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Small Cap Value Report (Weds 27 April 2022) - IGR, ABDP, CPC, SYME, CHLL, BIDS

Good morning, it's Paul & Roland here this morning. Today's report is now finished.

Agenda - 

Paul's Section:

Ig Design (LON:IGR) (I hold) - a trading update for FY 3/2022 reassures that trading is not deteriorating any further (after a previous series of profit warnings), and thank renewal of bank facilities is imminent. Bears might latch onto the long 3-year timeframe expected to restore profit margins, and guidance for much increased average bank debt. Overall, I think there's turnaround potential here, which hopefully a new CEO might be able to deliver. For now though, the jury's out.

£SYME  &  Chill Brands (LON:CHLL) - prompted by MrContrarian's report flagging deeply discounted fundraisings at these couple of basket cases, I expand on the theme of how difficult it now is for speculative shares to raise fresh equity. Hence investors beware, if you hold any jam tomorrow shares that need money, because the funding window has slammed shut in these bearish market conditions.

Bidstack (LON:BIDS) - FY 12/2021 results are out, which show another hefty loss. The placing from mid-2021 is not going to be enough - see the going concern note. Too speculative at this stage, although I'm keeping an eye on it, due to strong forward contracted revenue growth. High risk.

Roland's Section:

Ab Dynamics (LON:ABDP) - this British engineering group makes testing equipment for car manufacturers. Today’s half-year results suggest a return to growth after the pandemic. The stock rarely looks cheap, but strong cash generation and a history of growth suggest to me that this could be worth a closer look.

City Pub (LON:CPC) - this upmarket pub group appears to be trading well, but a decision to absorb rising costs means margins are under pressure. I think it’s a decent business, but I’m not sure it’s a great investment opportunity.


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Paul’s Section:

Ig Design (LON:IGR) (I hold)

79p (yesterday’s close)

Market cap £77m

Background - this group is -

One of the world's leading designers, innovators and manufacturers of celebrations, craft, gifting, stationery and creative play products

There’s a focus on Christmas-related products, such as gift wrap, therefore when supply chain & logistics problems hit them last autumn, the company had no choice but to absorb greatly increased distribution costs, just to get the product out to customers in time. Since Christmas-related products become virtually worthless after 25 Dec. With hindsight, that was a flaw in the business model which we didn’t spot.

A series of profit warnings caused the share price to crash, the CEO to exit, and the company’s reputation for competence went out of the window.

That followed a long bull run, from 2015-2020, where the shares roughly 10-bagged, and the business was seen as very well managed, and growing strongly. It just shows, we never know what’s around the corner, and amazingly the shares gave up all the gains in the last year, back down at 2015 levels again.

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My notes from the profit warning on 26 Jan 2022 are here. At the time, breakeven was guided for FY 3/2022.

I do have concerns about the reliance on bank facilities, but also I reckon there’s a potential recovery (at least partially) here, as it’s a lot of business for the money now - only £77m market cap, with revenues approaching $1bn p.a..

Therefore, if management can restore profit margins, by passing on cost increases, then there’s obvious potential upside.

Downside risk is that business may continue to struggle, and possibly require a dilutive equity fundraising.

Therefore I would see this share as a possible turnaround (not yet proven), and higher risk.

On to today’s update.

Trading Update - for FY 3/2022.

Revenues good, at $963m (up 10% on LY)

Profit guidance -

Group operating margin is expected to be 0.5% delivering Group operating profit1 marginally ahead of previously communicated expectations, reflecting a stronger than anticipated performance in the USA. The Group expects to report a small adjusted loss before tax1 for the year.
1 Now includes the credit/(charge) relating to share based incentives.

Net cash of $30m - this is well down from $76.5m a year earlier, due to the need to increase inventories (raw materials) to support production for the forthcoming peak period. That makes sense to me, and seems a sensible strategy, to prevent supply chain problems recurring this year. Inflationary impact of rising materials costs is also pushing up inventories - something I expect we’ll see from many companies. Hence it’s very important to consider balance sheet strength, and bank facilities - will they be sufficient to finance additional working capital in an inflationary environment?

Bank facilities - this is my main worry with IGR, since it needs a big bank facility to finance peak seasonal trading each year. As mentioned before, banks like financing seasonal peaks, which is then paid off each year, which is what happens at IGR. This greatly lowers risk for the banks.

Today’s update sounds quite reassuring to me, and the shares could get a boost once bank facilities are renewed, which sounds imminent -

The Group is in the process of finalising a facility waiver amendment in anticipation of the 2022 seasonal working capital requirements and an extension to March 2024 of the existing banking arrangements which run currently to June 2023. It is expected that these will be completed in the near term.

Although there’s a risk this might not happen as expected. A “waiver amendment” is telling us that IGR is expecting to breach bank covenants. I wouldn’t want to risk too much money on this share until the bank facilities/covenants have been agreed. Although in terms of risk, that’s probably not too great here.

Management - both CEO & CFO departed. A new CFO (Paul Bal) has been found, starts imminently, 3 May.

There’s an interim COO in place.

Continuing to look for a CEO.

The Chairman, Stewart Gilliland, is in charge for now, as Interim Exec Chairman.

USA Strategy - doing obvious things to restore margins, targeting 5-6% by FY 3/2025.

That seems a long timescale to implement cost savings, passing on increased supply chain costs, and simplify product ranges. Why so long? I hope that the new CEO, when appointed, implements a much more aggressive turnaround strategy.

Outlook - not great.

Guidance is for flat (a small adj loss before tax) for FY 3/2023. I think investors would have expected better than that.

Average net debt throughout the year (an excellent figure, which all companies should report, as it gives the real picture, rather than an often distorted year end snapshot) is going to be much higher, at $75-80m in FY 3/2023 (versus c.$15m in FY 3/2022), due to higher inventories.

Demand remains strong, but supply chain is a continuing uncertainty.

Diary date - 28 June 2022 for FY 3/2022 results.

My opinion - I’m encouraged that the business seems to have stabilised, and isn’t getting any worse.

However, I don’t think management is doing enough to turn around the business in a reasonable timeframe, they need to step up a gear - hopefully that might happen with a dynamic new CEO, if appointed? I hope they choose a hard-nosed turnaround specialist, not a plodder, or a dreamer.

Bank facilities are an issue, so risk is elevated until those are signed off, which could provide a good catalyst for the share to rise.

The market has not reacted well at the open, with shares down 14% to 66p as I type, at 08:13.

At the moment I only have a tiny shareholding in IGR, and on balance, I’m probably going to buy a few more, but keeping the position small for the time being, as there probably isn’t any great rush.

There again, I could see this share doubling or tripling if a decent new CEO is recruited, and executes an accelerated turnaround plan.

So it’s potentially interesting, but does carry some risk.

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Blue Sky/Jam Tomorrow companies - fundraisings

Many thanks to MrContrarian, as always, for his superb early morning snapshots of the news, posted in the comments below each day. We’re really grateful for this witty summary of the news, and it often helps me/Jack/Roland in spotting things that we might have otherwise missed, to expand on in our commentaries.

In today’s summary, MrC flags heavily discounted fundraisings from two dreadful (in my opinion) companies, Supply@me Capital (LON:SYME) and Chill Brands (LON:CHLL) . I want to pick up on this theme, and expand on it a little.

Today’s news on jam tomorrow company fundraisings is:

Supply@me Capital (LON:SYME) - complicated arrangements, with Venus Capital, to provide up to £7.5m in fresh equity, in tranches. The first tranche is priced at 0.05 pence. So 2.77bn new shares, raising £1.385m in cash. That seems to be a 50% discount to last night’s closing price of 0.1p. Venus also gets 1 Warrant for each 2 new shares, priced at 0.065p. There were 37.2 billion shares in issue before this deal! Where companies throw around warrants like confetti, it limits the upside for other shareholders, because if the share price rises then warrant holders tend to exercise them, thus creating more dilution for everyone else (and they often cash out, if the warrants are in the money).

As for SYME’s business, I’ve reviewed it a couple of times here, concluding that it’s little more than a startup, and the valuation is nuts.

Chill Brands (LON:CHLL) - my review of the company here on 28 Jan 2022 concluded (and sorry if it looks conceited, quoting my own stuff, but it saves typing) - “It needs to raise more cash, and the £26m market cap looks bonkers. So I wouldn't go near it, unless/until the business model has been proven.” [SCVR 28/1/2022, share price 12.2p]

After market hours last night, CHLL announced it is raising £583k in fresh equity at just 2p per share (29.17m new shares at 2p). There are 212m existing shares in issue. A further £2.92m is being raised from convertible loan notes. The loan notes can be converted into ordinary shares also at 2p.

What is the purpose of convertible loan notes? It gives the purchasers an each way bet - if things go badly, then lenders effectively control the company, and can wipe out equity holders in a future emergency fundraise. Or if things go well, then the loan note holders can convert into equity, and share the upside with existing equity holders. So risk:reward for existing equity just got a lot worse, with big dilution, at a low price, and more dilution from loan note conversion if things go well. Hence I would say at this stage, there’s little reason for existing holders to continue holding, because the upside has now probably largely disappeared. The company confirms it is continuing to operate at negative cashflow.

Note that this 2p fundraise is at an 84% discount to when I reviewed the company just 3 months ago, warning that it clearly needed to raise more cash.

My opinion - it’s very easy to spot when companies have a requirement for more cash. You just look at the balance sheet, and compare cash held, with the rate of cash burn. If there’s less than say 2 years cash burn in the bank, then dilution from an equity fundraising is likely. If there’s less than 1 years cash burn in the bank, then an equity fundraising is very likely.

In a roaring bull market, investors have cash to spare, and are often happy to participate in fundraisings, even if it’s a speculative company, where the share price is rising. Trouble is, those conditions are now a memory only.

We’re now clearly in a fairly brutal bear market for small caps, which means that investors may not have spare cash, and probably won’t want to part with it for a speculative fundraising from a loss-making company with a rubbish business model. Hence the only way such companies can raise money now, is to offer a massive % discount on new shares. If they can raise money at all.

As we saw recently with Sensyne Health (LON:SENS) it ran out of cash. An emergency fundraising was arranged, but it resulted in massive dilution at under 1p per share, and the share is de-listing.A year ago, the share price was over 150p, but it had a reckless business model, burning huge amounts of cash.

In a bull market, companies imagine that they can do repeated “rounds” of fundraisings, at ever higher prices. This is an import from the USA tech world, but of course the bubble has now burst, and in any case this approach didn’t travel well, and UK investors have often proven reluctant to fund repeated fundraisings, which often get into a downward spiral on AIM, leading to ruinous dilution, which means earlier investors get diluted away to almost nothing, and you’re guaranteed to lose money, even if the share price multibags. So the danger is you feel almost forced to keep averaging down, and supporting fundraisings, just to keep some upside. Upside that is rarely delivered.

What’s the lesson from this? Given market conditions, I think it’s vital to not be holding anything which might need to raise more cash, because the terms of any fundraising could be very harsh to existing holders.

Even companies which look adequately funded now, might need more cash an inventories have to rise, to ease supply chain problems (e.g. placing orders earlier, to guarantee supply, holding more physical volume of inventories, and of course the rising value of inventories per unit).

That comes at a time when banks are becoming more cautious, due to the increased likelihood of a recession.

As regards blue sky or jam tomorrow shares, it’s probably safest not to hold any! The track record collectively of these type of companies is diabolical. Very few succeed commercially. Although there can be spectacular bull runs, if a story is believed by enough excitable investors. We all like a good story, so despite my best endeavours, I do sometimes succumb to a jam tomorrow story - I’m only human - remember BigDish! That one 7-bagged, and like an idiot I didn’t sell any, eventually capitulating around breakeven - as much as anything it was consuming too much time & mental energy, so it was better to just ditch it & move on.

All too often though, investors have great difficulty in walking away from a failing jam tomorrow investment. My suggestion would be - cut the cord, and forget about it. Especially in this bear market, risk:reward is firmly against you, for most companies which are burning cash, have not proven their business model is viable, and are rapidly running out of cash. The next fundraising could be at a brutally low price, so why continue holding? I would sell now, and give the money to ZANE, rather than watch it go down the plughole.

Companies which are showing excellent growth can still raise money though. A good recent example is Beeks Financial Cloud (LON:BKS) (I hold - now in my top 3), which did a £15m fundraise at a very modest 3% discount. So providing there’s an excellent story to be told of a business powering ahead, and funds needed for expansion rather than to just keep the lights on, then money is still available on reasonable terms. Hence why I wasn’t worried about BKS needing additional funding, because I was confident they could get it, and they have. An RNS came out this morning, saying Canaccord (usually shrewd small caps fund manager Hargreave Hale, acquired by Canaccord) has gone up from 11% to 15.3%, so must have taken a decent chunk of the £15m placing, encouraging that it’s a fund manager with a strong long-term track record.

Having said all the above, I do have one jam tomorrow share in my portfolio, Loopup (LON:LOOP) - which I reckon is likely to need another fundraising fairly soon. I’m fully aware that it’s high risk, and running out of cash. Sod’s Law being what it is, the share price has doubled today, now the top riser. Although looking at bulletin boards, it looks like rampers are at work. So the tricky question is whether to sell into the spike, or just hold for the long-term. I’ve (probably wrongly) decided to sit tight.

EDIT: Another thing to consider with blue sky companies, as a very successful and cynical investor friend once told me is this. With some speculative shares, the actual business is raising money from shareholders, and profiting from that by insiders selling, once the share price has been ramped up to gullible punters. So once you spot insider selling, then that confirms the company could simply be a device to enrich founders, and management via ramping the story, then selling quietly at an inflated share price. Then when the story has gone so stale nobody's interested, then can walk away having banked a substantial profit, if they times their share sales well.  These type of promotions often happen repeatedly, from the same cynical people.


Bidstack (LON:BIDS)

3.1p (down 4% at 12:12)

Market cap £29m

Continuing the jam tomorrow theme, we’ve looked at this speculative share a few times. The concept seems interesting, and if it takes off, could be lucrative, hence why people like punting on this share (well that sums up all jam tomorrow companies really).

A quick skim of the StockReport quickly shows up that this company has already had enormous dilution from repeated fundraisings. Despite that, book value has barely changed at c.£3m in the last 3 years, which demonstrates how fresh equity is being quickly burned through from operational losses -

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Remember that, as stated, this is the average number of shares in issue. So we also need to check the current figure, which in this case has shot up further, to 931m more recently! -

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Results for FY 12/2021 -

Revenue up 53% to £2.6m - still small, but signs of life here.

Loss before tax at a whopping £(6.2)m is similar to last year.

Placing raised £10.9m before fees in July 2021 how long will that last? There was £7.1m left at end Dec 2021.

Balance sheet - note that receivables of £2.75m is more than full year revenues, which raises a question about whether customers are going to actually pay up?

Cash burn - I doubt we’ve seen the last placing. £7.1m cash at end 2021. That’s mostly going to be used up by end 2022 (not that long away). In a bear market will there be much appetite from investors to stump up more cash for them to burn through? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. Hence very high risk of more dilution.

Going concern statement - reinforces this point -

...although material uncertainty exists in relation to the group's ability to raise funds to sustain its operations…
the Group forecasts assume that further equity fundraising will take place in the next twelve months in in order to implement its growth strategy and operate as a going concern. Although the entity has had past success in fundraising and continues to attract interest from investors, making the Board confident that such fundraising will be available to provide the required capital, there can be no guarantee that such fundraising will be available and, accordingly, this constitutes a material uncertainty over going concern.

It’s very important to read all going concern statements, as there can often be key information in there, overlooked by many other investors.

Outlook/upside - some good stuff in here, but I seem to recall that revenues contains a high level of pass-through revenue -

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My opinion - the business model is still a long way from being proven yet.

This, and the requirement for more cash, means this share is very high risk, and most likely to result in a horrible loss, for anyone buying or holding now.

That said, the outlook and operational comments do seem to indicate the concept might be gaining traction. That would need much deeper research, and finding out what competition there is, how good or bad the product is, whether the ads annoy gamers, etc.

If what BIDS is doing is unique, you never know, it could become a takeover target, possibly?

At this stage, it looks very speculative, and far from cheap. However, I’m going to keep an eye on it, as there might be something interesting here, longer term, who knows?

Occasional bursts of interest, in a downtrend -

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Roland’s Section:

Ab Dynamics (LON:ABDP)

Share price: 1,440p (+7% at 08.15)

Shares in issue: 22.6m

Market cap: £305m

Half-year report

“The board now expects the financial results for the current year to be slightly ahead of market expectations.”

AB Dynamics provides testing systems for car manufacturers. Examples include driving simulators, steering robots and driver assistance testing equipment.

Although the share price has fallen by 50% from its 2019 peak, this stock has still been a 10-bagger since its 2013 IPO:

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However, profits peaked in 2019 and have yet to fully recover:

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Today’s half-year results include upgraded full-year guidance, and suggest to me that AB Dynamics may now be returning to growth after the pandemic. It seems like a good time to take another look at this business.

Financial highlights: Today’s results cover the six months ended 28 February 2022.

The numbers show strong revenue growth and an improvement in operating margins and cash generation.

  • Revenue +39% to £37.8m
  • Adjusted operating profit +63% to £5.7m
  • Adjusted operating margin: 15.1% (H1 2021: 12.8%)
  • Statutory operating profit: £2.5m (H1 2021: £0.7m)
  • Adjusted cash flow from operations: £8.5m
  • Adjusted earnings +52% to 19.9p per share
  • Interim dividend +10% to 1.76p per share

Trading summary: The company says that strong activity in track testing led to “significant improvements” in orders and revenue during the half year.

Although supply chain disruption remains a factor, operations have not been adversely affected to date. Price increases are being pushed through to offset inflation.

The proportion of service-based and recurring sales rose to 41% of revenue, from 31%. That seems encouraging to me, assuming margins are attractive. Recurring revenue generally provides improved earnings visibility and reliable cash flow.

Efforts to diversify are ongoing, with the development of the ABD Solutions business. This division has won its first non-automotive contract, a deal in Japan to supply a retrofit driverless solution for mining vehicles.

Profitability: I mentioned above that AB Dynamics’ profits had peaked in 2019 and not yet recovered. What has happened is that adjusted profits have fallen slightly since 2019 (presumably due to the pandemic). However, statutory profits have slumped.




2019

2020

2021

Adj op profit

£12.9m

£11.3m

£10.8m

Statutory op profit

£10.8m

£4.8m

£4.2m

This divergence marks the point in 2019 when the company began making regular acquisitions. AB’s management takes the common approach of adjusting out the amortisation charge on acquired intangible assets.

During H1, this charge was £2.7m, accounting for the majority of the difference between statutory (£2.5m) and adjusted operating profit (£5.7m)

I prefer to include the amortisation of acquired intangibles, as these accounting charges represent capital employed by the firm. Excluding them flatters return on capital employed calculations.

On the other hand, it’s true that these charges do not affect the cash profitability of the company going forward, so arguably are not important in our assessment of operating performance.

It’s a personal choice. What is clear is that this approach has lifted AB Dynamic’s H1 operating margin from a statutory 6.6% to an adjusted 15.1%.

That’s only slightly below the pre-2020 trend (Stockopedia always uses statutory operating profit):

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Balance sheet & cash flow: One reason to ignore the amortisation of acquired intangibles is that it doesn’t affect free cash flow.

My sums suggest AB Dynamics converted £5.7m of operating profit into £6.3m of free cash flow during the half year – this appears to be a highly cash generative business.

The balance sheet looks strong to me, too, with net cash of £27.7m and no financial debt, only some modest lease liabilities.

Outlook: Strong momentum into H2 means that management now expects full-year results to be “slightly ahead of expectations”. No further guidance is provided.

The broker trend has been weakening over the last 12 months, so today’s upgrade could become a turning point for the stock’s momentum.

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My view: AB Dynamics appears to be a good business in a growing market.

There are various ways of viewing the group’s profitability, but strong cash generation and a track record of revenue growth suggest to me that this is fundamentally a decent quality business.

I’ve always found valuation difficult here, as ABDP shares have usually looked very expensive. However, the stock is now 50% below the record highs seen in 2019. That’s changed the picture somewhat.

Looking ahead, ABDP shares are trading at around 35 times current year forecast adjusted earnings, falling to around 29x for FY23.

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I’d need to do more research to understand the growth opportunities for this business. But my feeling is that the shares might not be too expensive at current levels, on a long-term view. Definitely worth a closer look, I think.


City Pub (LON:CPC)

Share price: 81p (+8% at 08.55)

Shares in issue: 104m

Market cap: £80m

Preliminary results

“We are now confident that 2022 trading across the portfolio will exceed 2019 by the end of the second quarter.”

Despite rising inflation, people seem to be revelling in the ability to enjoy unrestricted socialising again. Leisure spending does not yet seem to have been affected by the rising cost of living.

In today’s full-year results, London-based pub group City Pub Group says that trading for the last nine weeks has been 98% of 2019 levels, on a like-for-like basis. The company is now confident that trading should exceed 2019 levels by the end of the second quarter.

City Pub operates 41 pubs, predominantly freehold. The group is continuing to expand, with a new location in Mumbles (Swansea Bay) opening this week. Three more locations are under development.

The group is also expanding through the phased acquisition of London/Birmingham firm Mosaic Pub and Dining Group. CPC’s stake in Mosaic was increased to 36% last year and the company expects to complete the acquisition in 2023. This will add 10 London pubs to CPC’s estate.

Financial highlights: Today’s results cover the year ended 26 December 2021. Naturally they are fairly poor, but they do show that the group achieved cash flow breakeven last year, despite continuing to invest in acquisitions and pub developments.

I’ve included 2020 and 2019 figures, so we can get an idea of what normality looks like for the business.

  • Revenue: £35.4m (2020: £25.8m, 2019: £60.0m)
  • Adjusted EBITDA pre-IFRS 16: £3.8m (2020: £(0.8)m, 2019: £9.1m)
  • Operating profit/(loss): (£2.9m) (2020: (£6.5m), 2019: £2.5m)
  • Net debt: £15.0m (2020: £32m, 2019: £13m)

N.B. Net debt has been reduced to £2m since the year end, through the disposal of six pubs.

Inflation: Rising costs are obviously an issue in this sector. The company reports “some impact” from industry challenges, especially energy and food costs. Management has opted to absorb these costs for now and hold prices. This means that margins are down. The impact isn’t specified.

My reading of this is that while trading (revenue) may have returned to 2019 levels, margins are likely to be lower, in the short term at least.

Outlook: Management says that large parts of City Pub’s estate are now trading well, but there are still some pubs “that need focus to re-establish normalised levels of trading”.

Efforts have been made to boost staff morale and improve the corporate culture. This is said to be helping with staff retention.

The staycation trend is expected to aid the firm, which has 220 letting rooms across its estate. Room sales are expected to account for 10% of revenue this year, compared to 6% in 2019.

The board continues to look for acquisition activities, as they believe this is “the best way to drive shareholder value”. CPC’s ambition is to have “65-70 quality pubs open by the end of next year”, including the Mosaic estate.

Based on CPC’s current estate of 41 and the 10 Mosaic pubs, this seems to imply that the company hopes to acquire or develop a further 14-19 pubs over the next year. That seems ambitious to me, but management says that opportunities are arising from “dislocation in the marketplace”.

My view: City Pub’s strong balance sheet and largely freehold portfolio provide a fairly safe starting point for an investment, in my view. There should be minimal debt risk and real asset backing if the operating businesses run into problems.

However, the group’s expansion plans suggest to me that gearing is likely to rise again over the coming year.

Similarly, the decision to absorb rising costs suggests to me that operating margins may come under pressure. I suspect the 2022 margin will be lower in 2022 than the 5% average reported from 2015-2019.

Given these concerns, I’m unsure how much value the stock offers at current levels.

When Paul looked at CPC in June last year, he commented that he was struggling to see the upside. This turned out to be prescient, as CPC shares have fallen by 35% since then:

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After today’s results, CPC shares are trading on around 14 times 2022 forecast earnings. That still doesn’t seem overly cheap to me, in such an inflationary environment.

Although the stock still sits at a discount of around 10% to its tangible book value, I would argue this reflects the low profitability and high maintenance capex requirements of a typical pub estate.

I think City Pub is probably a fairly good pub business. But I’m struggling to get too excited about it as an investment opportunity.

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I've been busy with non market distractions for couple of months now so limited comment from me but noticed a Bidstack (LON:BIDS) SCVR comment whilst travelling in the last couple of weeks and that peaked my curiosity so getting back to it now...

You know a speculative stock has deflated and markets are damaged when there's no bite in the SCVR to a comment by Paul! ;)

I own Bidstack (LON:BIDS) ...its not the cleverest thing I've done and I don't recommend the stock to anyone. Highly uncertain and a number of execution f-ups along the way to here. I first bought early this year at 7p  after disappointing TU thinking there was strong evidence they had operationally turned the corner and had an executable strategy plus my hunch was that financing was in hand. It might trade lower but chance it might not etc. I was wrong and they messed up financing and traded down sub 2p post raise...where I bought significant amount more. At current sp I'm below water but not much.

The addressable market is huge. They have been working hard to overcome commercial resistance to use of their ad platform. Its a slow process. They are not the only operator out there (see Adverty, Anzu, etc) but I think they are likely the best placed from a commercial standpoint.

Anyway, brief comment. There's a lot of detail to dig into but not got time right now. With VCT/EIS sort of guys now as holders then future funding assuming some operating progress should be quite straight forward as BIDS is an ideal place for them to invest. They are likely to have planned on a next round of funding but they probably quite like the price to be low to do so. This is a short term danger for PIs (ie in next 12 months).

I've no view how big BIDS can be but my minimum hope is a takeout at multiple of current once the platform proves out some more...and best hope is independence and growth/scale over 10+ years.

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Interesting update yesterday from Time Finance (LON:TIME) that the long-time biggest shareholder, Wellesley Finance (aka Cloverleaf) has sold their entire 19%+ stake to a US-based investor, Arena.

This was a bit of a stock overhang, as the stake had to be sold sooner or later, as Wellesley spectacularly collapsed into administration a few years ago. So this huge overhang and uncertainty with the largest shareholder in Time Finance has now been cleared.

I'd never heard of Arena before, they are self described as "a global institutional asset manager that provides creative solutions for those seeking capital in special situations" as well as "flexibility to engage in transactions that cannot be addressed by banks and other conventional financial institutions"

Now, the interest thing about Time is that they have an ambition to double their own book lending. Currently, they use their own balance sheet. And they also make fees from originating loans and passing them on to their financial partners to put on their books.

Might Arena be the source of funding that will unlock Time Finance's own book lending potential and allow them to scale in a big way in the next few years? I wait with anticipation to see what Arena does. It seems clear that Arena didn't just buy the shares just to be the largest shareholder, passively.

Another puzzle is Seguro via GPIM, who are the second largest shareholder with now 17%. I haven't been able to unravel exactly their intentions, but they were commercially related to Wellesley (providing them with investment management services), so I wouldn't be surprised if their stake is potentially up for sale too. Maybe Arena will be a buyer, to consolidate to an almost 40% stake?

(I hold)

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Sorry for the typos! You knew what I meant.

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Time for an update on Morses Club (LON:MCL) methinks. If use stocko metrics then something still in play and could take off - but reality is - well leave that to the brains. 

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Anyone interested in cigar butts Thg (LON:THG) up 15pc this week. I bought the IPO - lesson learned.

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I think @SYME is a load of nonsense.

Everytime they publish something they are claiming to be linking to some big name.

One minute they are targeting global micro businesses they next they will be funding partners for major corporates.

It looks to me like the directors will be drawing salaries and wasting other people's money.

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Concurrent Technologies (LON:CNC) looking very interesting against a backdrop of increased defence spending across nations.   Last reviewed in SCVR on 05 Jan with favourable overview from Paul.   Since then, there have been a couple of RNS's indicating from where future growth may start to kick in; due to report for full year this week...  I like it, technicals and fundamentals look quite tasty, I have bought some today.     

https://www.gocct.com/2022/02/...

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Thanks Forsby, I like what I see and the CEO comes across well, as he said the benefits of his changes won't be seen this year, due to product cycle...I guess the million dollar question is where is the market going between now and then...but on my watch list and would look to buy on a dip! Thanks again!

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City Pub (LON:CPC) shouldn't this be valued off its net assets? NAV per share is 145p so still on a more than 40% discount even after today's rise. Looks good value to me. 

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**CORRECTION - re. City Pub (LON:CPC) **

Hi Bouden54,

Thanks for flagging this up. I was working off the year-end balance sheet, which showed City Pub's net assets (equity) as £92m, or around 89p per share.

Since then, the company has sold six pubs for £17.1m and used this cash to eliminate most net debt. The property portfolio has also been revalued to £150m, excluding the sold pubs.

Making these changes to the balance sheet while leaving everything else unchanged does indeed suggest a net asset value per share of 145p. My mistake - apologies.

In property value terms, this might be good value. But as an ongoing pubco business I'd prefer to value on earnings. The reason for this is that the group's income is tied to its operating activities, not the value of its properties. Unless City Pub sells its pubs, their value will remain locked up.

I think it's worth noting that a number of other pub companies with property portfolios also trade a substantial discount to NAV. Unless profitability improves, I think these discounts are justified by the use of the property.

Regards,

Roland

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Thanks Roland. I'm still not sure whether to value this off NAV or earnings. Perhaps a 50/50 split would be appropriate? Still think it looks good value though, and good asset backing which I always like (and differentiates it from say Revolution Bars (LON:RBG)). 

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Talking of placings, I notice 888 Holdings (LON:888) raised £163million at 230p  to fund the purchase of William Hill 3 weeks ago. Not a small cap but they didnt appear to have any problem raising the cash.

888 Holdings (LON:888) now 20% below placing price. Im sure all institutions and potential short term flippers are thrilled. For everyone else tho it does present an interesting opportunity at 185p. Government gambling review out soon and obviously cost of living squeeze, both risks Id imagine.

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A great write up on "blue sky/jam tomorrow companies - fundraisings", thanks, Paul.

Probably nothing that I did not already know, but much that I needed reminding of!

This is really valuable journalism.

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Hi EC,

That's nice, thank you! :-)

As you say, nothing new, just a timely reminder.

This reminds me of a very recent trip to Malta, when I got chatting to a couple of chaps in a Valletta bar, and they told me they were running a tech startup. I can't remember anything much about the conversation, as I was enjoying the real ales. They didn't ask for my advice, but I gave it to them anyway, having ascertained they were burning through cash, and didn't have much left. I said, the funding window has slammed shut, so don't assume you'll be able to raise more cash. Better to get plenty of cash in the bank, for several years' operations, and give away half the company, than end up owning 100% of nothing.

They left shortly afterwards, one saying I'd asked great questions, the other one didn't say a word, he just got up and left.

Best wishes, Paul.

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"They didn't ask for my advice, but I gave it to them anyway, having ascertained they were burning through cash, and didn't have much left."

Lol great stuff Paul - ps very sensible comments so hopefully they did the opposite of what most people should do when "pub talk" is involved (leave it in the pub)

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In 1750+  (don't shoot the messenger) they called it the "coffee shop" - some of our institutions were born there. Then came unis - Microsoft, Facebook etc.  So where the next coffee shop - or market square as Mr Tusk observes. 

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Did Donald Tusk just buy Twitter or was that some other fella :-)

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China's mad zero covid policy will have a major negative impact this year according to Antwerp port CEO. Something to bear in mind with any company relying on Chinese imports.  If the last year is a guide then the market wont look through this even if the share price has priced it in, will be a double hit on the news.

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Looking over some of the US tech companies, their charts look horrible. Many rolling over and way below 200d MA. Interestingly half of S&P loss yesterday was FAANG stocks. They seem to finally be playing catchup - many others having been in a stealth bear market for 6-12 months. Same is true of UK small caps.

Fear and panic are at elevated levels, put/call ratio high. UK and German costumer confidence is in the dirt.  

If you're of the contrarian persuasion then in the short term at least this is looking v good for a rally sometime in the coming days. 

Longer term who knows? Im starting to price in the scenario of the US economy slowing quicker than anticipated, possibly leading to 1 or 2 more interest rate rises before they pull the plug on it.  If inflation starts to reduce also due to commodity prices having already peaked then we may yet see a retest of US market highs in the next 6 months, crazy as that sounds now. All in my opinion and liable to be completely wrong. 

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Anglo Pacific (LON:APF)

Nice record Q1 revenues reported as it continues to deleverage on huge coking coal royalties from the Australian Kestrel mine - paying for the Canadian cobalt stream.

Was personally hoping for slightly more revenues but obviously volumes must have fallen at Kestrel - perhaps not surprising given £RIO   and £BHP   reporting last week.

But the transition seems to be working and is in fact ahead of plan - Q2 revenue looks like it could essentially pay off the remaining debt - leaving expansion and increased dividend possibilities.

Phil

(I hold)

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Sorry to be a neg this morning but I would have thought Ig Design (LON:IGR) revenues are likely to suffer from the COL increases with far less, if any disposable income available from the average end purchaser in this sector for some of their product mix, let alone 'celebration'.  Only time will tell but we can't even guess at the impact of the upcoming huge spending on armaments globally which must surely be funded at the expense of us consumers down the line, plus the cost of energy and a lot more.  Of course a company with canny management can adapt to global and sector headwinds so we will see but IMHO it has to be added to the bear case.

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Hi Chriskay,

Sorry to be a neg this morning...

Please don't ever apologise for posting negative comments, we want to hear all views. I was stung by recent criticism from one of our members, who said they felt unable to challenge popular shares here. We mustn't fall into the trap of becoming an echo chamber for positive opinions only, which reinforce our own, and shouting down contrary opinions (as long as they're sensibly put across).

Equally, it's not much use for bears to stay silent when a share is doing well, then gleefully tell us what a rubbish company it is, once the shares have dropped 75%+!

Going back to Ig Design (LON:IGR) it's interesting that the company says demand is still strong, which is retailers putting in their orders for Xmas 2022 remember. So that tends to give some comfort that at least the retailers expect consumer demand for Xmas to be robust.

It also begs the question as to which products consumers are likely to spend less on. Some families might decide to scale back Xmas spending, whereas others might see it as essential to have a proper celebration.

Consumers are not a single entity either. It seems to me that middle class households, and working people generally, should do OK, because incomes are rising rapidly. Inflation might go a bit ahead, but with 6.5% minimum wage just implemented, and people above that level demanding that their differential is maintained, then I reckon average wages are likely to accelerate further.

Also, people can adjust their own personal inflation rate, e.g. with product substitution.  I visited a Lidl recently, and was amazed at how much cheaper it is than Sainsburys. With little difference in product quality, subjectively. People can buy chicken instead of steaks, own brand instead of branded high price cleaning products, etc.

Plus we're going to reach the annualised point where supply chain problems & shipping costs got really bad, this autumn, which is likely to put some negative inflationary effects into the mix. Probably outweighed by new inflationary effects, but who knows how it all pans out?

Therefore, I reckon the consumers that are likely to be hurt the most, are the poorest. Because they spend proportionately more on food & energy. Plus the state pension & other benefits have only been upped by 3.1%, which is a joke, and means a big real terms loss of spending power.

That's why I think the middle & upper end markets in say retailing & hospitality could end up doing fine, as their customers are probably not going to see much disposable income squeezed, and in any case have lockdown savings, and don't live hand to mouth. For example, pensioners affluent enough to afford a Saga (LON:SAGA) (I hold) cruise, won't be worrying particularly about the 'leccie bill, as they have substantial savings and a good income, and no mortgage.

It will certainly be interesting to see how this all pans out. I wonder if there are any studies on how consumers react to a fall in disposable income? It's all very well us guessing, but finding some facts on what's happened previously would be better.

Best wishes, Paul.

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Thank you for taking the time to post such a well considered reply re Ig Design (LON:IGR) Paul. We will just have to wait and see if unprecedented economic events hit consumer spending and if so where and how.  I definitely agree it will not impact evenly.  Best regards as always. 

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Thanks Chris.

I've just been reading interim results from Wh Smith (LON:SMWH) - too big for here as it's a mid cap, but I'm interested in hearing what bigger companies are saying about inflation, so a CTRL+F search for "inflation" is a good idea if we don't have time to read the whole thing, or "supply chain".

WHSmith says today -

Given our low ticket-value categories and strong supplier relationships, we are managing the impact of current inflationary pressures.

I thought that was quite interesting. Maybe people might cut back on big ticket items more than small items?

Best wishes, Paul.

P.S. I see Persimmon (LON:PSN) says today that it's trading in line, and "demand remains strong", with private sales +2% year on year. Re inflation it says -

"We expect our industry-leading margins to remain resilient, with good levels of price growth currently mitigating the impact of build cost inflation."

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Re Ig Design (LON:IGR) it could be a mistake to extrapolate  from our economic woes here to the rest of the world.  Approx three quarters of IGR turnover is in the Americas and they operate in 80 countries in total. I'm not sure the average US consumer is going to need to cut back as much on gift wrap or ribbons.

I have a small holding really just to keep an eye on it but realise half-full glasses are in short supply here at the moment

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I hadnt realised how quickly this would rise.  Finances squeezed in all directions.

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What a weird morning .

CEO resignation at Tandem is strange.  

I know bicycle and leisure industry is brutal right now and mountains of stock that was ordered on super long leadtimes 12-18 months ago is now landing into what has become a weak market .

So margins will drop and inventories will rise . Last week one of the UK major wholesalers  confirmed this and for the first time in 2 years they were sending our big clearance lists . 

But tandem have cash and hardly resignation issue .

Admittedly Tandem under Shears have been a bit rubbish on a 20 year timescale and failed to embrace B2B  and whilst the rest of the industry did incredibly well tandem was  the tortoise of the industry .

I would think they will also have a massive overspend on construction costs on their new warehouse development  to give a short term blip south .

All in all I would summise 

- long term for the better he was a steady Eddie CEO who has not done a good job for shareholders (did a good job for himself of course ) 

- short term could be some pain as there may be more to come  as something has caused the resignation 

If the bike and leisure industry is back to where it was pre covid  share price looks about right  but hard to see Tandem flying in this market .

I reduced sone of my holding few months ago but will continue to hold long term as it’s a solid set up, with cash and they now have an opportunity to get a dynamic CEO who could do great things .

All to play for .







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Really useful insights on Tandem (LON:TND) (I hold) planetx - most appreciated. 

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'CEO has not done a good job for shareholders'. Yes but does hold over 5% of the shares, so had skin in the game (Stocko list him as JC and Jim Shears}

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I had a good look into  Tandem (LON:TND  some time back after the business was well rated and apparently deemed  good value on here and elsewhere.

The reason I didn't buy in was concerns over the CEO ( although I really liked his right hand commercial guy). Nothing personal at all but it always worries me when the head bean counter steps into the top job of an entrepreneurial business. 

Seems to me that risk, flair and entrepreneurship are drilled out of many of us accountants during our training and formative years at work . And we also do not have a deep rooted understanding of the product, markets and customers , no matter how long we have been working in their  finance department. And thats before we even get onto leadership and people skills etc.

I can sympathise with both the guy and the company. I once stepped up to the top job in a 500 people manufacturing business having been FD for five years. Absolutely hated every minute of it and packed it in after two years, even though I was earning more money than I knew what to do with.  I realised I didn't have the skill set, knowledge or indeed excitement in the product and customers . And that I took the job purely for ego reasons. 

Maybe the same has happened here. In which case, in the medium and long term, it will be a good thing both for the business and the guy.



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Sorry typo on B2B , should be B2C . 

Regarding the % of Tandem that the outgoing CEO owns,  Id be pretty confident these are not skin in the game shares bought like the rest of us with cold hard cash but vested low value options and incentives awarded by management to themselves for the incredible job they are doing. 

Admittedly this is my "bete noir" and I truly dislike company management that reward themselves with low or zero value options  despite industry under performance. 

Tandem now has an outgoing CEO that has a decent chunk of shares that he has been awarded by renumeration committee.

As for having an FD become CEO,  Sir Hugh Facey of Gripple once told me "umpires are there to keep the scores not score the runs".


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Re Tandem (LON:TND), they presented on Monday at Mello - not the CEO admittedly, but the Commercial and Financial guys, and they seemed to be relatively positive. 

They were particularly positive about the move to go under one roof.  They seemed quite positive about their strategic aproach to the various product groups and customer groups too.

No mention of significant overspend on the building that I can remember.  Any thoughts from anyone else who listened in to the Mello presentation?  I will receive it soon from Mello and will go through it again.

As you say, pretty abrupt departure and not very gracious. 

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Positive half-yearly report from AB Dynamics (LON:ABDP). Provides testing equipment for most of the world's leading car makers. New CEO has attracted some criticism (high pay contrasting with indifferent financial performance). But perhaps finally coming good? Proportion of recurring revenue up significantly - reducing reliance on on-off sales of large equipment. One reason I hold this stock is for exposure to the "car revolution"; I am expecting that the shift to EV and driverless will increase the amount of testing required. Good institutional shareholder base including IHT funds. 

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"With hindsight, that was a flaw in the business model which we didn’t spot."

Easy to miss when one of their own directors bought near the top with £40k in August '21.

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Morning shamusj,

Re Ig Design (LON:IGR) you said -

"Easy to miss when one of their own directors bought near the top with £40k in August '21."

Checking the Stockopedia page for Director buys/sells (on the "Accounts" tab on every company's StockReport), shows that there were massive Director sells at IGR, with 3 Directors selling almost their entire stakes. With hindsight, that was a major sell signal.

So I think we have to be very careful when we see major Director selling, whatever the reasons given (especially the deceitful "selling due to institutional demand")!

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Ig Design (LON:IGR) (I hold)

Hi Paul

Thanks for the £IGR write-up this morning. 

I completely agree with your concerns around funding requirements and see it as the biggest risk. 

Given the long lead times and the assumption that shipping contracts will be booked out in advance this year, my hope is that financing shouldn't be an issue and that, in theory, profitability should bounce back in due course too if many costs are known well in advance.

I think the point on director sales is a bit unfair though. The last big sale was December 2020, a time when many of our portfolios bounced back strongly. If I were in the CFOs shoes I'm sure I would consider selling a large chunk of my holding in the face of all the uncertainty.

I think it's also worth adding that it was well over a year after the last big director sale before the first profit-warning came through.

The incoming CFO has purchased some shares already, large enough for it not to be a gesture at this stage. Fingers crossed more directors start buying soon. 

I bought a position last month and look forward to more clarity when the full year results come out.

A

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There is a webinar today at 12pm with Capita (LON:CPI) Director of IR Stuart Morgan.

Capita is undergoing a transformation under the leadership of Jonathan Lewis who was brought in as CEO in December 2017. Stuart will provide an introduction to Capita and update on performance. Make up your own mind if the FY results on 10/3 showed the transformation is on the final lap

Register here: https://us02web.zoom.us/webina...

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350m market cap means it fits in the SCVR

~900m net debt (from the SR - really that much?) means it is cheap for a reason 

Sold off the loss making parts - and any other bits that are not 'core'

Would be interested to see how they intend to _make_ money. 

Think they noticed that they have an awful lot of IT staff and other consultancies manage to charge them out at much higher rates - but the question is how.

With the right change this could be a nicely profitable Co, but things have not been working too well since ~18 (or before)

Thanks will watch

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My morning smallcap tweet: Watching the clowns driving their vehicle over shareholders.
Chill Brands (LON:CHLL) Supply @ME Capital (LON:SYME) Tandem (LON:TND) £IRG Shearwater (LON:SWG) Loopup (LON:LOOP) Metro Bank (LON:MTRO) Simec Atlantis Energy (LON:SAE) System1 (LON:SYS1) Sportech (LON:SPO) Alfa Financial Software Holdings (LON:ALFA) Rps (LON:RPS) Ted Baker (LON:TED) Inspecs (LON:SPEC) Nichols (LON:NICL) 4basebio (LON:4BB), Pendragon (LON:PDG), Image Scan Holdings (LON:IGE)
◄Chill Brands (CHLL)► [last night] raises £0.6m at 2p, a 64% discount with attached £2.9m in converts (at 2p strike). It "will provide sufficient working capital for the current financial year". [SP=4.88 Cap=11m]
◄Supply @ME Capital (SYME)► £7.5m max equity (+warrants) instalment plan at 0.05p (39% discount) initially or lower of 0.05p / 15% discount to prevailing. Delays FY21 report to end Apr, I guess to get a going concern stmt through. [SP=NA Cap=NA]. I'm short.
◄Tandem (TND)► CEO gets on his bike, rides out 6 May. He is not thanked. [SP=393 Cap=21m]
◄IG Design (IRG)► guides FY(Mar) rev up 10%. Op margin 0.5% giving operating profit marginally ahead of guidance. Small adj pretax loss but EPS significantly below market expectations due to lower than expected future earnings in the USA leading to a non-cash one-time reversal of deferred tax assets. Expects marginal operating profit improvement in FY23. [SP=NA Cap=NA]
◄Shearwater (SWG)► guides FY(Mar) rev up c.12% and adj EBITDA over £4.2m, both ahead of market expectations. Cites a mix of strong renewals from long term clients in addition to a number of significant new contract wins in the Group's Services division. [SP=132.5 Cap=32m]
◄LoopUp (LOOP)► 2 year contract from Telefonica worth €200k. Cloud Telephony sales in line. [SP=6.97 Cap=7m]
◄Metro Bank (MTRO)► Q1 sounds in line. [SP=86 Cap=148m]
◄SIMEC Atlantis Energy (SAE)► begs £5m lender to defer June repayment and upcoming interest payment. [SP=2.48 Cap=18m]
◄System1 (SYS1)► guides FY(Mar) rev up 6%, adj pretax £1.1m (£3m). "Profitability was stronger in H1 than H2 as the planned increase in H2 operating costs coincided with a reduction in revenue during the final quarter." Outlook: "Having stepped up our investment in people, partnerships and platform to develop and commercialise our automated marketing predictions last year, we are convinced that it is right to keep those resources and infrastructure in place despite the fall off in revenue performance in the last quarter". [SP=272.99 Cap=35m]
◄Sportech (SPO)► 7p capital distribution, xd 5 May. [SP=33 Cap=33m]
◄Alfa Financial Software (ALFA)► Q1 rev up over 10%. 3p special div xd 5 May. [SP=167.38 Cap=501m]
◄RPS (RPS)► Q1 slightly ahead of the Board's expectations, with 12% growth in Fee Revenue and continued margin improvement. [SP=102 Cap=283m]
◄Ted Baker (TED)► re FSP: receives a number of non-binding takeover proposals. [SP=150 Cap=277m]
◄Inspecs (SPEC)► Q1 rev up 12%, 19% at const FX. In line? [SP=330 Cap=338m]
◄Nichols (NICL)► AGM stmt: UK rev up 11% but international down 16% "as shipment timings were severely impacted towards the end of the quarter by national driver industrial action in Spain. The action has now ended". FY adj pretax expectations in line despite cost pressures. [SP=1361 Cap=496m]
◄4basebio (4BB)► Joint Development Agreement with Heqet Therapeutics focused on the development of a non-viral vector. [SP=501 Cap=62m]
In line: PDG, IGE
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Love the clowns analogy, Mr C

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....and the CEO of Tandem (LON:TND) getting on his bike without any thanks.  I hold but have no idea what difference this will make.  With no thanks hopefully the next incumbent will do better?  Oops the SP does not like this so maybe it is a loss. 20 years in the role is a jolly long time.

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Shearwater (LON:SWG) decent update this morning. Good cash pile, and new contracts in the bag should make for a positive year ahead


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Shearwater (LON:SWG)

This company probably takes the biscuit with regard to opaque levels of transparency - they alwasy seem to big themselves upo without ever delivering. Note thats in the past obviously its good news for holders taht today they are ahead of where they expected to be "yesterday"

The facts of the blue and blue (aka black and white) matter is that stockopedia has being detailing lowerering earnings expectations for 2022 and 2023 all year. I seem to remember similar may have happened last year. It really does take the biscuit if the company starts the year with a certain level of expctations ref earnings - never really clearly outlines what the expectations are and they don't  hit those expectations but still end up ahead of expectations - presumably thats 3 years in a row they have beat the  last expectations for the year - but not the starting expectations and yet they are doing great business. Its all helped by such little detail my above assumptions might be wrong if stocky gets stuck with old broker notes. Anyway i await the bottom line profit number that will show up in the accounts and i suspect i will be underwhelmed by what the buisness is delivering bearing in mind how much they spent buying that business. Perhaps the future is nice and bright perhaps it is opaque.

I also note they have £1.7 mill less at year end than they ahd at the end of last year.

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Very dependent from memory on 2 contracts that make up in excess of 50% of turnover from memory. Losing either of those would be very material.

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Re the Menzies John Menzies (LON:MNZS) takeover, does anyone know if a counter-bid could still come in or whether this is now a completely done deal?

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