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Small Cap Value Report (Fri 14 May 2021) - FRP, WRKS, TET

Good morning! It's Paul & Jack here with the SCVR for Friday.

Timing - we need to be finished by 11:30 today, which is fine because we only have 3 companies to report on. I have to see a solicitor about making my will (purely precautionary, I'm feeling fine!). I've just been researching inheritance tax, and it's a nightmare. Now I see why so many elderly people blow their savings on round the world cruises! Rather that than pay 40% tax on it. I'll have to seriously think about starting up an AIM IHT-qualifying portfolio, which seems to be the easiest way around IHT. Update at 11:27 - today's report is now finished.

ZANE Zoom

Thanks to everyone who signed up for the Zoom meeting that humanitarian aid charity ZANE has organised for us, to show their appreciation for the funds we've raised, and to tell us more about their work.

It's 2pm today, and there are still a few places left. So if you email me before 11:30, I can get you a place.

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Fashion news -

My morning email from Joules (LON:JOUL) (I hold) tells me that dungarees are back in fashion.

Some of my female friends tell me that dungarees never went out of fashion!

https://www.joules.com/

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Agenda -

Paul's Section:

Frp Advisory (LON:FRP) (I hold) - FY 04/2021 trading update - another rise in guidance, the 5th since if floated in March 2020. Looks a decent share.

Works Co Uk (LON:WRKS) - incomplete information in today's FY 04/2021 trading update. This retailer was seriously struggling before covid, so I fail to see why the share price is showing such a strong recovery - sentiment more than fundamentals driving the price perhaps, as we've seen recently with a lot of retailers. I'm sceptical about the longer-term fundamentals, but have no idea what the shorter term share price will do.

Jack's Section:

Treatt (LON:TET) - circling back to Tuesday's update. Expensive valuation but impressive gross margin expansion begins to explain why this may be justified.

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Paul’s Section

Frp Advisory (LON:FRP)

(I hold)

125p - mkt cap £304m

Here are my notes from 12 Feb 2021 - when FRP said it was exceeding market expectations, and upped adj EBITDA from £19.2m guidance, to £21m (which equates to 6.4p EPS).

Full Year Trading Update today -

FRP Advisory Group plc, a leading UK professional services firm specialising in advisory services, today announces a trading update for the full year ended 30 April 2021.
Strong performance, with continued growth and strategic delivery
Organic growth was driven by some large high-profile appointments early in the financial year and further gains in market share
Four complementary acquisitions were completed within the year, also contributing towards our growth.
As a result, the Group expects to report revenues for the full year to 30 April 2021 of £79 million, up 25% on the prior year (FY 2020: £63.2 million), and underlying adjusted EBITDA* of £23 million, up 22% on the prior year (FY 2020: £18.8 million). These results exceed the guidance provided in the 12 February 2021 trading update.

Indeed, that’s another upgrade from £21m to £23m adj EBITDA - good news.

Although as I always complain, why on earth are companies reporting adj EBITDA these days? That’s not real profit! We actually need the EPS and PBT figures please.

Broker update - many thanks to Cenkos for publishing an update note this morning, available on Research Tree. Strikingly, this is the 5th upgrade since FRP floated in March 2020.

The latest forecast for FY 04/2021 goes up to 7.1p - a PER of 17.6

Dividends - a key reason to hold this share, the 3.9p forecast divi is a yield of about 3.1%, and that yield could rise over time.

Liquidity - looks strong -

The Group's balance sheet remains strong with an unaudited net cash balance as at 30 April 2021 of £16.4 million (Cash of £24.4 million less recent structured debt of £8 million). The group also has an undrawn revolving credit facility (RCF) available of £10 million with Barclays Bank.

Diary date - results will be published on 27 July 2021.

Outlook - some short term uncertainty perhaps? A lot depends on when & how the Govt business support measures are withdrawn -

The medium-term outlook for our market remains positive and we have sufficient resource flexibility to service an increase in demand. The board remains confident of making further progress in the upcoming financial year."

My opinion - I’m impressed with these results, achieved against a backdrop of a subdued insolvency market. Note that FRP also has a corporate finance division, so benefits from high M&A activity.

FRP is like a posher version of Begbies Traynor (LON:BEG) (I hold). I think both shares look attractive, for growth and yield. Plus they’re good counter-cyclical hedges - i.e. they do well when the economy does badly, and seem to be doing pretty well when the economy is improving too.

The StockRank doesn't look right to me - in particular negative quality scores, when this is actually a high quality business, so something seems to have gone wrong here.

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Works Co Uk (LON:WRKS)

71p (down c.2% at 10:01) - mkt cap £44m

Full Year Trading Update

TheWorks.co.uk plc, the multi-channel value retailer of arts, crafts, toys, books and stationery, announces its pre-close update for the 53 weeks ended 2 May 2021 (the "Period" or "FY21").

Clearly this has been a highly disrupted year, due to covid/lockdowns, nicely summarised by the company -

The Works has delivered a resilient performance, with lower sales than in FY20 reflecting Government restrictions, partially offset by good growth online and strong customer demand when stores were allowed to trade. During the 53 week Period, there were 16 weeks when all stores were closed and a further 8 weeks when at least 75% of the stores were closed, as required by Government restrictions. This included our peak Christmas trading period and, as a result, total sales (1) declined by 19.0% to £206.2m (FY20: 254.6m).


Online sales are up strongly, but the crucial figure (what % of total sales are online) is not provided. I seem to remember that it’s not a particularly large element of total sales. I’m only really interested in buying retailers that have successfully switched to c.50% or more online sales (e.g. Next (LON:NXT) , Joules (LON:JOUL) (I hold)). The danger is that other retailers, with a smaller proportion of online sales, could end up withering away.

In line with expectations, but it’s not stated what those expectations are! -

Immediately following the Government's announcement of the most recent lockdown in early January 2021, the Company revised its internal profit forecast. The final FY21 figure is expected to be in line with this forecast.

Liquidity - sounds fine for now, but these numbers below are meaningless, without telling us how much creditors have been stretched (especially rents, and VAT which I seem to recall was a big stretched creditor here). Stretching your creditors is not “generating cash” I’m afraid, because in the future those creditors have to be paid up-to-date -

Despite sales levels being significantly lower than normal, through the tight control of costs allied to careful cash management and use of the available Government support schemes, the Group ended FY21 in a strong financial position, having generated cash of approximately £7.5m during the year. On a pre IFRS 16 basis and excluding finance leases, the Group held net cash balances of approximately £0.5m at the end of the period (FY20 year end: net bank debt of £7.1m), resulting in headroom of £30.0m within its bank facility limit.

I’m surprised the bank is prepared to extend such a large facility, to a business that was struggling before the pandemic struck.

Current trading - a balanced appraisal of things here -

Sales since the majority of stores reopened have been very encouraging (the Group's stores in the Republic of Ireland are due to reopen on Monday 17 May). It is probably too soon to judge the extent to which these encouraging sales reflect strong underlying performance as opposed to pent up demand. As expected, with the reopening of the stores, online sales have reduced but remain significantly ahead of pre COVID-19 levels.

Outlook - guidance is withheld, which I think is not appropriate any more -

The Board's view is that the level of uncertainty at the beginning of FY22 related to COVID-19 and its potential impacts on the business is lower than it was at the beginning of FY21. Nevertheless, a higher than normal degree of uncertainty remains, and is expected to persist for some time particularly regarding the shape of the consumer recovery. In this context, the Group is not publishing profit guidance but, due to its strong financial position, and the evident appeal of its proposition, the Board is confident in the future prospects of the business.

I wouldn’t describe the financial position as strong. Although checking back to the last interim results, if you reverse out the IFRS 16 deficit, then NTAV is not bad. Middling maybe, rather than strong.

My opinion - for me, the litmus test is, how was the business model before covid? Plus, what changes have since been made - e.g. have leases been jettisoned with a CVA or pre-pack (ideally, as with both Quiz (LON:QUIZ) (I hold) and Revolution Bars (LON:RBG) (I hold)), or have rents come down substantially on a consensual basis? Have sales shifted substantially online? Those are the key questions.

I don’t feel WRKS is providing enough information for me to assess that. Nothing is said about rent reductions, for example. The proportion of sales online is also withheld. If that information was very positive, then it would be shouted from the rooftops. So I can only conclude from its absence, that the information is not so good.

We also have to remember that multi-site operators like WRKS have had a huge benefit from furlough & business rates relief. Those are one-offs probably, so the company has a mountain to climb, in increased sales, just to get back on an even keel after covid, once costs normalise. Plus higher wages. All assuming that covid doesn’t worsen again.

Based on the limited information available, I think this big recovery in share price is probably presenting a favourable exit opportunity. This business was seen as a failed float, and had a big question mark over its long-term relevance, and even survival, before covid. Covid has probably made the longer term picture worse, not better. So why the share price has recovered so much, I really don’t know. It looks like irrational market exuberance to me, a momentum trade feeding on itself?

Hence overall, I’m sceptical. It was a good rebound from the lows, but looks to have run ahead of the fairly harsh reality facing the company longer term, in my view.

We’re seeing similar surging share prices in other struggling retailers, which have also gone to questionable recent highs, in my opinion - e.g. Ted Baker (LON:TED) and Superdry (LON:SDRY) - both of which were in difficulties before covid, and need a major sort out, which may or may not be occurring, the jury’s out on those too. Time will tell, nobody knows for sure what’s going to happen.

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Jack’s section

Treatt (LON:TET)

Share price: 1,135p (pre-open)

Shares in issue: 59,645,654

Market cap: £677m

Yesterday was a pretty dicey day on the markets for many, so it’s notable that Treatt (LON:TET) shares were up by more that 7%. This ingredients manufacturer gave an update on Tuesday but it’s a quiet end to the week so we have the space to circle back to it.

This high Quality consumer defensives stock just doesn’t know how to go down at the moment. It’s a great company, with a long history of revenue and profit growth, as well as dividend payments to shareholders.

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The group’s categories are Citrus (44% of group revenue), Tea (11% of group revenue), Fruit & vegetables (10%), Health & wellness (8%), Herbs, spices & florals (9%), Synthetic aroma (18%), and Coffee (currently negligible but with good growth opps in the US). The US remains its largest market, generating 45% of group revenue.

This is one of the better ‘buy and hold’ candidates out there, but the stock is becoming very ‘expensive’ according to relative valuation metrics.

It’s never that simple though. If you are buying a stake in the present value of future cash flows, then a company with a lot of profitable growth in store can quite rightly command a high multiple and still be cheap in the absolute sense.

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Is that the case here? The PE ratio has been rising and the dividend yield has been falling, so the company is commanding a higher premium than it has done in the past.

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Some stocks look expensive and just get more expensive because the investment opportunity is so compelling. And, when that is the case, the possibility of upside earnings surprises means the forecast PE multiple might not actually be as demanding as forecasts suggest.

Half year results

Strong growth over H1 with multiple opportunities across expanding addressable markets
Profit before tax and exceptional items for the current financial year is expected to be at least £20.0m, exceeding the current market consensus of £18.0m.

Highlights:

  • Revenue +13.5% to £60.8m,
  • Gross profit margin +880bps to 35%,
  • Operating profit +73.9% to £10.6m,
  • Profit before tax and exceptionals +71.4% to £10.4m,
  • Adjusted earnings per share +60% to 12.93p,
  • Dividend per share +8.7% to 2p.

The group reports encouraging revenue growth across its portfolio, with the increase in margins driven by higher value-added categories and an improved citrus mix. ‘Healthier living’ categories (tea, health & wellness, and fruit & veg) grew 57.1%.

There is also ongoing investment in Treatt’s capacity and innovation capability to drive long-term growth, including the addition of a chief innovation officer.

Good trading momentum continues, with strong order book levels and growth opportunities ‘across a number of expanding addressable markets’.

Progress continues with the group’s £41m UK facility, with a further £8m of capex remaining.

Three years after completion, Treatt expects to be generating a 10 - 15% return on investment ('ROI') from this site and it will provide the platform ‘to support its ambitious growth ambitions’ alongside the recently expanded US facility.

The margin expansion could be the key here. Treatt is evolving into a higher margin provider of value-added products. This could transform profitability levels in the long run.

Conclusion

As ever, with Treatt, this looks like a special company that I wish I’d bought at half the price. But the fact of the matter is, if we’d paid the premium back then, shares would have more than doubled anyway.

The group has turned out a remarkable Covid performance given the challenging conditions, highlighting the defensive nature of, and demand for, its core products as well as the resilience of its business model.

The ‘material’ margin improvement could have further to run in future depending on the nature of new product development and the ‘Healthier living’ positioning aligns the group with some long term consumer trends.

Treatt is experiencing increased demand from existing customers across a wide product range and it continues to win new customers. People want what it makes.

The company says it is on course to generate at least £20m of PBT. Let’s say that’s £16m in profit after tax, which would give an FY21 PE ratio of just over 42x. Again, that looks expensive to me.

That said, could we be here again in a year’s time with the shares having doubled once more? It’s not going to happen from multiple expansion.

But the business is performing extremely well. It has transformed itself from a commodity-based ingredients business into a supplier of value-added ingredients and this evolution is prompting margin growth. This trend could continue.

And coupling that possibility of higher margins with Treatt’s ongoing investments and growth opportunities, I would back it to meaningfully grow earnings per share in future years. Valuation risk is the immediate concern.

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Avatar for Harry Hindsight

IC article notes Treatt (LON:TET) could be a potential takeover from US customer and competitors $IFF and $GIVN.

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I have been a Treatt (LON:TET) fan for a long time, and bought shares at under £4 and may understanding is that many people have been put off of investing in TET or taking them seriously, as the facilities in Bury St Edmunds are deemed to be a shed and TET then thought of as a small company. 

However, the covid performance has been exceptional and price keeps on rising, which in my view, can only continue, when the new HQ is fully operational. It will then impress potential visitors and partners, and lead to greater growth.

The company is well managed, has delivered on planned expansion, is growing markets and provides quality products.

I expect out to double in value in the next 5 years, and it is expensive in some regards, yet I  continue to hold, and have no intentions of selling 

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Thanks for the invite Paul to the Zane meeting on Zoom.   Really interesting to meet the main people driving such a wonderful charity and to learn how efficient they are at limiting costs ensuring a very high proportion of funds raised is sent directly to Zane projects .

I will certainly be a long term supporter and hope to visit Zimbabwe  later this year to see for myself the work the charity is doing .

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Same here!  Sat on the shares which had been treading water for a long time until the Covid crunch, sold out having convinced myself the upside was limited, then watched as TET "recovered" to it's current level.  Exactly the same with XP Power - I managed to ditch the two shares that have subsequently done better than everything I kept!  Only buying Saga at 2.18 has cheered me up since this masterstroke of decision-making.  

B2V

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A positive set of results from £EGHT (link) which may be an indicator as to the US performance of Pci- Pal (LON:PCIP) (I hold) as they are key reseller/partner.

Digging into £EGHT also shows a number of technology acquisitions.

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On a quiet day (apart from will writing!) looking back on the week has anyone else been following Amino Technologies (LON:AMO) ?

On Monday it announced that it was bidding for the business and assets of a US company in Chapter 11 and that it was going to do a placing. On Tuesday the auction began and concluded on Wednesday with rival TiVo being the highest bidder leaving Amino in reserve place. The placing was concluded at 140p yesterday with major holders Kestrel and Premier Miton taking up large chunks.

As a result the sp is down around 12.5% on the week. Progressive and finnCap have put out reports maintaining forecasts but with eps down to take the dilution of the placing into account.

We have often talked about small company spreads here. Earlier with the quote 141/143 I got quotes for 20,000 shares and got 140.98 to BUY and 141.3 to SELL!

While looking at finnCap I discovered a new feature to help PIs (full marks to them and Andrew Darley in particular) - they are producing 'virtual demos' for their tech stocks. I think Paul once prefaced an AMO report with "I don't understand what it does" and in the last one Jack said "I’ll need a little more time to really dig into this company and understand just how it adds value and makes money" so this is a good move. The Amino Technologies (LON:AMO) one is here concentrating on its 24i subsidiary in the Netherlands led by Martijn van Horssen who talks rather rapidly. So for your weekend viewing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlIp32...

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Angle (LON:AGL)

Andrew Newland interviewed by Zak Mir on Vox Markets this morning commenting on failed Ovarian trial. You need to register but its free.

https://www.voxmarkets.co.uk/articles/new-article-2b2aba2/

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Here are my SCVR heat maps for today (prices as at ~10am).

I share these heatmaps with the intention of giving a visual indication of what is going on in the SCVR world: who’s reporting (and it's impact on the share price); and what’s moving more than 'normal'. There are no associated recommendations, implied or otherwise, just information. How, or indeed if, you choose to use that information is up to you. Please feel free to ignore them if you don't find them useful.

Please read my heat map thread for a great deal of explanation of how the heat maps are formed and how I use them to guide me with my research, and for a full key to the contents.

I very much welcome feedback so if you do have any feedback, not already covered in the heat map thread, it would be very helpful if you could post your comment in the heat map thread rather than the SCVR thread. The more specific and constructive the feed back is, the more that likely it is that I will be able to act upon it. Thank you all for the feedback so far.

Small / Micro Caps reporting today:

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Big movers today in the SCVR world (moving more than a 20d EMA of the ATR against either yesterdays close, or today's open):

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Warm regards, stay safe, and best of luck!

greensiax

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Regarding Frp Advisory (LON:FRP) I have just sent this via the green button:

In today's SCVR with regard to LON:FRP Paul comments "The StockRank doesn't look right to me". A glance at the stock report figures suggests a classic case of rubbish in rubbish out. Looking at the operating profit line the company reported £3.076m for the year to 4/20 which agrees with your figure. For the 6 months to 10/20 they reported £7.26m compared to £155k so I make the TTM £10.181m but you show negative £4.85m. Could you please check your figures.

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Hi Paul

Forget the solicitor--Come and join us on the Isle of Man.!!

No capital gains tax, No inheritance tax in a very safe and well managed environment. Kids play out in safe environment--people do not lock doors.

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it's just the climate.   Wouldn't Gibraltar or the British Virgin Islands be better!!

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Treatt (LON:TET) Thanks for your coverage Jack. Treatt now moving out of small cap territory, but a fascinating story, which could have much further to go. I would commend anyone interested to watch the webcast posted on the company website.

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Treatt (LON:TET) - another classic example of a 'coffee can' (buy & hold) stock.  Has been a 10 bagger since I sold back in 2016! Part of a what turned out to be a very unnecessary de-risking ahead of the Brexit vote. Probably should have got back when it traded in  a narrow range below the £5.00 mark before it doubled post the Covid nadir in March 2020.  I struggle to understand why so many shares whose business model  and strategy have not changed materially have rocketed during the pandemic.  At some point will we see a reversion to the mean and a more normal trend reestablished?

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You have my sympathy ACounsell. I held Treatt (LON:TET) over a decade ago when I naively used automated stop losses. It was triggered and I sold out at a loss with a sales price of £3.30. In recent years I've watched Treatt with maybe a view to going back in, however like Jack highlights always thought it was expensive. I agree with your view, this could belong in the "coffee can".

I definitely missed an opportunity, as are many of the shares I was "stopped" out of. Reviewing my portfolio I can see that over the last decade I was stopped out (at a net loss) of numerous shares including Apple, Amazon, Disney, Avon Rubber and Diploma which have all since gone onto multibag. Thankfully as a more experienced investor now I don't use stop losses and rather make a conscious decision when to sell. My portfolio results have improved very notably since then.

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Hi Wildshot,

Thankfully as a more experienced investor now I don't use stop losses and rather make a conscious decision when to sell. My portfolio results have improved very notably since then.

Couldn't agree more!  My brief experience with automatic stop losses led to significant lost opportunities - Ab Dynamics (LON:ABDP) and Computacenter (LON:CCC) come to mind as sold out only to see them increase three fold.  My core portfolio is essentially a 'buy and hold' strategy where I won't sell anything unless it  is to top slice some good gains or there is a very strong case to exit the stock.  For my fun/speculative portion of the portfolio I have decided to try a different selling strategy ' 4 strikes and review'. The review is to try and see if there  are any factors that might justify holding on (e.g temporary negative impact of covid - Medica (LON:MGP) and C&c (LON:CCR),  possibility of future acquisition, etc.).  The '4 strikes' a stock has to hit include:

  1. Stock Rank <80.
  2. Trailing Stop Loss -15% for Conservative/Balanced Risk style stocks through to -30% for Highly Speculative Risk style stocks.
  3. Stock Price falls below 200 day moving average.
  4. >-10% relative fall vs. relevant index from date of purchase

So things have to be going pretty badly before a stock merits consideration of sale.  Team17 (LON:TM17), the computer games company on a very high PE, is the first to suffer a sale using this strategy (surely people must go back to work soon!).  Of course it has already gone up since it was sold so maybe this system will be just as bad as an automatic stop loss - time will tell!

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It may be true that the business model has not really changed in what is a pretty competitive space but the size and scope of the business has increased dramatically. This is as a result of the company's active and very substantial investment in facilities in the UK and USA targetting the healthier lifestyle of younger consumers wanting natural ingredineets and flavourings. And there has been an unexpected bonus from the soaring popularity of seltzer beverages. These are a fruit flavoured alcoholic sparkling water drinks which are low carb and low cal (FT Magazine March 6/7) which have become a significant category in the US and are now m(apparently) penetrating other markets including the UK. It is delightful for me to watch an ambitious and well-managed UK company providing a healthy product range or flavourings for younger, more discerning consumers. And reaping the rewards for customers, staff and shareholders.

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Paul - as someone trying to make my Portfolios slightly less diversified I'm always amazed how often "I hold" appears on your company write-ups.

Would you care to say how many different companies you hold shares in?

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Hi Laughton

I guess it depends whether you are a part-timer like me who has done exactly that, I manage 3 family member investment portfolios with different aims, so have used the last year to simplify and there is some overlap, but then I also work, am a parent and all the other stuff in life.  So not quite an Edmund "Idle" or Ed "NAPS" but heading that way. 

I know with Paul in the past he often buys a small stake to get himself to research stuff, hence he has "main holdings" and "ideas" but has skin in the game for the ideas, whereas a lot of us have a dump folio here with ideas.  Also he is full time...

Sorry a random

Tommy

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Following discussion yesterday on Morses Club (LON:MCL) , there was an RNS announcement today that their COO has bought 250,000 at 61p ie £150K from his own money. That's a big endorsement and I have bought (even) more.

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CFO of Morses Club (LON:MCL) bought at 62p+ (from memory) going back a few months as well - I don't hold 

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Morning Paul

I am sure it is not my place to give you advice but rather the other way round! I an 76 and have quite a few AIM'S stocks partly for IHT. The only problem for a relatively young fit man is that a future government could scrap the relieve, which could affect the value of some AIM shares. I have grandchildren and funding their JISA's  which stops me going on world cruises!

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I am the same age and also have quite a few AIM’s stocks to help reduce my IHT bill. Also been gifting within the 7 years permitted .  It is very difficult though to avoid paying IHT and hence everything I spend nowadays I automatically discount by 40% being the sum I would have to pay to the Government when I pop off. :) 

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Now is also a window of opportunity for using equity release for IHT purposes as interest rates can be as low as 3%.  Withdraw the money and make PETs and hope to live 7 years. Any interest paid attracts the notional 40% discount. 

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I would go on a world cruise!  Most of us spend a good proportion of our income on our own children and I have always said to clients that other than normal gifts, the grandchildren should  be your children's responsibility.   That's my view anyway, but I am totally in favour of you doing it your way!

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I would also add about the annual gift allowance, not a huge amount but £3000 to one individual and £250 to others.

https://www.gov.uk/inheritance...

So agree with Goronwy, mum has been been doing JISA for a few years now, but starting to research pensions too, as nephews have both become responsible adults now!

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Jack, nice surprise to finish the week with Treatt (LON:TET) (I hold) after stunning results this week, thanks! My guess is that it bounced yesterday after the analyst call had been digested - and credit to the company for (for the first time, I believe) sharing a recording of the presentation and analyst Q&A with all investors via PI World.

Watching it is highly recommended for people who - like you, Jack - are chewing over the key question of whether the combination of massive margin expansion and double digit organic revenue growth is likely to be sustained. For me, especially the answers to the questions from Numis at the end made it very clear that (1) management are very conservative with their "at least £20m" and (2) strong hard seltzer growth - with Treatt products "designed in" with a crucial impact on taste - actually affects several of their product categories (the ones with both the highest margin and the highest growth), with US capacity expansion planned in 2-3 years to meet increasing demand. So, for me, the signals from this proven & conservative management team are that the answer is "yes".

https://www.piworld.co.uk/2021...

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Morning all,

Thanks for coverage on Frp Advisory (LON:FRP) Paul, excellent update but the share price has hardly moved! 

Regards.

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Hi John,

Re Frp Advisory (LON:FRP) - to be fair, the share price has risen about 25% in the last couple of months, so it looks like the market correctly anticipated strong performance.

We've become accustomed to share prices rising almost every day, over the past 6 months, and personally I think those days of indiscriminate & continuous rises are probably over. We need a period of consolidation for decent shares, and correction for over-valued stuff. I think it's very healthy what's happened in the last week - speculative froth coming off the market, long overdue!

Regards, Paul.

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"I'll have to seriously think about starting up an AIM IHT-qualifying portfolio, which seems to be the easiest way around IHT."

Comes with overhanging risk that the exemption is removed overnight by a future finance act.
Which would be a double hit as the many AIM IHT schemes set up for just this reason would be likely wound up and put selling pressure on the stocks held.

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Another thing to look at is a SIPP. They can now be a tax efficient way of passing on money to beneficiaries. Also subject to the whim of politicians of course.

https://www.youinvest.co.uk/pe...

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Agreed - it can be handed down for generations potentially.

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Perhaps the government should never have brought in AIM IHT relief but now it's there dare they withdraw it with resulting hit on the market?

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Thanks Jack, a great write-up on £TET. Here is the analyst presentation given on the day of results video & podcast. As you say a lot to like.

Separately just published, another piworld interview. This week we spoke to David Thornton, Editor of Growth Company Investor and ex Fund Manager. David has interviewed 129 companies so far in 2021. He is bullish about how companies are performing expecting many to upgrade as the year goes on. For investors, he suggests a value and recovery theme rather than growth stocks. He shares his insight on six companies that have stood out for him: Mission (LON:TMG) Tracsis (LON:TRCS) Quixant (LON:QXT) Belvoir (LON:BLV) Medica (LON:MGP) Somero Enterprises Inc (LON:SOM) (interestingly four have been interviewed or presented results on piworld). Video & podcast.

Don't forget to sign up to next week's Stockopedia/piworld Stockslam next Wednesday 19th May 6pm. Ten Slammers will pitch their favourite stock pick in 3 minutes, including Ed Crofts and Damian Cannon. Register here.

Plus Cerillion (LON:CER) interim results presentation, 27th May 4pm. CER have just upgraded, so things are going very well there. Register here.

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Hi Paul

It’s a slow news day so hopefully you don’t mind me commenting on writing a will as you mention it and also you mention your charity fund raising.

Good to hear that you’re making a will and getting professional advice. The solicitors seem to charge a lot of money for this sort of thing and even then try sneaky things like getting themselves written in as executors or charging bizarrely high fees for storing the will. On top of that you have to check it really carefully to see if there are any errors. (My mother’s turned out to contain three errors - fortunately the beneficiaries didn’t argue about it). Still it’s better than a DIY will if your affairs are in the slightest bit complicated. Also worth remembering that the job of the executors can be hugely time consuming and carries unlimited personal liability. So, who to choose as executor(s) needs careful thought and their agreement too.

These days the solicitor will probably seek to persuade you to do power of attorney at the same time. But you really don’t need a solicitor to do that; the forms are quite straightforward.

One approach that you may like to consider to reduce the inheritance tax concerns is leaving the major part of the estate above the nil rate band to charity as then it will only be the much smaller amount left above the nil rate band that is taxable. If that amount is not particularly large then the need for complicated trusts to minimise IHT goes away.

The amount of the estate inside the nil rate band £325k goes to your other beneficiaries free of IHT as you know. £325k may not sound like much, but when I came to look at it and put it together with my SIPP, which is also free of inheritance tax if you die before 75, the total was more than enough to see the other beneficiaries alright.

It’s a very personal decision, and different people have different situations of course, but when I stopped to really think about it, I felt that I would like my legacy to make a real difference to my charities, because to be frank, apart from 1 or 2 relatives/friends, the others really don’t need all that much by comparison.

Many charities rely on legacies as much as other fund raising to keep going.

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Many charities rely on legacies as much as other fund raising to keep going.


Indeed they do, but then so does the govt, whose revenue comes from taxes. And which paid for our health and education for most of us, and for the infrastructure that allowed many to create wealth, for our defense, and for the sort of research that gave us fast development of a covid vaccine ....

There are worse ways to raise revenue for things like that than from the the surplus left at the end of someone's life.

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I couldn't agree more. Gift the max allowance to your kids 7 years before you croak (also teach them to invest over that 7 years), make sure your better half is ok, and then let your estate (not you-you are dead) pay the taxes as a thank you for the 80-odd years of peace, stability, educational opportunities, social safety net, and rule of law that allowed you to accumulate the wealth in the first place.

Society isn't free.

NB: Yes, yes, yes, I know you 'worked hard', everyone 'works hard', the coltan miners in the Congo 'work hard' but they don't have a functioning civic society to translate that into wealth.

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I agree, though to be fair, spending it arguably accomplishes the same thing and potentially saves the government the job of redistributing it to compensate for unemployment.

The real issue is squirreling it away from the real economy in order to maintain intergenerational dynasties.


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For my part investing is a fun thing  as I don’t need any income from it to survive fortunately and I do agree that complicated IHT avoidance when a couple can protect a £m from the taxman is not worth the effort. I am thankful that the state has provided the environment for me to enjoy a relatively care free life and I don’t mind paying IHT as my wife and children are well provided for.  My grandchildren have benefited from regular gifts and most of it will avoid the 7 year penalty. Finally  , charities will also benefit when I pop my clogs from the >£m surplus.

All this sounds a bit smug but I do like to keep it simple.

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Hi Peter

I agree with your sentiment.  However, I'd be a lot happier if the tax was raised above the board, in excess of a threshold.

Why should people like the Duke of Westminster avoid the tax because all his wealth is held in trust?

And let's handle Business Property Relief in a more nuanced way - I'm not sure why the owner of the small family farm / firm is treated the same as the owner of JCB or the investor in ASOS, for example.......

Andy

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I can see your point regarding people such as ourselves holding shares in ASOS but not the difference between the owner of a small firm and the owner of JCB.  In both cases we want the company to continue and prosper not be hampered by IHT charges on the owners.  But then I am really 100% opposed to IHT in any case.  Whatever I have, I have earned myself and paid considerable taxes and whether I want to spend it all on world cruises or pass it on tax free should be my decision.

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Whatever I have, I have earned myself and paid considerable taxes and whether I want to spend it all on world cruises or pass it on tax free should be my decision.

I wouldn't advocate the abolition of IHT then. It's currently discretionary for most people but if the government loses tax take in one area they'll make it up elsewhere. where it may be harder to avoid.

The main problem with IHT is that it's discretionary - no one who is truly wealthy actually pays it. It's mainly the unexpectedly wealthy, usually through property price increases, who are the people who get caught. This was set out very well in the OTF's review of the tax:

https://www.gov.uk/government/...

The second report made various suggestions, including a side swipe at the use of BPR on AIM shares:

However, in particular in relation to third party investors in AIM traded shares, BPR is not necessary to prevent the business from being broken up or sold in order to fund the payment of Inheritance Tax. This raises a question about whether it is within the policy intent of BPR to extend the relief to such shares, in particular where they are no longer held by the family or individuals originally owning the business.

https://www.gov.uk/government/...

Morally, of course, the argument for IHT is made by people like the Duke of Westminster, whose wealth is built on gifts to his ancestors by William the Conqueror and Charles II. 1% of the population own 50% of the land in the UK, without an effective IHT solution that ends up perpetuating inequality and serious inefficiency, as well as distorting political decision making in favour of the landed classes.

timarr

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A land tax is a better solution than IHT for the likes of the Duke of Westminster.
As advocated by the likes of the Adam Smith institute it has many advantages as a tax.

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A land tax is a better solution than IHT for the likes of the Duke of Westminster. As advocated by the likes of the Adam Smith institute it has many advantages as a tax.

Agreed.

timarr

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Plenty of estates are asset-rich but cash-poor. Forcing the sale of land to pay tax doesn't sit right.

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Given that downsizing and other asset sales are not considered an issue when it is the result of redundancy and marital breakup for example, I've always struggled to understand why others feel it should be ruled out for those who can't afford to live on the size of the property they inhabit due to a change of economic circumstance given the acceptance of this for many others in society.

Perhaps you could explain please?

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"The main problem with IHT is that it's discretionary"

Much more research needed on my part then ;-)

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Much more research needed on my part then ;-)

Possibly ... as the OTF showed the highest IHT rates are paid on estates between £2 and £8 million. Above that people can afford really good tax planning ...

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Of course, investors sheltering using ISAs and SIPPs can mostly avoid this, at least for equities and bonds.

timarr

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Of course, investors sheltering using ISAs and SIPPs can mostly avoid this

SIPPs and SSASs, yes, but ISAs only between husbands and wives. Or have I got that wrong?

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Hi Laughton you are correct re ISA's

https://www.gov.uk/individual-...

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Which, in effect, is no different to normal inheritance rules between spouses, for ISAs

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Which, in effect, is no different to normal inheritance rules between spouses, for ISAs.

Yes, indeed. Think I was having a Friday induced brain fade.

SIPP benefits can be inherited outside of IHT, ISAs can't. On the other hand income from ISAs is tax free, that from SIPPs isn't so if you have both then prioritising income from ISAs in retirement is probably sensible if you're concerned about minimising IHT.

Don't forget that the SIPP lifetime limit is £1.0731 million (at least until 2026) above which you start getting hit with tax at a marginal 25% plus income tax (for income) or 55% (for capital withdrawals).  There's an inescapable crystallisation event at 75 (again 55% for a lump sum or 25% if you elect to take an income) but after that the fund can grow (or shrink) without further interest from the taxman.

Personally I think it's just easier to spend the lot.

timarr

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Whilst many of us are DIY investors, the rules for creating an AIM invested portfolio which is not subject to inheritance tax is very complicated. I would personally recommend getting independent financial advise surrounding this- give them that headache. I say this as a solicitor who drafts wills regularly. 

The best advice is, as you have suggested, to spend your money or otherwise gift it, which by the way can seems counterintuitive for us investors who seek to build wealth. 

The super wealthy will use trusts to safeguard their money from inheritance tax, but these vehicles create other tax liabilities. For the majority us, paying the tax upfront is off-putting.


Whatever you do, get advice from a qualified, regulated and insured practitioner.

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First world problem. Nobody really likes paying tax but we pay pay it on gains. Nice to have a gain init!

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Hi Russell

I disagree (!) - setting up an AIM invested portfolio isn't at all complicated.  True, HMRC don't publish a list of qualifying shares, but a mix of reading the rules, common sense and, maybe, subscribing to an advice service should see you OK.  Then you just need decent record keeping to be able to demonstrate which shares you've held for 2+ years (selling & replacing shares is allowed) - and which have been bought within the 2 year period with new money / reinvested dividends.  We've just had our IHT calculation agreed by HMRC in respect of my mother's AIM holdings. 

But, as dmjram points out, there is always the risk of the Business Property Relief being removed at some point in the future.

By contrast, my parents IFA managed to set up accounts which, contrary to plan, fell within mum's estate and ignored a letter from the insurer telling him he should amend a trust he had set up for them.  Maybe they were unfortunate, but I prefer me being in control....... 

Andy

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Yes I would agree with garbetklb that for many of those contributing to this board, it would be easy (assuming the necessary homework was done) to  set up and run an AIM-invested portfolio if they, or an elderly relation, wants to reduce or eliminate a potential IHT bill.  However, many of us would come into the "experienced enthusiast" or semi-professional category of investors and I'm not sure a beginner would find it so easy. For me and my relation, the relatively high fees charged by IHT portfolio providers made it an easy decision to adopt the DIY route for IHT portfolios and this decision has proven to be the right one, notwithstanding the considerable expenditure of time.

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The problem is, you can't be sure whether your plan has worked (to reduce your estate's IHT liability) until you've passed away and HMRC has something to say or not.  

If you had delegated that risk to a financial advisor, they would be responsible (and therefore potentially liable) and not all lost, should the plan fail.

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Hi Paul, will the ZANE call be recorded? I cannot make 2pm today, but I would be interested in watching it. 

Thanks,

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Hi richwilko,

Hi Paul, will the ZANE call be recorded?

I'm afraid not. ZANE operates in a very difficult country, with multiple challenges, including security. So it has to operate under the radar, hence no recording.

Regards, Paul.

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Paul, good luck in identifying which AIM stocks qualify for BPR for IHT purposes! It's a maze. I had a go at HL this week for not having some flagging system.

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In HL's defense I don't see how they could possibly have a flagging system for qualifying AIM shares because HMRC won't commit to anything in advance.

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why not gift it to son/daughter then manage in their name, post 7 years, zero IHT

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why not gift it to son/daughter then manage in their name, post 7 years, zero IHT

Good idea. I don't have children, but was thinking of doing something along those lines for nieces/nephews.

P.

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Great idea, but if they are married and the marriage fails, what then happens...?  I say this as a cautious lawyer rather than an optimistic investor.

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Please Paul, share any useful info you find regarding the AIM IHT qualifying portfolio you envisage.

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Please Paul, share any useful info you find regarding the AIM IHT qualifying portfolio you envisage.

It's a specialised area, so I think it would be best to consult experts on this.  I loosely worked with Chris and Stephen at Fundamental Asset Management for several years, and can highly recommend them as experts in AIM IHT, shrewd stock pickers, and thoroughly decent people too.

Regards, Paul.

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Hi Paul.

I agree that Fundamental Asset Management is a good source of information on AIM shares that might qualify for BPR.  From the number of responses to your initial comment about setting up an AIM portfolio it's clear that there is a good deal of interest amongst subscribers.  For my own part I run two portfolios viz: an AIM portfolio for IHT purposes and an investment trust portfolio as a defensive vehicle.   I also 'nibble' at small caps often using ideas from SCVR.

If you do decide to go down the AIM route perhaps it would be a good idea to start a separate blog, which I think is what Silver Moon was hinting at.

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"Now I see why so many elderly people blow their savings on round the world cruises!"

De rigeur Paul.

They blow it on BTC...obviously!

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Interesting fashion note. I thought they (dungarees) went out with the Ark (and Dexys Midnight Runners) - LOL!

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Gus.

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Paul, You mention Will writing.....have you considered an Asset Protection Specialist / Estate Planning Practice ?

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Asset Protection trusts are plagued with problems and it’s a real lottery whether they will actually work! 

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Good morning all. CNIC partnership with Dot London Domains ltd. Steady news flow should be update soon. Q1 results June 1st.

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My morning smallcap tweet:

Velocity Composites (LON:VEL) Frp Advisory (LON:FRP) Avation (LON:AVAP) Gulf Marine Services (LON:GMS) MaxCyte Inc (LON:MXCT), Works co uk (LON:WRKS)

Velocity Composites (VEL) wins 3 year contract from a major Tier 1 aerostructures manufacturer worth £4.1m PA. [SP=19 Cap=7m]
FRP Advisory (FRP) guides FY(Apr) rev up 25% and U/L adj EBITDA up 22%, above previous guidance. [SP=126.95 Cap=309m]
Avation (AVAP) has sold at current market rates an ATR 72-600 to another regional aircraft lessor. [SP=108.1 Cap=76m]
Gulf Marine Services (GMS) FY(Dec) contains material uncertainty going concern stmt. Current YTD EBITDA in line. [SP=7.73 Cap=27m]
MaxCyte (MXCT) proposed dual-listing on Nasdaq [SP=883 Cap=847m]

In line: Works co uk (LON:WRKS)

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Also: Toople (LON:TOOP)
Toople's last LTIP worked so well (99% SP fall) board gets new LTIP for up to 8.7% of co.
Search Google for Toople LTIP and you get "Did you mean: toodle pip?"

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Given Toople (LON:TOOP) has a market cap of £2.8 million and a 10 member board that’s about £24,000 worth of shares each if they’re all in the pool so it’s not the biggest LTIP ever granted. (They still seem overpaid mind you).

Gus.

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