holding at £7-82 and the yield  is almost 7.5%.  The stock goes ex div for 28.5p per share on 25th September to be paid on 23rd October. Very attractive imo and divi aside the prospect of a decent capital gain especially after today’s markdown.  I reckon it’s worth 20 mins or so of your time having a look at this one 

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Thank you George. Looks interesting. Shawbrook seems a slight negative , but div looks pretty safe.

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Yes, I hold. No intention of selling. 

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George thanks for Pollen Street (LON:POLN) mention- I am up 16% which for a week is great. Sadly I had only bough an initial holding, but it all helps.

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Yes it’s always very handy Charles when a share is marked up on the announcement of a possible offer but even after this mornings rise the share still looks very good value to me. Also Pollen goes ex div tomorrow for a handy 28.5p per share to be paid on 23rd Oct. It’s been a good few months overall helped  by other recently bought holdings luckily spiking upwards, S4 Capital and The Beauty Tech Group have also obliged. 

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Seraphim New Space UCITS - Accumulating ETF (LON:SERA) curation which is an AI research platform. SERA are a client so assume it is a sort of AI powered Equity Research. I am trying it out. SERA is here https://ai.curationcorp.com/ch...

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This Afternoon...

Mello Investment Trusts & Funds 15th September from 1pm: https://www.melloevents.com/mitf150926

This is a FREE event and you can register via the link above.

Full Mello Investment Trusts & Funds agenda (subject to minor change):

1:00pm Keynote Presentation from Investment Columnist and former Fund Manager, Max King: "Who's Afraid of the Bond Market?"
1:30pm Company Presentation from Jpmorgan China Growth & Income (LON:JCGI)
2:00pm Company Presentation from Law Debenture (LON:LWDB)
2:30pm Company Presentation from Capital Gearing Trust (LON:CGT)
3:00pm Company Presentation from Custodian Property Income Reit (LON:CREI)

Lots to enjoy virtually as we warm up for MelloLondon in Chiswick this November... where the investor community can come together f2f once again.

If you cannot attend either event LIVE, you can still register and will receive the recording within 48 hours.

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Bought more Springfield Properties (LON:SPR) this morning. Bank debt has been paid off by land sales, trades at a 30% discount to NAV. sounds like they will now build on the reminder of the land bank to increase value. Looking to expand housing relationship with infrastructure projects in North Scotland- already building 300 houses for one such firm.

Equity development sponsored research note is here https://www.equitydevelopment....

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Most REITs are drifting lower,  not helped by higher interest rates worry,and higher oil prices thanks to idiot Trump.  so it looks too soon to be buying any of them.

I don’t think there should be a rush to sell though. E.g Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) Custodian Property Income Reit (LON:CREI) Living Reit (LON:LIVE) , Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) .Big dividends provide consolation while waiting patienly for the sector to turn up again. 

What about Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) ? The slow but relentless share price fall is continuing. Clearly the decision to join in the LMP bid for Picton was a big mistake. LMP might even have bid for SREI if they had kept out of it. The discount is now approaching 40% and the yield is nearly 9%.

Most holding Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) will be losing…….for now. I can’t believe that the share price will fall much further. If holding at a loss it looks best to ride it out with that big yield a bonus. If looking to take advantage of what looks a real bargain buy opportunity then probably best to wait until the share price turns up again, as surely it will and perhaps soon when this wretched Picton bid is behind us. Or if brave, buy now as surely there isn’t much further for the share price to fall. 

Btw….another bargain is Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) where as with Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) the yield is nearly 9%. Don’t forget the sector consolidation. It’s impossible to know which REITS but those on big discounts could be targets. 

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Agree Ken with all the above.

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Ken , totally agree.

SREI  has outperformed the AIC Property Sector at NAV level significantly over the last 10, 5 and 3 years.

Its dividend  has risen 45% over the last 10 years.

In terms of NAV discount and div yield it's probably the cheapest it has ever been.

It has two problems, a small cap and at the moment an unpopular sector. 

This is of course the private investors opportunity. Almost a dream scenario for us. 

I am obviously blind as to what the Picton Property acquisition will add, but i'm going to email their IR and point out that at this mkt cap, the only new buyers ill be private punters. 

They need to get company sponsored research out there.

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I have bought more NRR and SREI this morning. As Ken says appear to be in bargain territory.

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Paul Scott was discussing the sectoral opportunity recently with Lord Lee, who is a big fan of Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) . His question was how worried we should be about rising rates as a threat to their terms of refinancing. This is the key risk for those with a lot of debt. I hold a position in Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) myself as well as Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) and a slew of others, across a number of folios. I think this may count as one of those historic sectoral opportunities, particularly among the best managed ones.  Essentially, you are making your into  folio a proxy landlord at a time of depressed valuations, higher and unstable  mortgage costs, but startlingly high (on the face of it) income returns. 

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I agree Brucie that now could be a historic buy opportunity for REITS but also fear higher interest rates could provide an even better buy opportunity ahead. I’m happy to continue holding mine because there’s such good income while waiting patiently for the sector upturn. And the regular dividends receive help pay for top ups at even lower prices, if the sector has forthright to fall. As always there’s the opportunity to go for part buys in case a chance to buy lower. 

I hold the following 11 REITS. I’ve included the share price gains and losses (excluding dividends) since buying. 

Living Reit (LON:LIVE) A recent buy up 3%. 

Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) I’ve held this for a good while. Did have a very good profit, but it is now only up 3%. Huge discount bargain buy imo. 

Supermarket Income REIT (LON:SUPR) Bought in low 70s when strong biy opportunity was repeatedly flagged on this bb. It bottomed at 69p. I’m up 10%. Graham Neary will be analysing SUPR today after hat look good Results . Dividend increase of 2% a year at least promise, but latest divi is only 93% covered. 

Aew UK Reit (LON:AEWU)   Up 42% thanks to buying in the 2020 Covid dip. Up more than 100% with dividends included. Unfortunately it has been fully valued without any dip buy opportunities for ages. So not one to buy now unless there is a surprise bid…..which seems unlike as Aew UK Reit (LON:AEWU) is only on a very small discount. 

Land Securities (LON:LAND) A recent buy and up 5%. I really like this one  and also British Land which I am monitoring for a  better buy opportunity and yield  near to 6%. 

Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) DOWN 5%.Big acquisitive REIT that  looks a buy opportunity for. 

Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) Up 10%. and Bruce saying Lord Lee is a fan adds to the already solid attraction. 

Value and Indexed Property Income Trust (LON:VIP) Unchanged and the share price hasn’t changed since I bought and posted months ago! They’ve increased the dividend for over 20 years. Apart from possible bid there’s no rush to buy until at last the share price moves up. 

Custodian Property Income Reit (LON:CREI) Up6%. Well worth checking out.

Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) DOWN 5%.There was a mistake in my previous post. I bought after the fund raising and not before.Share price fell even further but has been given a lift by the Tempus buy today.

Newriver Reit (LON:NRR) Only up 1%. Looks a stunning bargain and 9% yield. We just need to be patient. 

Unite (LON:UTG) . Recent buy UP 3%. Well covered on the Daily Report on Resukts and trading updates. Near 8% yield. 

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REITs have been a "historic buy opportunity" for quite a few years now ! 

Ken - Appreciate your posts, but do you really need to put in your gains and losses. It is irrelevant to the reader - what matters is the value on offer today, the yield, discount/premium etc. not your trading record! As investors we should avoid being anchored to our buy price. 

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If there’s support for your opinion bsharman I’ll stop posting  my gains and losses. I think on a post like the one on REITS today  the figures can be a very helpful guide especially so those that are lower, and as with Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) the share price gain, once big is now tiny. . The gains in my post were, with the exception of Aew UK Reit (LON:AEWU) piffling. So it’s not to show off.   And the big gain shown for AEWU backs up the opinion that it is no longer worth buying. 

Another reason I post gains and losses is to provide evidence for my often posted view that buying the dips often works. 

I’ll see whether there’s suport for your dislike of me doing this, and if there is I won’t do it. I like other posters here do whatever I can be helpful, but what I do won’t always succeed or be welcomed!

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Just speaking from personal experience, when I was a novice investor and someone who had more experience than me indicated that they were down on an investment then I would rush to buy, because I thought that if someone who has lots of years in the game and they have invested and the price is now lower, then it must be a good time to buy - However as we know this might not be the right decision. I would in the past get sucked into value traps for this very reason. Not saying that REITS are value traps but the price today is all that matters along with the investment rational for investing today, not whether someone else on the bb is 5% up or 5% down.   

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Bsharman 

No one should ever rush in to buy anything just because a poster says it was a good buy and the price is much lower. I assume on this very good thread most posters realise that. Newcomers like the rest of us should take note of Company and Trust Results and other updates, way ahead of buying just because someone said it was a good buy. 

I prefer to look for the positives when posters here try to be helpful in any way they wish.

There’s a case for your opinion which is why I’ll act on it if your view is held by others. It would make it easier for me as  I would no longer have to trawl through our portfolios to find the current plus and minus figures. 

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Ken, I tend to agree with Bsharman on this, though I hope it goes without saying l value your posts. Probably most useful here is to post on what might constitute best value at this time, rather than what was a few years ago. 

That said, it can indeed be instructive and sometimes painful to remember:I recall Value and Indexed Property Income Trust (LON:VIP) in its previously more comprehensive value remit yielding a dividend of 9% in 2020 at a time when had I chosen to transfer all my tech ill gotten into Old Economy stocks (for that is what it was effectively a  vehicle for) I could have retired rather earlier than I did! It was a source a self-reproach and subsequent learning for many years particular since I also remember some huge director buying. The Moral of the story: after some due diligence, don't spend forever looking a gift horse in the mouth in case  may indeed be a gift horse. 

I think this is part of what you've been saying about those well timed purchases, and implying about the current opportunities presented in certain REITs?

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I usually read the stuff here and your experienced and thoughtful posts and I've no problem at all with your posts mentioning gains and losses.

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I have no issue with Ken mentioning gains and losses. It would not affect my investment decision. I sometimes post when I am in the red- normally admitting a stupid investment call like KGEN. And `I will post when I do a short trade and make money- mainly to alert people to the fact that it is possible to be a long term portfolio with some funds used for short term punts.

REIT's look good value as Ken said. I am down in a couple now, but do see it as a chance to buy more. But when interest rates rise tomorrow as looks likely we will see what the effect is- I am assuming it is built in.

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Thanks for the replies about my posting profit and loss figures, which I had thought most here would find useful. There are times when it would be ludicrous not to post subsequent gains or losses.e.g like when I was posting that shares like Aviva (LON:AV.) Standard Life (LON:SDLF) etc were way too cheap. Only by posting subsequent gains can it be seen whether or not the plus case was correct. Had they fallen a lot further I would have posted the loss figures and conceded I had  got it badly wrong. 

I’ll compromise by only posting from now on the plus and minus figures in situations where not to do so would be farcical. It will save  me time.

Obviously people are free to criticise posts here but I admit to preferring and really welcoming criticism/opposite opinions on the Trusts I post on, rather than having to justify my posting methods,. 

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Thank you for posting the way you do Ken.  I often find your posts interesting and informative and its often good to see real numbers.  Please keep going.

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What he said.

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Hi Ken. 

Please keep posting however you wish to do so and believe is useful.  I don't comment much here as I don’t think I have much to add, but this board is one of my top two on stockopedia and I find in invaluable.

Two of my most lucrative investments recently in terms of capital gains have been inspired by your approach on looking at high income stocks.  So i really appreciate your posts.

Also big thanks to Charles for setting this board up and running it, and all of the contributors.  It has really opened my eyes to another way of investing.

David 

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Please keep posting as you have done i find it very useful i have found some great ideas on this forum also thanks to all the other posters here

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Thank you, Ken.  I appreciate your posts. They have been exceedingly useful. I don’t have any problem with them.  Thanks.

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Thank you Ken for posting the way you do.

Please continue with your ‘real numbers’ and investing experiences, highlighting the ideas that have worked and those that haven’t.

Your posts have proved their worth in my case and evidently for many others too.

It would be a poorer thread if you felt a need to change your style, which clearly describes what works successfully – look forward to seeing much more !

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Ken as my Sipp is over 30% in cash other than adding to Pollen Street this morning your post prompted me to add to New River Reit, Living Reit and Primary Health Properties. As you say the yields are better than cash so “hopefully” us investors are being paid to wait 

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Hope those 3 Trusts prove rewarding in time. I hadn’t realised until reading Brucie’s post just now, that Lord Lee is keen on Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) . Btw….I guess you’ve seen Roland’s  analysis on Pollen Street (LON:POLN) on the Daily Stock Market report today?

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Yes good to see Roland positive on Pollen with a green status. Shawbrook was the only minor disappointment within the whole scheme of things which the market probably focused on in the initial markdown this morning. Overall though a satisfactory announcement hinting at a promising future so I think the forward multiple of just over 7 makes the stock look cracking value and arguably very cheap. We will see but having added around £7-80 it was satisfying to see much of the mark down reversed with the price closing just over £8 . The dividend of over 7% matching the forward multiple also provides a  decent amount of comfort 

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Yes, thanks Ken, more a 'happy not to change previous positive view' kind of update.  But what he doesn't appear to mention is the 6% hike in the interim, in line with the progressive dividend policy.  This is surely what income seekers should be looking for, alongside the commitment to shareholder value.  (Though I know you don't like buybacks!)

Strategic priorities for remainder of 2026

  • Continue to deploy Private Equity Fund V: on track with the fund 74 per cent deployed
  • Continue to deploy and build Private Credit AuM; well placed to outperform with strong AuM growth and accelerating deployment
  • Prepare for marketing of Private Equity Fund VI: early investor engagement underway
  • Maintain progressive dividend policy while strategically deploying capital for shareholder value: interim dividend of 28.5 pence is up 6 per cent on a per share basis
  • Return surplus capital to shareholders through share buybacks, subject to relative attractiveness compared to other value-creation opportunities; £7.8 million of share buy-backs completed during H1
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Hi Brucie. 

Thanks for the further info on Lord Lee and Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) . I’m surprised he didn’t mention the 6% hike in the interim. As for buybacks ….at least they increase NAV a little bit! 

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No, this dividend hike was from the RNS at Pollen Street (LON:POLN) . Apologies if I seemed to suggest otherwise. Though Lord Lee is indeed a big fan of Primary Health Properties (LON:PHP) . 

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VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) Craig Martin's latest: "This week Dynam published its white paper on Vietnam’s banking sector. Almost 40% of our public equity portfolios sit in Vietnamese banks, with five banks among the ten largest holdings, so the paper examines which banks we hold, why we hold them, and the sector's outlook. Banks arguably capture a broader slice of the Vietnamese economic story than the rest of the stock market: they finance urbanisation, trade, and domestic consumption, and they are also examples of digitalisation done well" https://dynamcapital.substack....

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Finsbury Growth & Income Trust (LON:FGT) factsheet for August published last Friday;

https://www.finsburygt.com/med...

Top-10 reads like a strong Saspocalypse play (plus some others) and is now starting to redeploy its cash from Schroders & Intertek takeovers.  Seems to have been deployed into new holdings in Spirax & TPIcap (I hold) plus topping top Games Workshop (LON:GAW) .

An awful 5-year track record, but some interesting recovery plays amongst its holdings.  On a 6.9% discount and yielding 2.4%.  I hold.

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HgCapital Trust (LON:HGT)  “Hg announced its intention to increase its aggregate strategic ownership of HgT from c.6% to more than 15% over the medium term, with on market purchases now underway” A good endorsement and prob ly reflects concerns the discount has risen to from single figures to 23% this year. https://newsfile.refinitiv.com...

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Agree Ragged- I am surprised how the share prices of Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) and Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) have performed. I will be buying more- there should be a bounce soon. It will mean averaging my buy price down. With hindsight it would have been better to sell Picton and wait.

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For dividend seekers the ETF L&G Qlty Eq Div ESG Ex UK UCITS ETF GBP Dist (LON:LDUK) fell back by 4.2% last week- it would seem mainly due underlying holdings going ex div and interest rate fears. Trailing yield is around 4.5%. Great Portland Estates (LON:GPE) was down 9% over the week-again interest rate fears . As did Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) . Smiths News (LON:SNWS) was also down 5%. All look attaractive, though I am still resisting investing for the moment as the markets could weaken further. Vietnam might tempt me to buy more on any further weakness. 

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Investor Meet Company this coming week.

CT Global Managed Portfolio Trust (LON:CMPG) CMPG/I Annual Results
14th Sep 2026 at 2:00pm BST

Regional REIT (LON:RGL) HY26 Results
14th Sep 2026 at 2:30pm BST

Global Smaller Companies Trust (LON:GSCT) Annual General Meeting
15th Sep 2026 at 12:00pm BST

Migo Opportunities Trust (LON:MIGO) AGM 2026
17th Sep 2026 at 12:00pm BST

Supermarket Income REIT (LON:SUPR) FY Results for the year ended 30 June 2026
17th Sep 2026 at 2:30pm BST

Foresight Solar Fund (LON:FSFL) Interim results for the half-year ended 30 June 2026
18th Sep 2026 at 11:00am BST

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One of the August top 10 performers Molten Ventures (LON:GROW) are on our MelloMonday show next week: https://www.melloevents.com/mm140926

Andrew Zimmermann, CFO, will be introducing the company to Mello followed by plenty of time for Q&A. 

Use MMSTOCKO50 for 50% off the ticket. If you are a #GROW shareholder, you are eligible for a complimentary ticket with code SHMM26 

There is lots more to enjoy too with four other talks including fund manager Richard Penny. If you cannot attend live, register anyway to receive the recording within 48 hours of the event.

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I know this isn’t an Investment Trusts, but Central Asia Metals (LON:CAML) which I bought last month after what seemed very good Results, has since gone lower again. Is this a buy opportunity. It goes ex a 4.5% dividend on September 24th and the total yield is about 11% at current price if the Cavendish 18p dividend estimate is correct. 

I’ll only do this as a one off, but in case any readers here don’t also look at the Daily Stock Market Report thread you’re missing out on excellent analysis of shares and sometimes Investment Trusts whenever they update investors. Here’s the brief but very good comment from Roland that day on Central Asia Metals (LON:CAML)

SP +9%
Revenue of $145.5 million, up 46%. Profit before tax of $59.3 million, 203% higher. Cash in the bank of $97.2m. Production on track to meet guidance for FY2026. TSX listing application under way.
Cavendish broker forecasts largely unchanged: FY26E adj EPS 42.3c (prev. 42.0c) and dividend of 18p.
AMBER/GREEN = (Roland) [no section below]
Copper prices have risen by 50% over the last year to record highs. These results show the benefit of owning a low-cost producer in a high commodity price environment. While this continues, CAML’s core Kounrad copper recovery operation should continue to generate plenty of cash and the company’s decision to spend A$232m on a copper-gold mining acquisition could look clever. If commodity prices fall then the situation could become a little more complex. I’ve previously expressed concerns that the company’s acquisitions may dilute the quality and profitability of the core business. A detailed evaluation of the intrinsic valuation of CAML’s assets is beyond the scope of this report, but in general terms I think the valuation looks reasonable and expect the 9%+ dividend yield to be well-supported by cash generation this year. I don’t see any reason to change my previous broadly-positive view.
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Hmm, I'm a bit busy to make an informed comment right now, Ken, but thank you for reminding me to look again over the next few days.  I was a shareholder for some years, but sold out last year at about this price, after a failed takeover.  I think the concern is that of turning from a cashcow with long Life of Mine characteristeics to an explorer and developer brings risk, and we are yet to see how well they can convert them.  Aberdeen has been going on a while already with no substantive news.  But certainly the prices of zinc and copper are giving them leeway.  I did fail to press the button @ 135p a little while ago, got distracted and have kicked myself for not accepting 140!  If it goes much lower I'm certainly interested again, though.

On another note, though, I know you are in Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) and seem pretty keen.  I thought I was smart in buying a chunk this morning @ 41.75p, after it declined from the 44p at which I bought a taster last month.  Why it that one below even 41p now?  I felt 60p after consolidating Picton to be a reasonable target, and 8.7% div at purchase quite smart.  But apparently not!

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Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) . I guess there is now a slug of new  SREI shares coming on to the market from former Picton Property Income (LON:PCTN) shareholders. It will take a few days to clear the shares of those who don’t want to hold SREI, even though the c9% yield looks very tempting.

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I remember a specialist in the sector had a chart which expressed the cynical view that Explorers often do well as there is newsflow (assuming they do some drilling)  but then the actual mining starts the shareprice often takes a downturn.   Perhaps something to do with the risks of getting a mine in operation (especially for a junior where costings might be less robust).   Or possibly the cynical view is often right  along with the old adage its better to travel than arrive.

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Worth having a look at the Lassonde Curve littledavesab. Sounds like what you're describing, to some extent at least.

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Very very similar, with the caveat the final leg upwards after studies/finance depends very much on the quality of the asset / company and good execution.     The other stages less so.

Lead me to discover a new phrase: "Valley of Death" (Orphan Period) Feasibility studies, permitting, and engineering begin; stock prices often plummet as early speculators exit and heavy capital costs set in. Also in biotech and pharmaceutical finance refers to the critical funding gap between basic laboratory discovery (often government-funded) and clinical proof-of-concept or commercial viability (backed by venture capital or big pharma.   + Similar in new tech.

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Hi I posted on this which I hold in my ISA for the yield I might add, after the company broadcast. I am holding for now but my negative itch is that I have some issues over the quality of the management and whether they are capable of bringing Cygnus to fruition, whilst maintaining the dividend. In truth the risks have risen and like you I think it would be good to hear something definitive about Aberdeen where the company has sunk plenty of shareholders money 

The company needs luck in running for the vision to be achieved and the large losses incurred on hedging do not inspire confidence........

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Thanks for your thoughts  but Ken regularly mentions several good ideas, which one have you road tested. It would be helpful if you include the ticker when you post.

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Maybe some haven’t noticed that Supermarket Income REIT (LON:SUPR) has announced the purchase of 6 new assets today? 

https://www.stockopedia.com/a/...

They look very good buys with the possible exception of the Morrisons supermarket, as both Morrison and Asda are struggling under the weight of huge debt thanks to private equity takeovers, and both trying to win back customers with aggressive pricing. 

The proceeds of the July 2026 fund raise have now been spent after these acquisitions. 

Supermarket Income REIT (LON:SUPR) was highlighted here regularly late 2024 and early 2025 when at a far too low mid 60s share price. I bought then at 66p and the annual yield at that price is almost 10% with the added plus of around 25% capital gain. The yield is still around 7.5%. 

As so often at present when Trusts issue positive updates there is no increase in the Supermarket Income REIT (LON:SUPR) share price today. 

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The Directors' Dealings summary is also a joy to behold - they've been buying loads for years and just keep adding!

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“The Bank of Japan plans to raise its key interest rate to 1.25% from the current 1% at its policy board meeting on Sept. 17 and 18 in a bid to contain inflationary pressure amid rising crude oil prices and the depreciation of the yen, Nikkei has learned. With the rate last raised in June, the possible increase will mark the shortest span of months in the current rate hiking phase that started in March 2024.” https://asia.nikkei.com/econom...

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I guess the Dunelm (LON:DNLM) share price has been helped today by the £70.000 or so Director buy. 

I’ve decided after posts here to hold the shares for now. My new buy was small and even if it went bust would account for about 0.5% of my total portfolio holdings. Also I took a big profit a good while ago when selling around £15. 

I think my somewhat panicky reaction to the further share price fall yesterday was because of worrying about investors here who haven’t yet got such healthy profits, and I hate posting duff ideas. 

Fingers crossed on the Dunelm (LON:DNLM) share price from here. 

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Hi Ken 

I think this is a good business and I am holding mine despite the clear short term negativity. I think the new CEO ideas seem sensible and having road tested their goods believe these to be well priced  and good quality.  I am looking to top up my albeit small position on further downside so whilst hardly a rampant bull, the bear claws are retracted!

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For those interested and following Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) here's the latest RNS ICEYE SERIES F FINANCING ROUND AND C SHARE UPDATE

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Mello's Investment Trusts & Funds show returns next week with a cracking line up of companies and speakers. Max King will be discussing the current state of the bond market and then four very different investment trusts present...

Mello Investment Trusts & Funds 15th September from 1pm: https://www.melloevents.com/mitf150926

This is a FREE event and you can register via the link above.

1:00pm Keynote Presentation from Investment Columnist and former Fund Manager, Max King: "Who's Afraid of the Bond Market?"
1:30pm Company Presentation from Jpmorgan China Growth & Income (LON:JCGI)
2:00pm Company Presentation from Law Debenture (LON:LWDB)
2:30pm Company Presentation from Capital Gearing Trust (LON:CGT)
3:00pm Company Presentation from Custodian Property Income Reit (LON:CREI)

If you cannot attend LIVE, you can still register and will receive the recording within 48 hours. 

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JPMorgan Global Core Real Assets (LON:JARA) 

Hoping for some pointers on what the process is with the liquidation of JARA after a series of RNSs over recent weeks.

With JARA now in that process and its trading suspended, I would not like to have shares in an unquoted company with the sliver of shares I still hold.

Would I automatically be credited with 75p per share for them and paid on 17th September ?

I’ve not voted to accept the Glenstone offer, thinking mistakenly, that there would be a better offer from elsewhere (which hasn’t materialised). So it looks like it’s a done deal on Interactive Investor where my shares are held.

Is it a question of doing nothing, now that the Glenstone offer seems to have been recommended by the JARA Board today, or am I missing the point, I wonder ?

Thanks in advance for any light that can be shed !

Apologies for being off topic.

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Your post is somewhat confusing.  As you say JARA is suspended and in liquidation.  You will automatically receive the 75p payment announced yesterday and presumably some further smaller payments.

The Glenstone offer for Alternative Income REIT (AIRE) is now unconditional and they will take control of the company.  If you do not want to be trapped in an effectively unlisted company then you have about 14 days to accept the offer.  If you want to accept the offer then you must actively do it on the Interactive Investor site, it won't happen automatically.  

If you don't accept the offer then you may eventually get back more than the 70p offered but you will be at the mercy of Glenstone to treat you fairly as they liquidate the AIRE portfolio over the next three years.  Their first priority is to maximise the profit for their shareholders and they have no obligation to maximise the return to AIRE shareholders.

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Thank you so much number33 for your clear reply my misguided post.

Indeed, I have confused Alternative Income REIT (LON:AIRE) with JPMorgan Global Core Real Assets (LON:JARA).

Many apologies for taking up people’s time. A very poor effort on my part to say the least.

I will be accepting the Glenstone offer for Alternative Income REIT (LON:AIRE) before the deadline to avoid owning shares in an unlisted company.

That’s really helpful of you and a much appreciated thread.

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Hn90kl 

There’s no need to feel bad about your post. No question is stupid if we don’t know the answer and posters here are always happy to respond to anyone querying anything. 

Don’t know how long you’ve been investing including in Investment Trusts, but we were all once beginners. So don’t hesitate to ask again if unsure about anything or needing help to make a decision.

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What great people on this site. I only started with Inv Trusts a few months ths ago and the help I got was excellent, useful and still appreciated.  Still a lot to learn l know but at least I feel more equipped to do so.

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Supermarket Income REIT (LON:SUPR) back in July raised around £100 million via an equity placement and retail offer. I calculated the dilution was around 10% at a price of 83p. The price has today dropped below that mark, with a yield exceeding 7.5%. 

I'm keeping an eye with a view to top up. I doubt it'll ever shoot the lights out, but a steady and reliable earner, IMHO. I hold.

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Its a nice yield  and the tenants are about as good as they get.  However the div policy is  "minimum sustainable uplift of 2% p.a."

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~82% of income is linked to inflation, but a lot of the increases are capped at 3-4%.   
The cost of debt is increasing  - about 4.8% at the moment
I hold and what I own is the difference between two very large numbers and  realise the increase in debt cost tends to land long before any rent increases.  If you think interest rates / inflation will rise a lot over the next couple of years, this may not be the place for your money.

I spoke to an AI - it thinks (sorry anthropomorphising) it is most likely that dividends will not be increased after '27 as LTV is 43% - so not much capacity to borrow - and management wants to double the portfolio so may do dilutive issuances.

This may sound a bit alarming but SUPR must distribute 90% of its property income profits to retain REIT status and the AI tells me that is currently ~5p. (currently ~6.2p)

An average person (me) may say the right thing to do is wait for the next dilutive raise and then a dip.  An above average person (not me) may actually do that.



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Thank you for your reply Andrewdb, you raise some good points there. Now I'm wondering if I am above, below or simply average, but worried that the answer to that might disappoint me... :)

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Literacy Capital (LON:BOOK) moves to main market Friday. Hopefully this will help reduce the discount. I hold.

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https://citywire.com/investmen...

BlackRock World Mining Trust (LON:BRWM) 1/2 yearly update in case missed

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Regional REIT (LON:RGL) Announced a target dividend of 8.0p. I hold. Rent collections are high 99.7% and the EPC ratings are improving 87& is C or more. LTV down to 38.5%. 25% of the properties are empty and are either being sold or upgraded to EPC A or B to create demand for them. 19% of the portfolio is having capex to improve the EPC which should improve yield and make them easier to let. I will continue to hold and see how the management do - collecting the dividend along the way. As the portfolio improves in quality and sales take place- which should lead to a lower vacancy rate a bid must be a possibility. It trades at discount of 49% - so a bid at a 15% discount would probably succeed!

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I think Stephen Inglis has a lot of reputation-restoring to do, and that can't happen quickly in Real Estate, but I think they are making the right moves (lease expiry profile improving, debt ratio ratios improving, etc.).  And I agree, Charles: if the discount persists while the performance gently improves, it's a sitting duck if Steve Morgan is persuaded to sell.  We are strong holders.

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I don't hold but see Dunelm have issued a profit warning this morning and the shares are down 90p or 10% at just under £8. I'm tempted to nibble as they could be in bargain territory especially as they've hinted that trading has improved now that the cooler weather has returned. Will wait to see how the price reacts as the day goes on and read the probable write up on the daily thread but one thing that's very interesting, 14 brokers cover the company and pre todays announcement 3 say strong buy, 6 buy and 3 hold.  Don't want to get controversial so will say no more but that's brokers for you!

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I agree George and have just bought a part stake at only 770p. The share price reaction to the unsurprising news that the very hot weather negatively affected them looks way overdone. They then said that trading has improved now that the weather has at last cooled.  Investors for now have presumably ignored that better news bit. 

As for all those broker buy recommendations,   I always take them with a pinch of salt. 

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After posting I bought some at £7-75 as well Ken, we will see! 

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Hi Ken, You often talk about cutting at the first signs of issues or profit warnings, but you have decided to buy into Dunelm (LON:DNLM) on the day of a profit warning? 

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Good question bsharman. 

Yes. I nearly always sell after the first profits warning. But I continue to monitor shares I held that subsequently fell even further after it in case there are by then signs of better news and the worst being over.  

In the case of Dunelm (LON:DNLM) there have now been 3 profits warnings and their update today, except for the bad news about lower  trading during the long hot spell, looks quite encouraging. So with the share price much lower it looks worth at least a part buy again. I might well take a quick profit or wait for their next update. If that is downbeat I’ll sell, and if there’s a big share price drop after another profits warning, it will likely be at a loss. Also the share price was below my buy price by the close today. If the falls continue my guess is the market knows something negative I don’t and I’ll cut the loss without delay. 

Hope that answers your question. If it doesn’t post again. 

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I’ll be doing the same Ken unless any further fall in the Dunelm price is caused by a general market correction which will hit most shares. In fact if that happens I could be in for a double whammy as just before the close I bought Hollywood Bowl back having sold at a decent gain back in May when the share hit £3. Since then it’s hovered around £2-80 for a couple of months or so but yesterday a broker reduced its price target from £3-76 I think to £3-58. Could be though that the hot weather has hit trading but it’s a good business and the last trading statement that spiked the price to £3 was very encouraging with expansion in Canada very much on the up. I expect or should I say hope that  come the autumn and winter trading will be good as ever cos it’s popular affordable night out. Hope I’m right and the price doesn’t fall too far below tonight’s close as this one’s been good to me in the past. 

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I see the shares price continues to fall. I sold out at £8.25 and will be buying back at some stage.

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Yes Charles. The Dunelm (LON:DNLM) share price fell even further today, not helped by it being a big down day generally. 

I hope my bull case for Dunelm which was followed by a few posting to say they had also bought doesn’t prove to be a very bad call. I’ll probably sell if the share continues to fall and certainly will if Duhelm falls on a good day for similar shares.That’s nearly always a warning sign. If I sell around £7 it might be near the bottom, but I prefer to miss a risky opportunity than risk throwing more money at it. 

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The dividend looks secure, and a special could be paid as the key debt ratio is at 3 , range 2-6. 

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Although the divi looks to be ok I’m not so sure Dunelm will pay another special in the short term Charles. Although the market has been on the skids for the past day or so I do feel uneasy and fear a clanger may have been dropped in buying the shares. Well done holding off so far after you cashed in at £8-25. If the market continues falling I’ll hold but should we see a bounce in the next day or two I might bail out “assuming” the share price responds with the market. If not I’ll sell anyway on the basis of running winners and cutting losers and admitting it looks as if I’ve made a mistake. If that happens it may seem to many a bonkers couple of trades to have made as it will be a ridiculously short term loser to cut.  Whatever occurs over the next few days or so I certainly won’t lose any sleep over it,  the key always has to be to keep losses to a minimum and move on. However should I end up doing a runner it’ s one that will certainly have to be put down to experience and very poor judgement. 

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Been out water collecting to test river water quality since early so missed the bounce. Sure it will drop back again though. Looking to enter at 725-730p

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As not convinced I got my money back into the bounce, in fact actually made about £20 lol. The main thing no damage done but must say I was  surprised at the price spike hitting £7-80 this morning. Yes the chances are it will fall back again and wouldn’t argue with the £7-25 area looking attractive and also making me think again. 

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I had had Dunelm (LON:DNLM) on a watch list for a while, although was happy to not buy it initially as I am trying to do less investing into single companies and sticking to ETF's/IT's/UT's.

However, on todays news I felt it had hit a "bottom" (or at least a decent pull-back) and should see a decent recovery over the next few months - the news and gloom is possibly overdone, although I still have some fearfulness around markets in September, especially the AI balloon which if does come to light will probably impact all prices.

So I decided to pull the trigger, but didnt quite get the "low" as you and Ken did.  I am beginning to consider dividends in my purchase decisions of single companies.  Whilst it is not the most critical factor I have decided to increase my SIPP withdrawals and I would like to do this without having to sell investments where possible - probably more of a consideration once I get back to being fully invested.  Therefore a decent yield will help in achieving this.

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"Moving on Up - On 21 September, FTSE Russell’s reclassification of Vietnam from Frontier to Secondary Emerging Market takes effect, with Vietnamese stocks phased into the FTSE global index series through 2027. FTSE estimates around US$6 billion of passive money tracking its Emerging Market index; the World Bank puts near-term active-plus-passive flows at about US$5 billion, with long-run potential at US$25 billion by 2030."

From VNH's Craig Martin latest newsletter https://dynamcapital.substack....


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Investor Meet Company this coming week.

Pantheon International (LON:PIN)

PANTHEON INTERNATIONAL PLC
Annual Results
7th Sep 2026 at 11:00am BST

Mobius Investment Trust (LON:MMIT)

MOBIUS INVESTMENT TRUST PLC
Investor Presentation
8th Sep 2026 at 10:00am BST

International Public Partnerships (LON:INPP)

INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS LD
Interim Results for the six months to 30 June 2026
10th Sep 2026 at 4:00pm BST

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Picked up some Marwyn Value Investors (LON:MVI) , which I exchanged pretty much for my FDM (Holdings) (LON:FDM) .  The latter has given me a bit of profit and Paul Scott holds it, I believe - having first alerted mem to its cash pile... But looking as I do for longer than short term dividend holds, preferably at steep discounts to NAV, (46% in this case!) I'm hoping that this substitution in the shape of a value/income IT might prove  more stable over the following months.   That said, it  was also mentioned in last week's IC, as a high conviction trust - it's largest holding being in telecoms consolidator, Zegona Communications (LON:ZEG) in which it holds a whopping 26% !  So I might have arrived at at the party.   Here's more info on the trust in case anyone interested why I really shouldn't have bothered!

Marwyn Value Investors | The AIC

Meanwhile, the Bruciefolio for September looks like this - little changed and down somewhat on the week, following a dopamine all time high last Friday.  I don't expect much out performance as my wife and I are now living very largely off the dividends, leaving less to be reinvested.

AAIF, ABDN, ASHM, BLND, BPCR, BVXP, CAML, CARD, CLIG, CSN, DUKE, FGEN, FSFL, GTLY, HFEL, IPX, ITH, ITV, LGEN, LRE, MNG, MVI, NESF, NRR, PZC, OSB, PHP, POLR, RCH, RECI, RWS, SDLF, SDV, SEQI , SHHP, SOHO, SNWS, SQZ, SREI, SUPR, TFIF, TRIG, UKW.

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What can past investment cycles teach us about the AI boom?

The managers of Brunner Investment Trust (LON:BUT) on why data centres are like a commodity. Thought provoking and something I will monitor re my holding inTritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) , Volex (LON:VLX) and Hill & Smith (LON:HILS) .

A checklist AI (Gemini) created for me.

Monitoring AI Data Center Oversupply

Tracking potential oversupply in AI data centers requires continuous monitoring across multiple operational, financial, and infrastructure channels. This guide outlines key quantitative metrics, warning thresholds, and primary monitoring sources.

Key Monitoring Channels

• GPU Compute Indices: Platforms like Silicon Data (Silicon Index) and GPUAlpha track daily standardized hourly prices across neo-clouds and hyperscalers (for models like H100, B200, and AMD MI300X). Falling rental yields indicate excess unutilized hardware.

• Quarterly Filings (SEC 10-Q): Track CapEx metrics and "Purchase Obligations" from Microsoft, Meta, Alphabet, and Amazon. Look for divergence where CapEx keeps growing while AI service revenues stall.

• Grid Interconnection Queues: PJM, ERCOT, and MISO track multi-gigawatt queue cancellations. Power constraints are delaying 30%–50% of speculative builds. A spike in formal cancellations means tenants are walking away before ground is broken.

• Commercial Real Estate (CRE) Reports: CBRE and JLL quarterly data center reports monitor wholesale vacancy rates (currently ~1%–2%) and pre-leasing trends.

INDICATORS TO TRACK MONTHLY

1. Compute Markets: H100 / B200 spot rental rates & secondary market cluster utilization.
2. Financial Metrics: Hyperscaler CapEx vs. AI cloud revenue & GPU depreciation schedules (e.g., 4yr → 6yr extension).
3. Grid Infrastructure: Construction slippage (% delayed vs. planned) & grid queue dropouts / canceled power bids.

Quantitative Indicators Checklistrget / Healthy

Warning Sign (Oversupply)

GPU Rental Rates

Stable to modest decline as hardware ages

Rapid drop in hourly spot prices across secondary clouds

Wholesale Vacancy

1% to 3% globally

Rising above 5%–7% in major hubs (Northern VA, Santa Clara, Frankfurt)

Pre-Lease Ratio

>80% of new builds leased before groundbreaking

Developers building "on speculation" without committed anchor tenants

CapEx Efficiency

Revenue per watt/flop remains stable or rises

CapEx jumps 30%+ while AI cloud revenue growth slows into single digits

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Decent article in the Times about “new space” . Worth doing a trial for a £1 to readWhy big investors are putting billions into ‘New Space’ firms
https://www.thetimes.com/artic...

I hold Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIC) and am goong go buy the new Seraphim New Space UCITS - Accumulating ETF (LON:SPCE) .

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Picton Property Income (LON:PCTN) "The scheme was approved at the general meeting and court meeting, both held on 2 September 2026. There will also be a court hearing in order to sanction the scheme, to be held on 8 September 2026. If approved, the scheme is expected to become effective from 10 September 2026."

I hold.

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Nikkei Asia "Vietnam's eight-month trade volume reached a record $770 billion, the statistics office said Thursday, as the country benefited from artificial intelligence-driven demand for data centers and other goods.

Vietnam is also gaining as companies move production out of China, analysts say, as it had the world's largest trade surplus with America in the first half of the year, at $114 billion, according to U.S. Census data."

https://asia.nikkei.com/spotli...

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There was a (very) brief discussion on Safestore Holdings (LON:SAFE) last month: https://www.stockopedia.com/a/...

I did look at it again, but today's update kind of coincides with my thinking of the  outlook... things are a little slow. My Google research leads me to believe they have spent to expand, but that cost is yet to be repaid, with interest rates probably expected to be higher for longer, not helping.

They have stated today that they are reviewing the phasing of remaining store developments, which to me reads that they are slowing them and preserving capital. They also expect earnings to be in the lower half of estimates.

On a long term view, the current price could represent a decent entry point, with a 5% yield to keep you happy (OK, not you Ken!!) while you wait.

No position, but it's getting more interesting.

Jon

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Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT) latest nesletter. Iceye now valued at €10bn following recent funding. So the SSIT nav could be £2.50 though depending on if there was any dilution in that funding. That would suggest Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIC) shares at 81p are about right based on conversion. Unless the SSIC nav rises above £1.00.

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Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) tipped in the Times Tempus column today. These few words in the article are worth noting:-

“There are plenty of REITS ripe for picking.” 

Guesswork which one will be next. I hold a lot of them, mainly for the big  dividends but also there’s also a high chance of further bids/consolidations. 

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I read it as LMP will be making further acquisitions once the Picton Property Income (LON:PCTN) is completed. I hold a few as well as iShares UK Property UCITS ETF GBP (Dist) (LON:IUKP) .

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VITP Update

It's been a good month for the VITP thanks mainly to the commodities.

Please note that the valuation was taken today (the 2nd) and so includes yesterday's big falls.

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With 20 up ticks it’s clear some like seeing and possibly make use of, the Virtual portfolio.   I was going to do a post on some of the holdings today but another Rigor put a stop to that. So for now just this waffly summary. I’ll  do a more useful update when I can. 

I’m hoping that our portfolios will hold up and survive even an extreme bear market, and the same applies to the VIrtual portfollio  Investment Trusts like City Of London Investment Trust (LON:CTY) a VITP holding have been going since the 1800s and survived both World Wars and everything else thrown at them. So they should continue to cope with anything Trump’s folly leads to, or whatever other shocks are coming in the years ahead. A debt crisis is the obvious one but so are others like Russia’s attempts to disrupt us in all sorts of ways, including cutting vital internet cables etc. 

A big difference between our portfolios and the Virtual Portfolio is that I’ve gone for big annual dividend income, but income has not been a factor for many of the new buys or past buys 

Finally for now; I have added to my Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) holding today on the first signs of the share price going up again. (Schroder Real Estate Investment Trust (LON:SREI) is also in the Virtual Portfolio.  Many shareholders seem to be anti the joint bid with Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) for Picton Property Income (LON:PCTN) but commentators seem positive. They can’t both be right! Whatever, the discount widened a lot last week to well over 30% . That’s a strong buy hint that I took advantage of for the top up. I also hold Londonmetric Property (LON:LMP) but not Picton. 

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Thanks for your reminder about Alternative Income REIT (LON:AIRE) number33. Please accept the Glenstone offer. It means a near 100% profit with dividends included since buying for the VITP. 

Also a new buy. 

Excellent update from International Public Partnerships (LON:INPP) today. Please buy £2500 International Public Partnerships (LON:INPP) at the current 139.5p starting price today and trades at that price. (I’ve just bought at 139.2 p)

This seems an ideal replacement for the soon to go Alternative Income REIT (LON:AIRE)


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VITP trade confirmation

INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS LIMITED (INPP), 1,778 bought @ 139.5p, Cost = £2,498.71

Available cash = £2,445.

Sorry Ken I should have asked you if you wanted to accept the Glenstone offer, I had forgotten that AIRE was in the VITP.

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Apologies number33. I did include “please accept the Glenstone offer” in my reply to you just after 8 a.m but I can see it was hidden away. 

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Kepler have published a research note on Molten Ventures (LON:GROW) https://www.trustintelligence....

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Gresham House Energy Storage Fund (LON:GRID) (I hold) increase in NAV announced and a confident statement. https://newsfile.refinitiv.com...

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I sold Gresham House Energy Storage Fund (LON:GRID) on the rise- made 10% since I bought early August. If it falls back below 96p will buy again.

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Positive Trading update from Custodian Property Income Reit (LON:CREI) today. They mention in this section the recent share price fall and reasons for it.

“The challenging economic and geopolitical environment is at odds with the performance of the occupational property market, where positive rental growth is a feature of all the main commercial real estate sectors and is reflected in our asset management initiatives below. This is a shift from previous quarters where, for some time, rental growth has been absent on the high street and in regional offices. Custodian Property Income REIT’s portfolio recorded like-for-like ERV growth through the year to 31 March 2026 of 3.3%, and a further 1.0% in the three months to 30 June 2026. The reversionary potential[9] of the portfolio now stands at 15%, following growth in the ERV from £55.6m to £56.1m, during the Quarter.

Notwithstanding some seasonal, post year-end weakness in the share price, where dividend yields have drifted out to 7.4%, the dividend yield based on the three-month average daily closing price of c.86p has been 7.0%. We believe this represents an attractive entry point for shareholders to secure a long-term investment in real assets that offer downside protection in an inflationary environment, with provable rental growth and earnings growth potential.”


Custodian Property Income Reit (LON:CREI)  looks well worth holding. As for buying….it would be a definite yes but for extreme market risks at present with serious escalation of Iran war and rising oil price. That increases inflation risks and consequent interest rises instead of the once expected interest rate falls. So there might be an even better buy opportunity soon. 

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Hi

Ref Seraphim Space Investment Trust (LON:SSIT)

Sept 1 (Reuters) - Seraphim Space Investment Trust PLC SSIT.L:

  • SERAPHIM SPACE: SERAPHIM NEW SPACE UCITS ETF TO LIST ON LSE UNDER TICKER 'SPCE', XETRA & BORSA ITALIANA UNDER 'SERA'
  • SERAPHIM SPACE: LAUNCHES SERAPHIM NEW SPACE UCITS ETF, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HANETF

Regards

Howard

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I listened to the Gore Street Energy Storage Fund (LON:GSF) pre-AGM plea just now and will be voting for Resolutions 1-16 and against 16 &17.  If you're a shareholder, it's worth a listen.  I believe them when the say there was an NDA on price on the recent asset sale above book value.  I feel they (with a lot relevant experience) should be given time, while handing out c. 3.5% per quarter at this price to all shareholders.  A sale forced  by Saba will not get the best prices for assets. 

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I have voted the opposite. Selling an asset to a fund managed by the same firm is not a great idea without full disclosure. I read the reasoning , but we own the business so should know. The accounts will have to reveal this unless the auditors fail in their job. Sounds like the manager wants to grab so more assets on the cheap, so not disclose the price they paid and it could have been a good price. Maybe a cynical view, but the board surely should have said what a great deal they had done. To repeat we own the business!! 

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Gore Street Energy Storage Fund (LON:GSF) Citywire article on why they cannot disclose the sale price of the asset sold https://citywire.com/investmen...

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Any views on Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) - It sits on a 33% discount. 

Holdings - (factsheet doesn't give the % breakdown) 

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I have held. Then Ackman started fiddling about with the corporate structure and failed to get a US closed fund away. He did reduce the UK fees. He was rather to keen on Trump for me, so sold out. Discount is attractive and Ackman is not happy with that. They were buying back shares to try and reduce but that did not work.

Pershing Square Holdings (LSE: PSH) Portfolio Holdings (% Weighting):

17.6% - Brookfield Corp (BN)

17.4% - Amazon.com (AMZN)

15.7% - Uber Technologies (UBER)

15.3% - Microsoft (MSFT)

12.9% - Universal Music Group (UMG)

12.2% - Restaurant Brands International (QSR)

11.1% - Meta Platforms (META)

8.7% - Howard Hughes Holdings (HHH)

0.8% - Seaport Entertainment Group (SEG)

0.7% - Alphabet / Google (GOOGL)

0.5% - Hertz Global Holdings (HTZ)

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I thought they had divested Universal Music (AMS:UMG)

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Maybe- only what I could find Chelsea. I sold and will not buy again(but made a profit).

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Bsharman

As I’ve posted many times here (but you might not have seen any of them) THE place to go if wanting to know top 10 holdings and weightingsand much much much more, is AIC. Just Google “AIC Compare Companies.” 

This AIC link is for Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) . Just click on “PORTFOLIO” heading and then the other headings. The “ANNOUNCEMENT” heading is well worth using as you can opt for important announcements only.

https://www.theaic.co.uk/compa...


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Hi Ken, Yes I know and use The AIC but his portfolio has changed quite a bit, so went directly to the Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) website. The AIC data is from 31/12/2025 ! 

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Well spotted. I hadn’t noticed that Dec 2025 date for the Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) top 10 holdings. All the other Trusts in that sector show recent dates for the portfolio top 10 etc. I scrolled through the 59 pages of their August Results and couldn’t find the top 10 in it. So does AIC still having that 2025 date reflect PSH communications with shareholders? I don’t know as I don’t follow apart from noticing it always seems to trade at a very big discount, but again don’t know why. 

To be fair PSH did write a lot about their holdings in their August Results update. 

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You have to be approved to log into the PSH website as I recall.

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Pershing Square Holdings (LON:PSH) August Results could only be accessed using the link they provided, and then using the pdf. Don’t know whether that means I had access to their website. 

Here’s that link:-

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Markets are well down today. e.g BlackRock World Mining Trust (LON:BRWM) down over 50p but still just over the £10 where at that price I’ve suggested it was ideal for a top slice. Ditto CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) which is not yet down much and still above the £4 level where again there’s a strong case for top slicing. Polar Capital Holdings (LON:POLR) where some were buying at the peak is down over 5% so far today. Another worth a top slice? 

I’ve been hopelessly wrong about markets falling after start of Iran war. Instead markets have roared ahead with imo bonkers valuations for some big tech shares in the US thanks to AI. 

I’ve limited my top slicing to a few Trusts and shares like BlackRock World Mining Trust (LON:BRWM) and CQS Natural Resources Growth and Income (LON:CYN) simply because they had become a far too large proportion of my portfolio. But for needing for health reasons a big income portfolio that I hope will look after itself, I would have done more top slicing by now. I hope still to be here when a potentially big financial crisis and crashing markets will test to the full the expectation that our portfolios can ride it out. It could be very soon going by those rising bond yields. 

When is that crisis going to start? Brilliant article (again) by Andrew Neil in the Mail today on the potential disaster ahead at some point. 

https://www.dailymail.com/deba...

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Just ETF have an new article "Which ETFS behave most like cash " . So suggestions to get around new restrictions on holding cash in ISA's . https://www.justetf.com/uk/aca...

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Residential Secure Income (LON:RESI) fall reflects the return of capital -19p in August. Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) which is opne of my larger holdings had a bad month- it also went ex dividend but it looks like market volatility and the integration of UKCM were partly the reason. With Segro being taken over BBOX is the next best play on data centres. Despite the huge energy usage at the moment I am still of the view the benefits of AI outway any environmental impact. I do not think any AI fall out in some of the large US tech stocks will affect data centres too much- but we will see. BBOX looks good value at these levels and I would buy more- except I am overweight already. SSIT and GROW had good months. The managers of SSIT are launching an ETF- focussing on "new" space tech companies rather than old- or so I read in the Times. It is an actively managed ETF- rebalanced once a year though exceptions will be made for new issues. I must admit i have never looked at Onward Opportunities (LON:ONWD) - it seems it is an activist trust. Trades around NAV and it could be the share price rise was more a bounce back from underperformance earlier in the year. Not one I will be looking into any further.

The miners all had a good month. I am exposed through a couple of ETF's- iShares Copper Miners UCITS ETF USD (Acc) (LON:MINE) and Wisdomtree Commodity Securities (LON:ALUM) and gold through my oldest holding Perseus Mining (ASX:PRU) .

I am holding a lot of cash at the moment and have 2 short dated gilts maturing in September. I remain nervouse so will probably invest all or most of the matured funds into another short dated gilt. These are funds not in a tax shelter so low coupon short dated gilts give us a CGT free gain and little taxable income. This looks a good option 0.125% Treasury Gilt 2028. 

I have tendered some of my VNH holding. When I receive the funds will buy back in to Vietnam- either VietNam Holding (LON:VNH) or Xtrackers FTSE Vietnam Swap UCITS ETF 1C (LON:XFVT) . Depends on what VNH does once tender over. Last time I did this I managed to buy back in at less than the tender price by about 10%.

Crystal Amber Fund (LON:CRS) which I have a small holding in- and showing a largish loss is now on a 50% discount to NAV. Worth a punt if you have faith in Morphic Medical.

September could be dominated by the US/Canada situation. Trump appears to be more unhinged as the days go by. The US debt and what some papers are claiming a lack of funding in the military is maybe affecting him and the reckless foreign policy he has embarked on would seem illogical.  Looks like rates will have to rise which will no doubt annoy him even more. Hopefully Russia will not test Nato's resolve- though Putin must be sorely tempted given the reported lack of missiles in the US. Hopefully not.

For now I will keep a fair amount in cash and recycle some holdings to increase the overall yield of our funds. My SIPP is now yielding 6% but over all our funds the yield is only 2.66%  according to Snowball Analytics. That is lower than I thought so need to make some changes.

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Once again Charles many thanks for this highly useful forum. 

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