Small Cap Value Report (Tue 27 Aug 2019) - FTSE Contrarianism, CPR, CLG, SONG, COG

Hi Graham, when you buy PUT options they make money when the underlying market drops, not rises... or are you going long via spread bets, and using PUT options to limit your downside risk?... or are you selling PUT options - which IMO would be dangerous given all the macro factors at the moment.

I know this is all a bit 'rough' but...
The UK equity-risk premium is about 5.5%

The yield over the next year is ~(3.6+4.4)/2 = 4%
Base rates are 0.75%
Productivity grew ~0.8% to Q1 19

4 + 0.75 + 0.8 = ~5.5%

... so you could argue that the ftse is about fairly valued.

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I haven't researched that product Gerard, but I find that the fees associated with those sorts of products can be high, and they are more complicated if you want to really understand how they work. But there are probably some good structured products which I haven't discovered. G

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Martin, I am doing the dangerous thing which nobody wants to do. G

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Morningstar quotes an annual charge of 0.7%, but I'm not sure how all the derivative costs are factored in.  The trouble with options on the other hand is that they expire, but these ETPs don't.

An interesting read, Graham.

I would suggest other reasons that the FTSE has barely moved are:

• The traditional saying of "the US sneezes and the UK catches a cold"  - the problem is that when the US market rises strongly, the UK reaction is muted, but when the US markets fall then the UK markets frequently drop more excessively and for longer.
• The FTSE is largely made up of non-growth companies, where one is lucky to see much more than low-single-digit increases in revenue. Notable exceptions IMHO re Ashtead (LON:AHT) which is exhibiting very strong growth, Legal & General (LON:LGEN) which seems to be on a ludicrous valuation despite good growth (though there seem to be excessive fears about how Brexit could affect them), and NMC Health (LON:NMC) which is growing at over 20% a year and yet has seen a huge decline in share price.

I also give a thumbs up for the new photo - much more suave and sophisticated ;-)

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Gerard, it's too long to explain in a comment but you need to investigate "daily rebalancing". These ETFs are designed to be held for less than a day. A long term holding will destroy your returns. The more volatile the underlying (FTSE 100 over the next few months?) and the greater the leverage (5x) the worse the performance.

Whatever else may be said about Graham's trade, it does not suffer from this weakness.

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Ahhh. Can't quite bring myself to say good luck as i'm on the other side of the trade! :)

But FWIW i do think the FTSE will be the most resilient of the major indices in a correction... My FTSE puts are small in comparison to those on the Dow, S&P, Nasdaq, Dax & Stoxx 50.

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What's the conceptual logic behind this? Adding up these three variables and noting they are roughly equivalent to the UK equity risk premium?

Ref FTSE

This instrument was trading above 6700 in mid-2007. It previously broke that level in 1999 and 2000.

In hindsight it seems pretty obvious that the logical conclusion is that the ftse was way overvalued around these peak quoted times - the dropback in price from prior highs suggests this was the case. If  we say 5000 level average in the 00's and 6500 average in the 10's - we are now at 7000 - does that not make the performance look way less bad? . don't know but i am guessing anyone who has steadily been adding since 1999 will probably have  averaged a purchase price of below 5700? - so not such awful returns really if we look as how crapola bank interest returns have been in the last few years.

One thing to notice is that although the FT100 has gone nowhere since 2000, the FT250 has done well. There seems to be little in the way of value discrepancy, suggesting that as a class, mid-caps are better bets than large-caps.

I also think that the vast majority of FT100 shares are too highly leveraged, and earn poor returns on capital, making them poor bets in general. I once solicited ideas for LTBH shares, and one suggestion that cropped up was Vodafone (LON:VOD). I rejected it for the reasons just mentioned.

Another thing to watch out for is that the FT100 index can go through spells where a cyclic sector is at its high point, such as we had with miners some time ago. Investing in these could spell disaster.

I'm not saying never invest in large-caps, of course. I do, for example, own some shares in Royal Dutch Shell (LON:RDSA).

Thanks for your more general musings on the FTSE Graham. I always enjoying reading these - alongside the standard small-cap coverage. So please keep it coming. Should be an interesting autumn all round! 

Interesting point but all it tells me is that holdings indexes is not a good way to invest at all because you need to account for the companies which have been bought out or went bust.

If you own the ones which were bought, you gained. If the latter, you lost. However this is key to showing the full picture.

Since the final trading day of 1999, former household names such as Abbey National, ICI and Norwich Union have disappeared entirely after mergers or takeovers. Other famous brands such as Cadbury’s Schweppes, British Airways and NatWest live on but as part of bigger companies.

In 1999, the telecoms and first internet boom was in full swing and phone companies and technology companies made up more than 20% of the index, according to figures from stockbroker Hargreaves Lansdown. Now they account for about 7% of the list.

BT and Vodafone made up almost 14% of the FTSE between them and were the second and third biggest companies in the country. Both are still in the index but companies that fell out after the dotcom collapse of 2000 included Marconi, which went bust, Colt Telecom and Cable & Wireless.

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+around half have delisted, went bust or got bought by overseas companies since 1999. (ICI/Reuters etc.)

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"Indeed, I have added to my leveraged long position in the FTSE this morning, via put options."  I'm not sure I follow this.  Put options are used when betting that the market will fall and yet you stated that your position is long on the FTSE.  You've used put options as insurance for your longs?

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And who bought your options?
Graham, or someone who thinks the same way. They underwrite your put, they take your premium.

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RNS after the close - 48m shares taken up out of up to 68m offered

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If my memory is correct, Norwich Union simply renamed as Aviva, which is still in the index. Cadbury's and Schweppes are no longer in the UK index, but part of larger US companies (Mondalez and Dr Pepper Snapple?)

That's a big decline for the Telecoms since 1999! I wonder how the big consumer defensives such as Unilever, Diageo, Reckitt etc will have fared when we look back in another 20 years. Will Shell & BP still be drilling oil, will they have transitioned to green energy companies, or will they be much smaller?

An index does not show the performance on an investment in it unless it is a total return index like DAX30. To be tautological the only measure of return is the total return.  An accumulation fund / etf, or if you can find it a long term TRIUKX chart or data series gives a better idea.

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Implying that Graham is selling put options therefore...which would make his position entirely long (long on the puts and long on his spreadbet).  How therefore is his "breakeven" 6400 to 6500?