Small Cap Value Report (Fri 3 April 2020) - JOUL, SHOE
Good morning, it's Paul here, with Friday's SCVR.
Here is the usual 7am placeholder, for reader comments as I write the main report throughout the morningday. Edit at 14:01 - please accept my apologies, I'm running late today. Estimated time of completion is 5pm. Edit at 16:41 - apologies again, today is a bit of a struggle. I'm back at the keyboard, and will continue until 7pm, to add a few more sections. Sorry for the inconvenience to you, I know it's irritating when reports are late. Today's report is now finished.
I'll focus today on fundraisings, because we're going to see a lot of them. Indeed, in sectors that have been shut down, e.g. retailers, hospitality, and travel, then equity fundraisings along with extended bank facilities, are going to be the only way many of these companies can survive. I think it makes sense for companies to raise funds now, whilst investors have some willingness to support companies. That may not be the case in 3 months' time.
Joules (LON:JOUL)
Share price: 80p (down 6% today, at 14:09)
No. shares: 89.4m +18.75m new shares = 108.2m
Market cap: £86.6m
(I no longer hold a long position in this share)
Joules is a distinctive fashion brand, which sells roughly 50:50 from physical stores, and online.
Last night the company announced that it intended to raise £15m in an institutional placing undertaken by Peel Hunt & Liberum.
This placing is going hand in hand with an extension of the bank facilities -
Agreement in principle from Barclays Bank plc to provide an additional £15m headroom on the Company's existing revolving credit facility ("RCF") for 12 months, conditional on the Company raising a minimum of £15m via the Placing, and subject to documentation.
That makes sense. If the bank is extending its exposure to the company, then it's perfectly reasonable for it to require shareholders to stump up fresh cash too. I think we'll see a lot of similar agreements in the coming weeks & months. After all, one of the key benefits of having a stock market listing, is to access the market for fresh funding. For this reason, banks tend to be more supportive of listed companies, than private companies.
Directors are putting in £1.2m, which is a decent level of support.
Covid-19 has obviously impacted the business to a huge extent -
... like many other UK retailers, the impact of COVID-19 has had a material impact on the business, including the Company having to close its entire store portfolio, in accordance with the UK Government's guidance. The Group's e-commerce channel has also been impacted, as consumers have shown increasing caution with their disposable income, although since the store closures online trading has been ahead of the Group's revised expectations. The Board expects COVID-19 to continue to have a material impact on the retail industry and its business over the coming months.
It's interesting to note that online trading has improved since the stores shut, which is what I would have expected for a very distinctive brand like Joules, with high customer loyalty.
Actions taken to mitigate the problems are as expected -
The Company has taken several mitigating actions already in order to conserve cash given the expected significant reduction in sales. These actions involve the cooperation of many of the Company's key stakeholders including stock suppliers, non-stock suppliers, landlords and employees and the Company continues to progress these discussions. All Board members have taken temporary salary reductions along with certain senior management, with some being compensated via the grant of share options.
The Company has also participated in several of the UK Government's support initiatives announced to date, including rates relief for its store portfolio, the Job Retention Scheme for furloughed workers, and the deferral of some payments due to HMRC.
These actions will result in permanent cash savings for the business of c.£53m, as well as the deferral of c.£21m of payments due over the next six months.
The last paragraph has me scratching my head. The "permanent cash savings" figure of £53m sounds enormous, so I think that must include mainly cancellation of purchases of inventories from suppliers. There would be a corresponding (and much larger) loss of revenues, so I feel the £53m figure seems misleading. I think the company should have provided a breakdown of that number, for clarity.
Guidance - the company has usefully provided us with some idea of what its forecasting assumes -
Assuming gross proceeds of £15m from the Placing, the Company believes it would have sufficient working capital on a COVID-19-related downside scenario and be able to emerge relatively stronger from this unprecedented situation. The Company's downside scenario assumes stores are closed for three months, and, whilst the Company is continuing to operate its e-commerce channel and UK distribution centre, in strict accordance with UK Government's guidelines, it has also reflected the impact of an eight week closure of the facility over April and May, resulting in almost nil sales across the Company over those two months. It then assumes a gradual recovery from the middle of June. If required, the Company has also identified a further c.£6.5m of additional cash levers which are not currently assumed to be required in its downside scenario but could be utilised if absolutely necessary.
It's impossible to say whether this scenario is going to be accurate or not. Nobody really knows at this stage. Maybe we're approaching the peak of infections, and it might start to decline. That could allow some resumption of economic activity. But what happens if covid-19 flares up again? My main worry is that we could see this come back in waves, and require longer shutdowns that would probably finish off retail/pubs/restuarants/travel companies for good.
Result of placing - another RNS out at 7am today. The deal has been done (they're usually already done when the ABB is announced).
A good price was achieved, of 80p per share. This indicates strong support from shareholders. It represents just under a 21% expansion in the issued share capital - which I suggest is a small price to pay to keep the company going. This has been handled well, by getting a rapid fundraising done whilst the share price was still reasonably strong. The longer companies leave a fundraising, then usually the weaker the result and hence greater the dilution. Leave it too long, and it can be impossible to get a fundraising away. Therefore, I feel time is of the essence, and by moving fast, Joules has secured its future.
Note that Tom Joule, the founder, still holds 27.3%
My opinion - coincidentally, I sold my JOUL shares earlier this week, as it dawned on me that a fundraising would be likely. I'm currently pondering whether to buy back, now that the company's finances have been strengthened considerably.
The problem is that, we know a lot of the new money will rapidly disappear in trading losses in the coming months. Therefore the finances haven't really been bolstered, it's more a case of disaster having been averted.
I like that JOUL sells half online, but it is mooting the possibility of closing down its online operations too (as Next did recently). Therefore a strong online presence may not necessarily be a redeeming factor right now.
If business returns to normal, then Joules will look cheap around 80p per share. At this stage though, there are still a lot of unknowns, and 2020 will without doubt generate a huge trading loss. Therefore I'm not convinced that this is yet the time to be assuming recovery back to former levels of profitability. I might sit on the sidelines here for a while, and see how things go.
Carnival (LON:CCL)
I won't go into the detail, but note there is a big fundraising of bonds and equity going on there.
I wouldn't be bottom-fishing here for the equity. Investors need to remember the crucial fact that debt ranks ahead of equity. Therefore, when any company becomes financially distressed, then control effectively passes to the debt holders. In that situation, equity holders are often wiped out. If existing equity holders want to keep control, then they have to come up with fresh cash, and persuade debt holders to continue support - which is what's happened at Joules.
We've got to look at all our shareholdings in that light.
As the situation develops, I was initially bottom-fishing, buying shares that looked oversold. Over the past fortnight or so, I've become much more bearish. It seems to me that the market really hasn't fully appreciated just how bad this recession is going to be. There are some staggering GDP forecasts around, which are looking at a plunge in economic activity in the USA similar to the Great Depression of the 1930s. I'm not at all convinced that we'll get a V-shaped recovery either, as too much damage is likely to be done - e.g. many smaller businesses closing for good, and many millions made unemployed. History shows that recoveries from that kind of really extreme economic depression take several years.
For this reason, I'm holding back from buying shares that look temptingly cheap against the historic figures. The reason for my caution, is that I think the losses from a cessation of trading in 2020 could be ruinously high. I need to crunch some numbers on this over the weekend actually. Also, I think waiting on the sidelines with some spare cash (which is my current position) makes sense, as I can then buy into situations where a company has successfully refinanced (e.g. JOUL). That makes much more sense, than buying speculatively into a company which will almost certainly have to refinance, but hasn't yet done so. That entails considerably more risk, because what happens if they can't refinance on acceptable terms? That could result in an emergency placing at a few pence, wiping out existing holders. Or it could result in a collapse, as happened a couple of years ago with Conviviality, where existing shareholders effectively gave away the business, rather than pour fresh cash into it.
I can't stress enough how unusual the current circumstances are. We definitely need to mentally decouple from how we used to value shares, in my view.
Shoe Zone (LON:SHOE)
Share price: 60p (down 19% today)
No. shares: 50.0m
Market cap: £30.0m
Covid-19 update & dividend cancellation
This announcement was issued after the market closed last night, so I've only just spotted it. Hence the 19% drop in share price today, so it's not going to be good news. This company sells cheap Chinese-made shoes from relatively short leases on High Street, and retail park sites, plus some online sales too. Clearly it's going to be in trouble, as all other non-food retailers are.
Final dividend - of 8p (costing £4.0m) is proposed to be cancelled. No surprises there, many companies are stopping divis in order to preserve cash. SHOE says it needs a special resolution (75%+ vote) in order to cancel the divi, at a general meeting, which I'm a bit surprised at. I would have thought than in current circumstances, Directors would have the discretion to cancel a divi, but apparently not. Anyone up-to-date on company law care to comment?
Current trading - it seems blindingly obvious that revenues will currently be close to zero, due to all shops being shut, so I don't understand why anyone would sell their shares on this news -
... it is now clear that the COVID-19 pandemic will have a material impact on the Company's performance in the current financial year ("FY19/20"), following the decision to close all of its stores on 24 March 2020, notwithstanding the improvement in revenues from the Company's online operations.
I seem to recall that online revenues for SHOE are not particularly significant. Certainly way short of the c.50% level that I generally look for with retailers.
Outlook - this bit below is a bit of a cop-out. I'm really looking for companies to give some guidance to the market, maybe on a range of 3 possible scenarios (base case, worst case, and optimistic case). We know that companies are doing that modelling internally, and they really should share this information (if not too commercially sensitive) with the owners of the company. My fear is that companies worst-case modelling would, in many cases, involve them going bust.
However, the Board expects a material reduction to its prior expectations for FY19/20. The scale of this reduction will depend upon how the situation develops, over what timeframe, and the impact of further public health, economic and business support measures being implemented by the UK and Irish governments. Previous guidance should therefore not be relied upon as an indicator of FY19/20 performance.
That's all bleedin' obvious! SHOE should be giving us more information, as should all companies. Just saying it's too early & uncertain, isn't good enough.
Funding update - clearly the most important point for all companies. Current year earnings are likely to be loss-making I would guess, so all that matters is whether companies can conserve enough cash to survive, and recover once the pandemic recedes.
As at 1 April 2020, the Group had net cash balances of approximately £4.7 million, and undrawn banking facilities of £3.0 million from which the 2019 Final Dividend of approximately £4.0 million would need to be paid.
Clearly then, there's no question of paying the dividend. The company has £7.7m in cash & facilities, which doesn't look that great to me, given that revenues will be running at near-zero, but rents are still payable, plus many other ongoing costs like utilities, insurance, etc.
Cost-cutting & cash preservation - it's good to see some detail on this, which all sounds sensible -
The Board is taking steps to conserve cash, maintain a satisfactory liquidity position and protect its employees. In particular, the Group has taken the following actions to date:
§ Placed the majority of the workforce, other than the digital teams and key workers, on Government funded furlough;
§ Ceased all capital expenditure;
§ ngaged with HM Revenue & Customs ("HMRC") with a view to deferring UK tax and VAT liabilities that arise during this difficult trading period;
§ Reclaimed £1.0 million of Corporation Tax payments on account from HMRC;
§ Sought the maximum Rate Relief Grant available from the UK Government of £0.5 million (€0.6 million), having already utilised €0.2 million previously on retail rates relief;
§ Minimised all other costs and expenditure to the lowest level possible.
Remember that SHOE is effectively a private company with a listing, so it's entrepreneurial & flexible, which I think counts to its advantage. Its leases are quite short too, giving more flexibility.
Bank funding - OK, I've found the bit of the RNS that has spooked investors -
The Group has a strong relationship with its lending bank and is in advanced discussions with it with respect to the provision of a new 4 year £10.0 million term loan (the "Term Loan"), to provide it with additional liquidity through the current disruption caused by COVID-19.
However, should the Term Loan not be provided, or the proposed quantum of the Term Loan be materially reduced, the Group would need to seek to take further cost saving measures and/or raise additional capital by early May 2020, assuming that the 2019 Final Dividend is cancelled and not paid to Shareholders.
OK, that is quite scary. They're basically saying that they're going to run out of funding in the next month, if the bank doesn't assist with the new, larger facility. Clearly that puts a lot of pressure on the share price.
My opinion - it could all be fine, because this is a quality business, which generates prodigious free cashflow normally, funding generous divis in the past. Therefore, once business normalises, it should be able to generate plenty of cash to pay down a £10m loan over 4 years. The cash requirement is not excessive. Shareholders may need to accept that divis would be withheld for a while.
It all depends what the bank's attitude to risk is? This to me seems a great example of an excellent business, that needs some temporary support, on a relatively modest scale compared with its previous cash generation.
But, banks hate risk. I always remember (when negotiating a new facility from HSBC years ago), that the bank manager said to me (I've mentioned this before, sorry for the repetition) - "If you guys go bust, that wipes out my profits from 50 other similar-sized clients". Hence why banks generally are comfortable lending to people/businesses that don't need to borrow anything!
In this situation, there might need to be a solution similar to Joules - e.g. if the bank ask SHOE to raise some fresh equity of say £5m now, with a commitment to raise a further £5m in a year's time. Then the bank could match that with the £10m term loan needed. Or, give the bank a sweetener, with some equity warrants, so that it makes a profit from its support in the hard times. It amazes me that UK banks are culturally so averse to taking equity kickers through warrants or options - they're missing out on a potential goldmine.
The other thing is that companies have alternative possible sources of liquidity - e.g. private equity might be interested in taking a stake?
All in all, I am tempted to take a position here, because I think SHOE is likely to get through this OK. But is the price sufficiently attractive to make risk:reward favourable? I don't think so. For me to get involved here, I'd want 3-4 times upside, to compensate me for the risk of (worst case) a 100% loss, or maybe a 50%+ loss on an emergency placing. The current price of 60p per share is too high to get risk:reward right for me personally.
I have to leave it there for today, and the week. It's certainly been a week that I'm sure we're all glad is over.
Enjoy the weekend as much as you can.
Best wishes, Paul.
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Hi Paul, every time I read your SCVR I find something new to consider. Really useful during these very strange times. Thanks you. Have a good weekend. Jon
Well what a load of shite todays comments have been.
We're collectively descending into something akin to ADVFN boards or LSE.
Keep up the good work Paul and Graham, we are all just going mad here with the effects of the virus.
LOL! I think it's understandable that people get irritable and ill-tempered when under a lot of pressure from falling portfolios & being stuck at home all day.
Let's try to keep mutually supportive & kind, in this difficult time.
Best wishes to all, Paul.
Best wishes to you too Paul....your continued service under the stresses you are experiencing is absolutely praiseworthy
Reading the RNS it reads to me that Tom Joule has performed some interesting financial acrobatics and landed on his feet.
You know things must be bad when "In the next few weeks the EU’s European Food Safety Authority is expected by the insect industry to endorse mealworms, lesser mealworms, locusts, baby crickets and adult crickets as being safe for human consumption."
What about bats?
What about bats?
I believe they prefer smaller insects.
Sssh, you’ll upset the Chinese.
Yep - my friend that emigrated to Thailand will regularly go to the market for a kg of locusts. And wait till you see the size of the rats - body easily fills a dinner plate with tail handing over the edge. We're just a touch precious in the UK compared to RoW.
some good news today reference coronavirus loan schemes being revamped - apologies if this has alrteady been posted. Hopefully potential £25 mill facility may be a lifeline to some smallcaps.
Per latest announcement
"Larger firms with a turnover of up to £500m will also be eligible for more help - with state-backed loans of up to £25m available to firms with revenues of between £45m-500m."
As a reminder to others and myself - time to make sure you sort out your capital gains liabilities, if you have any, before the end of the tax year. I have made a few profitable sales over the tax year and now I have a few "loss" sales to make to cover them - seems I have lots of choices and it's proving harder than I thought!
Oh to have any!!
I won't have that issue this year.
It may a good time to move some shares over into an ISA. Just done that with some of my RDSB.
Not much left in my non ISA account now.
Tamzin Thanks for this interview. I found it very informative.
Great WS! Did John make you less bearish?!
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Hi the point is that the “freeloaders” are current and continued paying subscribers so I am not sure that expression is apt. Unlikely in this climate that people will want to up the level of subscription so it might be a good time for a trial - in any case I see little harm in politely asking for it to be considered. If Stockopedia say no that is perfectly reasonable.
Personally as someone who has fully paid for the service for years and thumbed up I don’t feel I have done anything wrong.
I guess we all work by different morals and principles. There's no way I would ask someone for free access to a service that costs money for a company to provide, especially during times such as these. If it is offered, that's completely different. And to put Stockopedia in a position where they have to say "No" to their customers is wrong - no company wants to be put in that position. If they're sensible they'll just ignore it. Anyway, I've made my point.
Si
A trial costs nothing or am I missing something?
Stockopedia have already put the money into those services? In fact I think some free trials have been and gone since I have been a member which I personally have never availed of. If it were offered now I may avail.
You have cast subscribers who fully pay as freeloaders who need to take a good look in the mirror. I’m just saying I don’t think we are trying to put Stockopedia out of business as a thumbs up is more to avail possibly in more of their services not less.
Anyway hopefully we can beg to differ.
A trial costs nothing or am I missing something?
Only someone that has never run a business could make this assumption. We have no idea on what basis the data is licensed to Stockopedia by the data provider, and the idea that a trial costs nothing could very well be wrong.
You have cast subscribers who fully pay as freeloaders who need to take a good look in the mirror.
No, I haven't because that would include myself! I just don't understand why people want someone to provide them with a data service that can be used to enrich themselves for free. Apart from anything else, I suspect the vast majority of subscribers could easily afford the additional services if they thought it had real value for them. If you don't currently subscribe to such services, then you have already decided they do not add value, and now you're asking for it for free. Honestly, that's taking the p###!
All the best, Si
Hi Si
Well I for one and a fully paid subscriber that because I put a thumbs up on something that has been offered before but had no time before to avail of am cast as someone whom is a freeloader.
By the way I do run a business and have done for 20 years. My point is that Stockopedia already have the data to offer the service already, they have previously rolled out trials for people to fully take advantage.
I don’t see your point but please respect my own as I have said I respect yours.
I don’t see your point but please respect my own as I have said I respect yours.
Well if you run a business, then maybe take a look at the Stockopedia company balance sheet up to December 2018 (end of 2019 not available yet). I would be more worried that Stockopedia will still be around by the time your current subscription expires rather than wanting a freebie. I can't believe you don't get my point. It's one thing to be offered a period of free access but something again to ask for it.
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All the best, Si
No the bit of your point I don’t get is situating that someone who thumbed up has little morals, is a freeloader and has clearly never run a business.
The fact is you are oblivious to the individual circumstances of users who thumbed up and therefore these assertions made on little foundation.
If the extended service was a huge cost burden to Stockopedia they would not have offered it up on previous trial basis’s. Now may be a great time to offer it up on the premise that some of those people may go on to pay more for the service.
By the way part of my own business is property lets and I automatically reduced my rents by 20% on the Covid19 so I don’t see myself as someone who runs a business on low morals and dislike the insinuation that you have made around morals on the issue. My wife is also frontline nhs on a very small salary so I will leave that there.
I respect your right to your view but you are very quick to deflect when you say someone like me clearly has not run a business and then the reverse is revealed.
Hi simoan et al
www.tinyurl.com is an excellent way of vastly reducing website links.
It is FOC and has been around for years.
Cheers
I'm sorry douglas but I disagree with you. tinyurl is useful if a link has to be copied manually but in this instance it is just as easy to click on https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws... as on a tinyurl one. Moreover simoan would have had to go to the bother of going to tinyurl and creating the link rather than just copying and pasting. I am always very wary of tinyurl links as, for all I know, they could be used to take me to a dubious site. They are extensively used on a certain other shares bulletin board for people to disguise their own websites just to increase the clicks on them.
So I do not see why simoan should have taken that route just to make it look neater. What he should have done was to put a word after it and Stocko would have automatically shortened it as you will see above where I entered his link in full.
Good old Si. We will will miss him when he goes.
He has obviously been inadvisedly practising those skills acquired in the 'Jeremy Clarkson - My guide to Diplomacy' course, again.
:-)
There is no such thing as a bullet proof balance sheet. It depends on the context, particularly future cash flows.
In normal times Shoe Zone (LON:SHOE) would be said to have a strong balance sheet (e.g. net cash and priced at 1.2 x tangible assets). Now it's in some tense negotiations with the bank. Whereas say GlaxoSmithKline (LON:GSK) has a ropey balance sheet (negative tangible assets and 256% leverage) but is far better placed.
Balance sheet strength may sort the winners from the losers within a given industry, but picking the right industry or sub-industry is probably more important. For my money, I would be happy to buy businesses that have some counter cyclical industry exposure e.g. IG Group (LON:IGG) or Begbies Traynor (LON:BEG) (I hold both).
For cyclical industries, I want to be on the sidelines, seeing how this plays out. But that doesn't mean I'm not interested in monitoring the newsflow. There is no rush to buy, but it will pay to keep monitoring the situation, waiting for a better time.
Broadly I agree with what you're saying. The balance sheet has to be viewed in conjunction with the P&L and cashflow, not in isolation. So as I often say in these reports, I'll tolerate a weak balance sheet if the company consistently generates copious free cashflow in good times & bad.
On the flip-side, we've seen how a company with an apparently strong balance sheet can quickly disintegrate if trading collapses. A good example of that was Bon Marche - it got the product wrong for a couple of seasons, and that rapidly dissolved its previously strong balance sheet. The cash disappeared quickly.
Just as important as balance sheet strength, is a company's ability to reduce its cost base rapidly. So maybe we should focus more on the nature of companies' costs, and how quickly they could be reduced?
Fair points - though I think the thrust was not that folks not willing to pay or want to pay less just an idea that might lead to some taking up the extended service.
I'm sure the marketing people at Stockopedia are well aware of the effectiveness of offers such as this. In reality I suspect the vast majority of "freeloaders" never subscribe. If it was an effective way to make more revenue I suspect they would be doing it themselves without having to be asked.
All the best, Si
Hi the point is that the “freeloaders” are current and continued paying subscribers so I am not sure that expression is apt. Unlikely in this climate that people will want to up the level of subscription so it might be a good time for a trial - in any case I see little harm in politely asking for it to be considered. If Stockopedia say no that is perfectly reasonable.
Personally as someone who has fully paid for the service for years and thumbed up I don’t feel I have done anything wrong.
A couple of issues from yesterday.
The lockdown cannot last for much more than two months or another 6 weeks...or most business will start to collapse.
This story about a garden centre refusing to close despite the Council demanding they do explains the position very well. If the centre collapses, the suppliers collapse, their creditors may collapse and so on...all in bankruptcy and home repossessions galore as the directors will all have put up personal guarantees.
"We have a million pounds worth of plants in the garden nursery and if we can't sell them they will be skipped. We owe a million to suppliers. All our money is tied up in stock, it's like if you sell ice cream you can't close for three months and then sell the same ice cream - it will have gone off. We have gone past the point of operating our business for any profit - we are simply desperate to avoid bankruptcy. Our company employs 70 staff and they need their jobs".
Secondly, Barclays Bank upset a lot of people yesterday (by being honest to be fair). Mortgage holidays will not affect your credit score said the Government. Maybe said Barclays but the non payment will still show on your credit record .....which is what is mainly used for loans etc. You could not afford to pay, you had no emergency buffer, you now have a higher debt. Personally, I don't think there will be as much sympathy in the hard world of finance post virus times as some seem to expect.
Hi Barnet Peter,
This garden centre example is an excellent example of the interconnected economy, and resultant job losses, that are happening everywhere. I don't want a debate about lives & economy, both have to be tackled at the same time, at the moment it is massively bias to one side. Where are these antibody tests?
Spain to date has lost 1m jobs, US 10m, UK who knows, but this is accelerating at above exponential I'd suggest.
Two updates today, National Express (LON:NEX) & Ryanair Holdings (LON:RYA), - let's say restrictions are lifted in a couple of weeks but social distancing is maintained. A lot of these companies are saying they can survive x amount of time. But the question has to be at what resumed income. If a bus or train has to maintain social distancing of 2 meters per person, will these type of companies survive given the enforced reduced revenue?
H & T (LON:HAT) - I hold and am surprised the government is not allowing pawnbrokers to open, given they service an economically vulnerable part of society it seems inane they cannot open. Agree with the model or not, between H&T and Ramsdems they have a big customer base who more than every need small loan services - rather than loan sharks. Until that restriction is lifted I'm not buying anymore, if it is, I think definitely a buy, a rising gold price is very good for these companies as seen last time a big spike in gold prices. It bought them a lot of customers & profit.
The choice you seem to be suggesting is between putting everyone at risk by cancelling lockdown or economic collapse if we don't. As far as I can see, the consequences of prematurely cancelling lockdown are likely to be an even worse economic collapse following a surge in new cases of C19.
As far as I can see, the consequences of prematurely cancelling lockdown are likely to be an even worse economic collapse following a surge in new cases of C19.
I don't think anyone would want to prematurely cancel the lockdown (hands up if i am wrong) if it does more good than bad. The thing is we all have different viewpoints as to when it will be safe for lockdwon to end and what could go wrong thereafter. I can certainly see a reasonable scenario where new cases are trending down to sub 300-500 per day in the country and we have full testing available with the ability for bods who choose to share their location data and be warned if they have come in bluetooth range with a recently infected person. Whether we have the antibody test is a different matter. Under a scenario like that i don't see why the full lockdown would need to continue - other than everything woudl be data relaint at that time. Perhaps a staggered approach to relaxing will give us the ability to monitor and see if changes are working . Surely our govermnet can't be stupid enough to mess up the relaxatiobn rules in the same manner they have messed up with regard to the lack of necessary testing that has not been done yet and putting in place some plans. From an economic point of view though the lockdown needs to end sometime and hopefully in 6 weeks time the picture will be a lot clearer if we are trending to a situation where some of the rules can be relaxed (and monitored) or if we are in for waaaay more pain to come.
“As far as I can see, the consequences of prematurely cancelling lockdown are likely to be an even worse economic collapse following a surge in new cases of C19”
Can you expand on why? Thx.
Can you expand on why?
Please note my use of the word 'premature', by which I mean, before the disease is under control. At the moment it is not It would be folly to relax controls before the medical and public health criteria to allow such a relaxation are met. I am not medically qualified so I cannot say what those criteria are but I cannot accept that they should be ignored as Barnet Peter seems to be suggesting.
Hi Peter
Comments hits the nail on the head.
The concept of perishable inventory is something educated myself on decades ago in my role of owning and running a small “hotel” type business I sold two years ago!! The beds that I did not sell for the week of 1st March ## could NEVER be resold. There are so many businesses like this. With real perishable inventory like the garden centre and virtual perishable inventory such hotels, air lines, event organisers,
The market IMO does not seemed to have grasped the knock on effect of the slow down. So a restaurant shuts 24th and lays of x workers who then take the government money but they a. Can’t and b. Wouldn’t even if they could go out and spend that money on stuff. It will go in food, rates, mortgage and other essentials.
Then there is the restaurant suppliers who were due for payment for supplies delivered at the end of February who probably wont get paid and are not supplying anymore and they lay off their staff and so on.
The BCC reported this week that 6 in 10 firms have only 3 months of cash left and I bet some are not telling the full truth.. So it is difficult to see how this lockdown can go on for more than 2 to 4 weeks from here if we don’t want a depression type economy when we come out the other side.
Don't quite see what Paul and Graham can do other than focus on the capacity to survive of the companies they look at - as they have said they are doing. That depends surely on a lot more than just the balance sheet. Just about anything else looks like pure guesswork to me. Congratulations to both of them on this rather unrewarding work.
Fegger, I own 3 on your list; Impax Asset Management (LON:IPX) Bioventix (LON:BVXP) 3i (LON:III) - you can also add Strix (LON:KETL) HICL Infrastructure (LON:HICL) Spectra Systems (LON:SPSY) Moneysupermarket.Com (LON:MONY) Supermarket Income REIT (LON:SUPR) and Renewables Infrastructure (LON:TRIG) all of which I currently own, There are also some excellent balance sheets among these, as per the request at the beginning of today’s comments.
Cheers
Simon
Other dividend payers - James Halstead (LON:JHD) (announced although reduced), Cmc Markets (LON:CMCX) (not declared but confirmed in today's trading update), Mattioli Woods (LON:MTW), Vpc Specialty Lending Investments (LON:VSL) (received today) and Tp Icap (LON:TCAP) (announced Mar10, seems unlikely they'd need to suspend).
timarr
CMC Markets (LON:CMCX) reaffirmed dividend policy of 50% of PAT today so would anticipate that IG Group (LON:IGG) will retain its generous dividend also
CMC Markets (LON:CMCX) reaffirmed dividend policy of 50% of PAT today so would anticipate that IG Group (LON:IGG) will retain its generous dividend also
I hope so, I hold both :)
I should really have bought Plus500 (LON:PLUS) as well but previous reporting issues put me off.
timarr
Lack of comments on the updates doesn't mean that they're not being found useful. Naturally, if people don't hold and aren't currently intending to buy or sell, the immediate level of interest is lower. I assume others do as I do in reading all the past comments when considering a buy or sell of a particular share. A history of the comments gives far more than just the situation today. I've always wanted Paul to just write on what interests him at the time but I do see a value in all his company comments even when the company concerned doesn't interest me.
I think it would be very useful to compile a list of UK companies that have paid dividends since 23 March or have stated that dividends will continue. For starters:
Berkeley and Imperial Brands came forward for me but there was another which cancelled its dividend the day before it was due to be paid.
Paul - could you give us an updated view on H&T - it feels like a lot of people will be needing their services as we go through these times
Hi,
Graham normally covers H & T (LON:HAT) - he's doing Monday's coming report, so I suggest you put in a request for him to look at it.
Regards, Paul.
Strong balance sheets? One contender would be Cenkos Securities (LON:CNKS), which updated this morning.
Currently you can buy its cash holding for about 90p in the pound, with the other assets and the business thrown in for free.
I'm considering whether to buy back into Cenkos Securities (LON:CNKS) actually. As you say, you're getting the business for nothing, as the market cap is similar to its own cash pile.
The downside is that it's unlikely to return to previous levels of profits, because those were one-off gains from floating things to Woodford.
On the upside, I think we will have a tidal wave of fundraisings to keep existing listed companies afloat over the rest of 2020. So should be lucrative fees available for brokers that get the business & can deliver. Set against that, I doubt they'll get many IPOs away for the time being.
EU authorities request insurers withdraw/suspend dividends:
https://uk.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/insurers-oil-majors-put-ftse-100-on-track-for-weekly-losses-2088412
It seems likely the UK will follow, unfortunately. (Early falls in Aviva (LON:AV.) and Legal & General (LON:LGEN) are explained by this).
Paul, As a gesture of support in troubled times, coul;d you ask Ed whether Stockopedia would be willing to offer subscribers a free upgrade to an extra region or two?
It might even lead subscribers to make the upgrade permanent.
That is a very good idea! I wish I had taken up the 'Black Friday' deal last year to add additional regions at a discount. I've been adding a few quality European stocks over the last few days and it is a shame to see them all locked in the portfolio.
+1 from me. Great suggestion that I hope reaches Ed for consideration.
Paul, As a gesture of support in troubled times, coul;d you ask Ed whether Stockopedia would be willing to offer subscribers a free upgrade to an extra region or two?
Actually I think this is a grossly unfair request and anyone that thumbed up your post needs to take a good look in the mirror. This is no better than a highly profitable company telling their landlord they're going to stop paying the rent. Have you seen the Stockopedia company accounts? If anyone needs support it is them and maybe as a sign of support to them you should pay up if you want access to more information. This is a time to show goodwill, not take it.
Si
I'm with you Simoan, no one should expect Stockopedia to cut prices. In order to deliver the service they have quite a big payroll in the UK and in India. Their expertise doesn't come cheap. If people want a price cut do they want a cut in the service they get. When I ran a business and people asked for a discount I used to say 'which part of our service don't you want?'
If people want a price cut do they want a cut in the service they get. When I ran a business and people asked for a discount I used to say 'which part of our service don't you want?'
Absolutely! Those of us that actually run a business can empathise with Stockopedia here. Only someone that doesn't value a service would ask for it to be provided free of charge.
All the best, Si
Fair points - though I think the thrust was not that folks not willing to pay or want to pay less just an idea that might lead to some taking up the extended service.
There are real surprises in the present market.
Some of the smaller market caps have Not been decimated. Holders are holding. Little has changed.
Some of the large caps, affected by either the oil price, dividend cuts or debt have dropped substantially.
So the mantra of sticking to high liquidity, large cap stocks has caveats.
Good suggestions from Zipmanpeter....help us........... with EDUCATION... on balance sheets (& the fixing thereof) and how to do 2nd order research.
Level 1 to me is look at this screen in Stockopedia as a kick off point and
Level 2 is advice on how to DYOR (Do your own research from there).
How best to DYOR? This might include looking at current examples but as everyone says, things are moving fast and this is not a tipsheet.
SCVR/Paul (& Graham) are liked for their lucid, human (!) and educational style but there may be others who can share the the load.
It may also require taking out of SCVR to a separate "channel" or title (which is why the editorial burden may lie with Ed). This would also liberate it to work on bigger sized companies as well, many of which are becoming smaller!
Use resources to cope with new reality.
then Simoan
anyone that thumbed up your post needs to take a good look in the mirror
More support for this:
Hi FREng,
I'm just a freelance writer, so I don't get involved in anything like that!
You can raise a green ticket on anything, to talk direct to the Stockopedia HQ team - it's that round circle in the bottom RHS of any Stockopedia page.
Regards, Paul.
Morning Paul.
Exciting news from BGO. Interested to hear your opinion.
NHN buys 60% of Audiens for £6.5m (100%cost 5m Jan18) to make it into a world-leading customer data provider
NHN also invests 3.2m in BGO further securing and deepening its stake in BGO
Finncap upgrades "Excellent deal":
"This is one of the most exciting milestones in the history of Bango" - Ray Anderson Exec Chair
Great 2 weeks for #Bango. Results showing a swing to profitability. Spike in EUS due to #stayathome activity globally. Partnerships with Hatch and Sun Mobile announced
I hold
https://www.investegate.co.uk/…
Interesting update from Redcentric (LON:RCN) . finnCap says "...but despite these unusual times, RCN is a rare beast with such visibility...".
Paul - your thoughts would be appreciated.
My morning smallcap tweet:
Cenkos Securities (LON:CNKS) Redcentric (LON:RCN) CMC Markets (LON:CMCX) iomart (LON:IOM) Anexo (LON:ANX) Mediazest (LON:MDZ) Tanfield (LON:TAN) Fox Marble Holdings (LON:FOX) SysGroup (LON:SYS)1 Joules (LON:JOUL) Bagir (LON:BAGR) ReNeuron (LON:RENE)
Cenkos Securities (CNKS) guides FY(March) in line. Covid: co is fully operational and continues to operate as normal. "We continue to sign up quality clients, having added one this week, along with a number in the pipeline, and have the capacity to add many more to our stable."
Redcentric (RCN) guides FY(March) in line. 90% of rev is recurring, over half of non-recurring historically from the Health sector. Net debt is 1x EBITDA. Expects lower sales to new customers and a slowdown in major change projects from existing customers. Also some customers may come under pressure. Also installations requiring on-site engineers are likely to be delayed. Offsetting this, expects lower normalised cancellations and renewal churn.
CMC Markets (CMCX) Q4 strong. Guides FY CFD net trading rev up 95% and stockbroking net rev up 106%. Will pay div. Outlook confident.
Iomart (IOM) guides FY(march) in line. Has seen seen minimal change to our business levels. Covid "perhaps reinforces the journey to the Cloud." In more ways than one!
Anexo (ANX) guides FY19 profit in line. Deferrs div. "Following the decision to drive an increase in case settlements relative to new cases and thus achieve an increase in cash collections, the Board is pleased to confirm that cash collections have continued to grow and that the credit hire operation has been net cash generative for the first two months of FY-2020." Current trading in line.
MediaZest (MDZ) Material hit to Feb & March as clients initially began to defer some projects and more recently temporarily close stores and other places of business. Covid has halted all deployments and installations in progress. Guides 6 months to March small loss. Extends FY to Sept to defer audit costs. Co working on the assumption that the “lockdown” period and ongoing disruption caused by Covid-19 will have an impact for a minimum of six months.
Tanfield Group (TAN) Motion for Summary Judgement filed by SKL and Snorkel has been denied so parties will now proceed in discovery.
Fox Marble (FOX) co will continue to operate Kosovo factory, though it will scale back operations to specific projects. Will significantly scale back production at the Macedonia quarry. Board will not take any salary or fees until operations resume.
System1 (SYS1) CFO scrapers. He is thanked.
Joules (JOUL) [last night] £15m placing at 80p, 7% discount.
Bagir (BAGR has continued to experience existing orders being placed on hold or cancelled and has insufficient cash resources available to operate the business as a going concern. Seeking seeking immediate additional funding or insolvency looms. Shares suspended.
ReNeuron (RENE) priority internal research projects are continuing to progress to current timelines. Some clinical trials delayed. Co "has initiated a research programme focused on the potential utility of its proprietary exosomes as a delivery vehicle for viral vaccines. Previously presented, unpublished data show that ReNeuron's exosomes can be loaded with biologically active cargo and delivered preferentially to certain specific sites in the body." May be able to increase potency of coronavirus vaccines in development.
To add a bit of positivity for the weekend, here's the piworld webinar with John Rosier, Where to from here with the Markets? Included is John's excellent slide deck, which justifies why he's buying at the moment. John is an ex Fund Manager and has worked through 5 bear markets. It was helpful to get his view, and his honesty of what he's done right, and what he's got wrong. Well worth a listen, with great questions from the 100+ attendees.
He covers historic bull and bear markets; signs that he feels we might be at the bottom; gold, oil and companies including Strix (LON:KETL), SDI (LON:SDI), Anglo Pacific (LON:APF), Renew Holdings (LON:RNWH), Bioventix (LON:BVXP), Moneysupermarket.Com (LON:MONY), Watkin Jones (LON:WJG), Next (LON:NXT) and many more.
Hi Tamzin,
Enjoyed the webinar yesterday - would be nice to do a follow-up, maybe answering the questions that you were unable to get round to, or one 6 months later to check on progress?
Kind Regards,
Dave S.
or one with a contrary view? Phil Oakley?
Thanks Dave. Yes, we'll do a follow up with John at some stage.
@sharesurfer - great idea :)
Dear Paul and Graham,
Might I make a suggestion? At this point in time, instead of writing about companies that are reporting today, why not write about companies that have solid balance sheets and/or companies you may consider investing in now? Right now, most updates are irrelevant anyway as most can’t estimate what impact CV-19 is going to have on their profits.
I’d be much more interested in your identifying those companies that have bullet proof balance sheets and/or those companies you feel best placed to benefit once the pandemic is over. It would be a starting point for people like myself to then do more research.
Best wishes,
M
That would be very helpful and a tangible reflection that everything has changed!
This would be brilliant. May I suggest that the companies involved are not limited by market cap?
Could I also suggest that CMC Markets (LON:CMCX) is on the list as it has just given its FY pre-close trading update and it looks like they are doing well (and keeping divi policy in place as well as having a rock solid balance sheet.)
Thanks for your excellent reports. They have been totally brilliant recently - especially with the high grade comments. Hard to imagine an environment where people are having a higher quality discussion on a daily basis!
dfs12 i hold cmc think 2021 forcasts are a bit easy to hit pe12, fste 250 awaits.
Great plan. And for those who are impatient, maybe a few companies that have way further to fall and might offer some portfolio protection as a short?
Wouldn't doing this simply turn this column into a tip sheet? I am not sure Paul or Graham would want to be in that business. Personally, I have always regarded all the writings here more as considered assessments designed to act as catalysts to further, personal research.
( Interesting announcement referencing government decision to support bus companies this morning. Big surge in Rotala (LON:ROL) first thing, but it has slipped back now. The company has a shed of debt from acquisitions, but has some interesting freehold property underpinning this. The cancellation of the dividend caused a lot of selling. The spread is horrendous and it is very illiquid, but it may be of interest).
(Also Bagir (LON:BAGR) looks as though it may go fins up. It is perhaps a general warning that small, heavily-indebted companies are now very vulnerable).
"Wouldn't doing this simply turn this column into a tip sheet?"
Yes it would
Hi Beginner/Stevie J,
I was also thinking that myself. I would say that do what I suggested temporarily. I have been reading Paul and Grahams reports and, recently, too often, they do a tonne of work and at the end say words to the effect 'its impossible to value in the current environment due the pandemic".
You're right to also say it has to be a starting point for further research. The reason I subscribe to Stockopedia and not a tipsheet is precisely because I want to ultimately decide what to invest in. I was just thinking while this is going on, if they wrote about a few companies that had solid balance sheets and/or might be relatively better able to withstand the current pandemic it could be a starting point for us to research further.
I would also like to this opportunity to say thank you to both Paul and Graham for the work they put into this. Invariably, the reports are intelligent, lucid and a great read. And thank you to all you subscribers who post comments. I like reading all your (differing!) points of view.
M
Excellent idea sharesurfer , its all about the balance sheet at present if you don;t want the prospect of being diluted out existence before earnings recover.
Ok heres a starte for 10 - more comments made by Paul earlier in the week ref this company.
Take Norcros (LON:NXR) for example
Per the company this week
Norcros has a strong balance sheet
Fact is they don't have anything like a strong balance sheet specifically looking at the current crisis and shouldn't really be pretending they do have. They may not have any imminent issues with decent headroom on covenents (that could vanish if earnings vanish although i would like to think current circumstances would make waiver semi automatic if temporary breach and compay has recommenced full trading by late summer) and they have reasonable extra headroom ref borrowing.
However looking at the actual balance sheet
at 30/9/19
They have payables of 77 mill exceeding receivables of 64 mill - inventories of 88 mill - mark this as a C - just about acceptable. Obviously inventoies needed to kept to earn their crust so i would normally ignore but inventories are high enough to cover mismatch between wahts owed out and in.
Cash 22 mill borrowings 63 mill - mark E- this is the main issue - any company with debt is in hock to a bank or similar and this massively increases chances of rights issue. Ok that debt not more than 1 .5* profit (normal year) but if they have to stop/reduce materially trading there will be no profit.
Pension liability 33 mill - D - its an extra unecessary complicatiion - i would say the pension scheme is unlikely to rock the boat short term as the company is the golden goose in that regard , but its presence could constrain cheap financing.
Lease liabilities - 5.6 mill 1 year - 24 mill over 1 year. C- in the scheme of things not material but there is the cashflow out obligation.
Land and buildings cost 34 mill net book value 18 mill B+. No notes anywhere in annual report to say what this is and if it has any tangible value. Better to have this asset than not thogh.
Extra room for financing note - per this week trading update
The Group has access to a £120million committed RCF financing facility, plus a £30million accordion facility, which mature in November 2022 and has drawn down £84m on the RCF facility to ensure that it has sufficient short-term liquidity.
Ok sounds like they have decent room ref financing - B+
Overall score D
One simply can't get away from the fact there is £40 mill of debt , pension deficit and high payables total. For company making £30 mill a year a complete non issue. But in current times you would be wanting deep discount to be investing here. Shareprice is way down from 280p to 120p - so there is a deep discount - but its justified if one takes the worst case view the company profits the next 12 months may evaporate with prlonged shutdown and that could cause covenant test issues.
Personally i feel a slow return to the norm over the next 3-9 months and hopefully they are only £20-40 more in debt than expected with no dilution needed - but excatly the kind of share you don't need to take a risk on at present if you are looking to preserve capital and avoid potential rights issues if normal service does not resume.
, instead of writing about companies that are reporting today, why not write about companies that have solid balance sheets
You can do that by checking some of the Stockopedia filters. The problem is how to evaluate balance sheets. What is an asset on the balance sheet worth? For example, I think real estate values may tumble as retailers can't pay rents and homeowners can't move. Stock on the balance sheet may not be worth much if people aren't willing to buy it. Machinery is worth little if it is sitting idle. Having said that, a discussion along these lines might be helpful and profitable for investors here.
A good few years ago I remember reading (in Money Week I think) an explanation of the Altman Z Score. In truth I don't remember a lot of the detail of this but they gave examples of a few companies with both hight and low scores and I do remember both Halma (LON:HLMA) and Greggs (LON:GRG) as having good scores. At the time I tried buying some Halma (LON:HLMA) at what I thought was a reasonable price. I failed. More fool me.
Anyway, I take a good Altman Z Score as a proxy for a robust balance sheet. Am I right?
You can do that by checking some of the Stockopedia filters. The problem is how to evaluate balance sheets. What is an asset on the balance sheet worth?
Great question and one I have been thinking about a lot in respect of my portfolio. In the end it comes down to whether the asset is impaired in some way
Real estate - may drop short term but medium/long should come back with the economy - even if we wait 5 years for it. Inflation would also help here. So this favours companies like Marston's (LON:MARS) and £VTU who might do OK if they survive the initial storm by borrowing.
Machinery/Industrial CAPEX - this depends on understanding the machines at play. I ran a food business packing sachets of tomato sauce at fine tolerances. This did not like being mothballed. A batch bulk chemical company might have no such issues.
Fashion - These guys (several of my stocks!) are screwed. The stock they held in late Feb would be "spring" clothing. If selling restarts in summer they will be late and fashion may have moved on. Some people will have huge stock for seasonal sale in June. What's more, second order losses will be huge through wholesalers or franchisees ie these companies will go bust/not pay. Hope your fashion company has contracts that do not allow for return of unsold product. I hold £FCCN and £SOS for example. The former's balance sheet appears strong but I fear its rock, its inventory, is hugely overvalued in today's world.
Other Goods - By contrast if tiles or plumbing equipment sit in a box for 6 months there is a financing cost but no prospect of damage. So £NXR and £TPT wil be fine.
We need to share thoughts like this for critique/comment because we only have historic numbers now that mean anything......and what they meant has changed!
I listened to Patrick O'Shaunessy's latest podcast this afternoon "Gavin Baker - Investing through a bear market". One comment that struck me was analysts' #1 starting metric nowadays is "Liquidity days with zero revenue". Pretty self-explanatory - how long can the business survive on its cash reserves with costs cut to the bone. Obviously one can then finesse that, eg if there is some demonstrable value in non-cash assets. (But it's not impossible to anticipate little commercial value in, say, a car dealership out in the sticks in a real economic meltdown. Or the example of the garden centre referenced in today's thread - a large centre might hold £100K+ of 'fragile' stock - some of it might survive if fed and watered but the rest will just shrivel away.)
I don't feel that Stocko's underlying data is sufficiently granular to address such issues - you really have to dig under the bonnet with the detailed accounts, segmental reporting, key customer risk etc.
Another interesting comment was that you may think a SaaS company has solid recurring revenues. But in extreme conditions, some clients will go under and those that survive will demand, and get, huge discounts going forward. Just like the problem commercial landlords are facing. It's contagion effects like this that make analysis so fraught. Just a few weeks ago UK investors saw this as primarily an airline/travel sector problem, but look how fast it's spread to almost all sectors now.
All of us without exception would like this handed to us on a plate, sharesurfer, but as always with Stocko it has to be DYOR. Where would the fun exist, all dull as George Soros.
Note that of the 79 posts yesterday, only 4 were comments on the 3 Companies where Paul updated. There were 3 on BAKK, a one liner on G4m and 1 on SAA. It’s a lot of work for Paul with so little feedback in return. And I sometimes am just scanning his comments whereas in normal times I read them thoroughly.
Paul is still struggling with coronavirus. Information from Companies can be out of date within days. So there is a case for asking Paul if alternative suggestions might be worth considering while this crisis persists. In the end though it’s for Paul to do it the way he wants to.
It’s not about people wanting tips. It is more about Company comment more appropriate to these extraordinary times.
And advice to use Stocko figures is excellent in normal times, but so many of them are now so out of date. E.g Next, previously throwing off cash, and an example of THE way to do it is now in total shutdown!
Anyway doesn’t Cenkos fit the bill for a Company that is coping well with coronavirus and with good business prospects after it? I bought recently on news of another mandate, and their update today sounds reassuring. Cash £24 million and £25million market cap. So business near enough in the price for free. It would be good to know Paul’s thoughts on Cenkos.
I agree
Sharesurfer - Great comment but I think it is Ed not Paul that should help us , the Stockopedia community, with EDUCATION/TRAINING on balance sheets (& the fixing thereof) and how to do 2nd order research. Level 1 to me is look at this screen in Stockopedia as a kick off point and Level 2 is advice on how to DYOR (Do your own research from there). How best to DYOR? This might include looking at current examples but as everyone says, things are moving fast and this is not a tipsheet.
SCVR/Paul (& Graham) are liked for their lucid, human (!) and educational style but there may be others who can share the the load.
It may also require taking out of SCVR to a separate "channel" or title (which is why the editorial burden may lie with Ed). This would also liberate it to work on bigger sized companies as well, many of which are becoming smaller! I for one would like to learn more about the modalities and consequences of Rights Issues/refinancing options for small shareholder for example. There will be a lot of these in the next few months and years!
To contradict myself a bit, a great "teaching" example was when Paul went through Loungers IPO on video and we could see more of his process.
This is complicated.
Added to the issues over whether that asset is worth what is stated as book value, there is also the question of whether the debtors really will pay up ( e.g. if you are a landlord.)
We can all use stocko to spot companies that look like they do have good balance sheets.
I am sure Paul/Graham are looking at a number of companies.
On 13 march they published a watchlist, which may be close to what some are looking for today.
Personally I would be interested in one or two examples of companies that look sound if you just skim the balance sheet, but actually are really likely to fail on close inspection.
... so I could look at what I hold and apply a similar process to discover the true horror.
Why not start a separate thread for subscribers to suggest/comment on companies that have solid balance sheets and/or companies worthy of at least putting on a watch list?
It doesn't have to go as far as being a tip sheet. Perhaps discussing a sector a day, how it is being affected, it's chances of recovering in the near or more distant future, and discussing a few of the shares in that sector
Or for me rather than “identifying those companies that have bullet proof balance sheets” your process for “identifying those companies that have bullet proof balance sheets” so that we can do it for ourselves? Screens, ratios thought processes.
Thank you.
One data point worth considering as a starter is director deals. For those to matter they need to be significant - hundreds of thousands. Pack buys by multiple directors are particularly interesting. Sales can be interesting, especially if by multiple directors but individual sales don't necessarily tell you anything as individuals may have specific calls on their cash particularly during times like these.
If we look at the last two weeks some of the most interesting transactions:
Straws in the wind, maybe.
timarr
P.S. Worth remembering that lots of companies are in a closed period due to the FCA requirement to delay results. We'll get a better idea of sentiment when those come out.
Hi timarr
Very useful posting of director deals. Thank you.
I am also looking carefully at major holdings RNS's with regard to companies I scan.
I also always look at the Stockopedias Major shareholders under the Accounts drop down. As the level of interest from these >3% holders and their recent movements help me to assess whether people with far more insight into a company than I are seeming to hold, add or are beginning to sell.
I then look/watch for such moves onto the volume and share price graphs.
For but one example Imperial Brands (LON:IMB) (not everyone's cup of tea type stock I know), 31.46% of the stock is held by 9 major shareholders. Six have made moves in Feb 2020 & Mar. The share price and transaction volumes seem also to reflect these sorts of traders.
Regards
Howard
I also always look at the Stockopedias Major shareholders under the Accounts drop down. As the level of interest from these >3% holders and their recent movements help me to assess whether people with far more insight into a company than I are seeming to hold, add or are beginning to sell.
Hi Howard
It's an interesting indicator but I wouldn't take too much notice of institutional selling - there'll be a lot of covering of positions going on, funding redemptions, etc. Purchases are interesting but it could be for a number of reasons - income funds desperately covering the dividend losses they're suffering. for instance.
That's one of the problems at the moment - the rapid scale of the drawdown will have left many holders short of available funds so you'll get inexplicable price movements which people try to interpret in terms of some level of fundamental understanding but which are often nothing more than side-effects.
Director dealing - particularly purchases and particularly in large volumes are usually very strong indicators of insider sentiment during periods of uncertainty. On the other hand, directors are notoriously poor at judging their own companies so it's never anything more than a flag for further research.
But I was particularly interested in the purchases by Ten Entertainment (LON:TEG) and Micro Focus International (LON:MCRO) directors where both companies have recently passed their dividends ...
timarr