Small Cap Value Report (18 Oct) - AFS, GBO, HYNS, ABM, VLX
Good morning! It's Friday already, and an extremely quiet day for company reporting today. There's a profit warning from an AIM-Listed Israeli-based water filtration company called Amiad Water Systems (LON:AFS). They say that a slowdown in business is continuing, and that the full calendar year 2013 is likely to show revenues of $115-120m, and net profit between $4-6m. It's not a company I've looked at before, and generally I don't touch overseas companies that List on AIM any more, as so many have turned out to be disasters for one reason or another. So why take the risk when you don't have to?
Having said that, I very much approve of the way this company has presented its profit warning - by giving specific guidance to investors on what range their turnover and profits are likely to be. All companies should do this, as it removes a lot of the guesswork for investors, and hence enables us to make more informed decisions.
It was good to see a lively discussion here yesterday about Globo (LON:GBO), where opinion is very divided. Although I would say that the tone of the discussion fell well below the standards we're used to here - so do please try to keep all comments civil in tone, and avoid any type of personal abuse or insinuations. A good rule of thumb is try not to type anything unless you would be happy to say it to someone face to face.
Coincidentally, it was my local Share Club monthly meeting last night, and someone proposed Globo as a share we should buy! So I chuckled and told them how I'd spent most of the day battling with bulls of the stock who want to ignore the glaring red flags in the accounts, and get terribly fractious when these problems are highlighted. Funnily enough, we came close to buying a few as a trading punt - I explained my serious concerns about their accounts, but we agreed that it clearly has momentum, and that people with deep pockets have bought the story & keep pumping in more & more money. So the likelihood is that the shares could easily continue upwards in the short term. Of course that's not of interest to me in this column - as I am focused on long term value here, not short term price movements. Momentum trading can work very well, providing you don't believe the hype but instead treat it as a punt, and get out before the bubble bursts. It's not my thing, but other people might do very well using that approach, whatever floats your boat.
Anyway, it was the busiest day ever for my column, with over 6,000 readers, and the busiest ever discussion thread from one of my articles, so that was great - even if one or two new members do still need to be house trained!
The recurring theme at last night's Share Club was that we just couldn't find much in the way of Value. We looked at about 10 possible new shares to buy (mainly mid to large caps), but with each one we found ourselves recoiling at valuations mostly in the PER range of 15-20, and unremarkable dividend yields. We agreed that those prices just don't give a sufficiently attractive risk/reward balance.
I am still finding pockets of value in smaller caps, but most small caps are now fully, or over-priced in my opinion. So in my view it's now all about remaining disciplined about valuations, and keeping some cash on the sidelines for the inevitable correction. Also, with my own money I'm prepared to take a few small punts on slightly more racy things, if they look like good trading situations - we are in a bull market after all - but would not be comfortable doing that sort of stuff with other peoples' money.
There's an IMS for its Q1 trading from automotive repair manual publisher Haynes Publishing (LON:HYNS). It sounds fairly positive, but I can't see any reference to the key information of how profits are compared with forecasts. Also I can't see any forecasts for the company, so all in all a bit of an information vacuum - or rather they have given information on sales, but not profitability, which is missing the point a bit, in my opinion.
Sorry about this, but I really can't find anything else of interest. Other than to note that another bull market characteristic I've noted in recent weeks is that quite a few shares seem to be recovering well from profit warnings. In the last few years, when companies warned on profit, that would shatter confidence in them, and it might take six months for that confidence to return. Lately however, some shares seem to drop (say) 20-30% on the day of the warning, then immediately begin recovering the next day. This has happened with Anite (LON:AIE) this week.
The obvious conclusion is that, so long as these buoyant market conditions continue, it might be worth looking at profit warnings, and buying the dips, providing the company looks fundamentally sound, more as trades than for the long term. Whilst I'm a long term investor mainly, I'm certainly not averse to grabbing a quick 10-20% on something if it looks fairly low risk, you'd be crazy not to!
I did that recently with Albemarle & Bond Holdings (LON:ABM) actually - it's not a stock that I want to hold at all really, but for a quick in & out trade why not? It netted me 60% in two days, which certainly involved an element of luck with the timing, but it's not to be sniffed at. My initial concerns about their profit warning were overblown, and once I checked out their Balance Sheet properly, it became clear that the Bank were very likely to continue supporting the company, given its asset backing (stock and the large debtor book), so an opportunity to grab a quick rebound arose.
Other than that, I think it's newsflow which will drive the shares I'm in. Things like Volex (LON:VLX) have tried to break out on the upside, but stalled repeatedly, so I suspect we'll need a catalyst in the form of a (hopefully) more upbeat trading statement there before anything much happens. There's a chance that it could have one more profit warning in it, who knows? If so, I'll just ride that out. As long as the position size is controlled so that a (say) 25% drop in share price won't hurt too much, then it's just normal everyday risk which is an inherent part of the risk/reward balance with investing.
I'll sign off for the day and the week, and wish you all a pleasant weekend.
Regards, Paul.
(of the companies mentioned today, Paul has a long position in VLX.
A Small Caps Fund to which Paul provides research services also has a long position in VLX)
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17 comments
VLX Is this the new management clearing the books?
do you have a crystal ball? Volex drops 26% today.
Well anticipated!
Good responses guys, the last 4 comments all make excellent points.
Regards, Paul.
Paul doesn't the issue of PE depend on how you define it. CAPE for example will understate as the economy expects to grow whereas a PE based on current expectations will more effectively capture the expected growth. I know this doesn't affect you because of your value bias but it seems to me as markets get riskier, I.e. More reliant on expected growth one has to be more specific with the tools used. On your point of valuation I do agree. If expectations for generally lower growth in developed markets exist should we be looking at mature low growth businesses on 15x? Answer no. I think there is a need for the long term market PE expectations to fall but all this money being printed has to go somewhere for the time being.
Incidentally long may the recovery in Anite last as I am in at 112!!!!! However a further sign of over bullish tendencies is stories in the market place and I note this week there are all sorts of stories about a bidder for Anite arising at the inflate price of 190. Erm ..............
Paul - lots of my favourite stock screens are looking very light on candidate stocks right now. That's always a barometer of market frothiness in my opinion.
I'd be inclined to actually insist on real names in these forums if the tone of discussion descended into the quality we see on other sites. Frankly there are many of us who now post under our real names, and it's increasingly the norm across many social media websites. Personally I don't see the issue with it and it would keep everyone in check !
I've been astonished to find out the online names of a few people I've known over the years - I couldn't believe how differently they posted to how they acted in real life. If anyone wants to share their opinion on the pros and cons of real names let me know.
I agree real names would help contain the trolling, but you do sacrifice privacy, and it's not a complete solution: some people will still troll under their real name (we had one here a few posts ago). So is it worth it? I for one use an "anonymous" identity on financial forums because I don't want my financial affairs to be an instant google away for every random stranger I meet in non-financial circumstances.
I'm exactly in agreement with cig - In principal I would prefer to post under my own name but am for some (possibly irrational) reason reluctant to have stuff out there in my real name. I would say that I always use the same pseudonym on all financial sites and hope it will become associated with genuine and respectful opinion, whether insightful or deluded. I try not to reply or comment on posts I regard as rubbish. Names such as Marben100 have certainly achieved this status IMV and I think that is a close second to real names.
Hi Monty9,
Fair comments. I've done the same - used the nickname "paulypilot" for the last 14 years, and that is the only ever nickname that I have used on every site I've ever posted on. So most people know that's me, and that I never post under any other name.
I take your point that a pseudonym does allow people to reveal more details about their personal portfolio, knowing that it cannot be Googled by anyone else and linked to them instantly.
On balance I think Ed is right to say that real names should be encouraged, or where people are not comfortable with that, perhaps abbreviated forms of name, or some form of pseudonym that contains at least part of their real name, not a completely anonymous pseudonym would be best.
The problem I have with pseudonyms is that I find it so difficult to remember peoples' real names, let alone remember their pseudonym as well. So half the time I've got absolutely no idea who I'm talking to, either in person or online LOL!
Cheers, Paul.
Re "we found ourselves recoiling at valuations mostly in the PER range of 15-20", isn't there a bit of nominal anchoring here? Shouldn't the rank (within sector/index, which Stocko conveniently displays) matter more than nominal values? I mean stock picking is always about relative value. If you think the market as a whole itself is under/overvalued, stock picking is just the wrong tool to mitigate or exploit that.
Hi Cig,
What I meant to say was that we were looking at fairly ordinary, mature companies with limited growth prospects that are rated at 15-20 times earnings, which we think is not an attractive proposition on risk/reward.
I don't have a problem paying a PER of 15-20 if the company is demonstrating strong & sustainable growth, but many things rated at that sort of level don't look exciting in that regard.
Cheers, Paul.
I agree with the essence of your argument, and just suggesting that one can benefit from expressing the same idea in rank rather than nominal terms. For example, my own rule of thumb would be for instance for mature companies PE < median, and for reasonable growth prospects, up to 2nd quartile of PE. Such rank rules keep working wherever the market is, unlike the PE 15 one who will exclude too many things when the average PE is 50, and include too many things when the average PE is 5.
I agree that it's hard to find good stocks in the UK, but there are some high quality stocks in the Euro zone. My current favourites are: Implenia AG (SWX:IMPN), MGI Coutier SA (EPA:MGIC), Salmar ASA (OSL:SALM), Cegid SA (EPA:CGD) & £BAKKA
Also Let's Gowex SA (MCE:GOW) has been a good performer for me over the last month. I'm patiently waiting for Awilco Drilling (OSL:AWDR) to realise it's value and I've been mystified by the decline Spectrum ASA (OSL:SPU) (perhaps concerns over Libya)
I'm tending to pick stocks from what I consoider to be solid European countries, e.g. Norway, France, Switzerland, etc.
As always do your own research.
Phil
Hi Paul, I realise that it's another Israeli company however I have done quite a bit of research after seeing that Mark Slater had bought some for his fund. It generates a lot of cash and is promising to return half of its annual profits as dividends. It is currently showing very strong growth in turnover (up 52.7% in the first 9 months) however I agree that the key with this one is to keep a close eye on the cost to acquire each customer. For me it is a growth at a reasonable price share. It is on a forward PE of about 9 and yielding about 6%. This is well below the PER of 15 for IG index. I won't bet the farm on this one but do feel that it has potential. I also note that a director bought 50,000 shares yesterday after a large rise @ 148p.
P.S I see GLOBO (I definitely don't hold any nor would I want to) are presenting at Proactive investors in Mayfair on Thursday the 24th of October. It should be interesting evening based on the response they seem to get on bulletin boards!
This is worth a read in case anyone hasn't seen it...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/10386450/Terry-Smith-Words-that-should-be-banned-from-finance.html
Hi Paul. Any thoughts on Plus500? There is a good write up in the Telegraph Questor section today.
Hi bsharman,
I don't normally touch financials - there's too much hidden risk, and the accounts can be difficult to fathom. I think it's an overseas based company too, which I don't normally cover.
Cheers, Paul.
Glad to hear it's going well and that the readership in increasing, have a good week-end,
K