Daily Stock Market Report (Wed 6th August 2025) - LGEN, PAY, VID, TCAP, CTA, THG, SWC, WATR
Good morning!
All done for today, thank you.
Spreadsheet accompanying this report: link (last updated: 10th July) (work-in progress).
Companies Reporting
| Name (Mkt Cap) | RNS | Summary | Our view (Author) |
|---|---|---|---|
Glencore (LON:GLEN) (£35.9bn) | Adj EBIT -37% to $1.8bn, net debt +30% to $14.5bn. Stronger copper production in H2 w/ deleveraging. | ||
Coca-Cola Europacific Partners (LON:CCEP) (£33.7bn) | Rev +4.5%, adj op profit +1.8% to €1.4bn. Returned to volume growth in Q2, FY guidance unch. | ||
Legal & General (LON:LGEN) (£15.0bn) | SP -3.5% | AMBER/GREEN (Roland holds) [no section below] Legal General’s share price has trended a little higher since I reviewed the company’s full-year results in March, explaining how I approach this complex, large financial business. Today’s interim results look fine to me, highlighting organic growth in the core bulk annuity (PRT) business and progress in asset management and retail (e.g. annuities and DC pensions). CEO António Simões also highlights recent initiatives to support long-term growth, such as the new partnerships with Blackstone and Meiji Yasuda. It’s too soon to know how successful these will be, but as far as I can see they look like a reasonable way to drive growth, especially internationally. Based on today’s results and guidance, I think the 8.2% dividend yield should remain covered by surplus cash generation this year. I remain positive on L&G as a high-yield investment but have moderated my view by one notch to reflect the more volatile macro environment that’s developed since March. | |
Coca Cola HBC AG (LON:CCH) (£14.3bn) | Organic volume +2.6%, rev +8.6%. EBIT +11.8% to €649.8m. FY to be at top end of guidance. | ||
Hiscox (LON:HSX) (£4.2bn) | Total Written premium +5.7%, PBT -2.4% to $276.6m. NAV +14.6% to $11.13. Further $100m buyback. | ||
Tritax Big Box REIT (LON:BBOX) (£3.5bn) | EPRA NTAVps +1.4% to 188.2p, contracted rent roll -0.7% to £311.3m. Adj EPS +4.6% to 4.29p. | ||
TP Icap (LON:TCAP) (£2.3bn) | Rev +9%, adj PBT +4% to £167m. Benefited from market volatility. Further £30m buyback. | GREEN (Roland holds) Today’s results appear to be slightly below some analysts’ forecasts and do not include any update on the hoped-for IPO of the group’s Parameta Solutions data unit. However, TP ICAP’s core broking division remains a market leader and performed well in H1. The prospect of continued market volatility should be supportive. A strong balance sheet, P/E of 9 and 6% dividend yield suggest to me that there’s still plenty of value here, despite some niggles. I’ve decided to leave our positive view unchanged, reflecting the company’s Super Stock styling. | |
Quilter (LON:QLT) (£2.3bn) | Net inflows of £4.3bn (7% opening AuMA). Adj PBT +3% to £100m. H2 adj profit to be “broadly” level. | ||
Oxford Nanopore Technologies (LON:ONT) (£2.1bn) | ONT alleges four patent infringements relating to “Cyclone SEQ WT-02” gene sequencer. | ||
Smithson Investment Trust (LON:SSON) (£1.71bn) | NAVps +6.4% to 1,670p. NAV total return 2.4 vs -0.3% for benchmark. Sales included Fevertree Drinks. | ||
Sirius Real Estate (LON:SRE) (£1.57bn) | Purchased parks in Dresden (€23.4m) and Bedford (£16.1m). Both w/ net initial yields above 9%. | ||
Lancashire Holdings (LON:LRE) (£1.5bn) | GWP +5.8%, PBT -46% to $109.2m. Outlook: FY25 ROE “high-teens” (prev. mid-teens) | ||
Telecom Plus (LON:TEP) (£1.5bn) | Acq further c.120k TalkTalk customers. Confident can add value. FY26 guidance reiterated. | ||
| 4imprint (LON:FOUR) (£1.0bn) | Half-Year Report | PBT +1% to $74m. Orders -2.9% to 1,054k, avg order values flat. FY within current range of exps. | |
Vesuvius (LON:VSVS) (£881m) | PW? H1 results “broadly in line”. Rev -0.4%, uPBT -21.4% to £56m. H2 now to be similar to H1. | ||
Metro Bank Holdings (LON:MTRO) (£843m) | Adj PBT +252% to £45.1m. NIM 2.87% (H2 24: 2.22%). NTAVps 161p. FY guidance unch. | ||
Georgia Capital (LON:CGEO) (£806m) | NAVps +17.7% to GEL125.63 (33.6p). EBITDA +21.2% to GEL87.3m. New $50m buyback. | ||
Impax Environmental Markets (LON:IEM) (£802m) | NAVps -3.5% to 412.6p. NAV total return -3% vs benchmark MSCI AC World Index +0.6%. | ||
Target Healthcare Reit (LON:THRL) (£617m) | EPRA NTAVps +1.6% to 114.8p. LTV 21.8%, topped up net initial yield 6.2%, covering dividend. | ||
Ibstock (LON:IBST) (£582m) | Rev +8.6%, PBT -34.5% to £8m. Vol growth in H1, further expected H2. FY adj EBITDA exps unch. | ||
Smarter Web (OFEX:SWC) (£531m) | Launched $21m 1y convertible bond denominated in Bitcoin. Conversion price 204.75p. SWC can force conversion if its equity trades 50% above conversion price for 10 days. Principal value is denominated in bitcoin, i.e. the amount repayable at maturity in GBP will fluctuate with the bitcoin price. A higher bitcoin price means a higher repayment amount and vice versa. | RED (Graham) [no section below] Another fascinating development at Smarter Web. This actually seems like a smart move by SWC, as the lender will be taking on a great deal of Bitcoin price risk. If I understand it correctly, SWC has effectively created a short Bitcoin position with this instrument, which will serve to hedge its current Bitcoin exposure. So I do like this deal. Of course I am still RED on the stock due to the extraordinary premium at which it trades to the Bitcoin it actually owns. The company continues to fill its boots with investor money in fundraise after fundraise, which is the rational thing to do. I just hope that when the dust has settled, nobody has lost money they can't afford to lose! | |
PayPoint (LON:PAY) (£516m) | Encouraging start. Progress towards £100m EBITDA target in current year. Q1 rev +7.5%. Panmure Liberum estimates unchanged. | AMBER/GREEN (Graham) This is a 2025 watchlist stock for me, and my instincts are to be GREEN on it. However, I accept the points made by Roland in his recent coverage (see here) and am comfortable enough with AMBER/GREEN. | |
THG (LON:THG) (£442m) | Agreement to divest Claremont Ingredients for £103m. TU: H1 revenue in line, EBITDA £24m (H1 2024 £37m). H2 Group adjusted EBITDA to be c. £50m. | AMBER/RED (Graham) [no section below] I’m going to upgrade this by one notch as I agree with their strategy to get to a neutral net cash/net debt position, and today's news shows that they are making some serious moves in that direction. THG has been racking up losses for years and I’ve feared that it has been heading for disaster, but their new approach could potentially get them onto solid ground. Today’s disposal is very impressive, as they are selling this Claremont business (originally bought for £52m) at a multiple of 7x last year’s sales. I’m still negative on THG overall, but will look forward to updating my view when we get a proper look at the H1 results in September. Who knows - if the leverage multiple can reduce and there are signs of losses being stemmed, perhaps I can get to a neutral stance on this stock some day! The historic numbers here are truly awful. | |
Metals Exploration (LON:MTL) (£390m) | Exploration licence over Dupax area in Philippines. IP surveying underway. | ||
Ferrexpo (LON:FXPO) (£272m) | Q2 production -40% (Ukraine VAT decision). Challenging outlook. Continuing at reduced levels.. | ||
CLS Holdings (LON:CLI) (£258m) | Letting at “Office Connect” in Cologne to leading supplier of crop protection products. | ||
Tullow Oil (LON:TLW) (£209m) | Significant progress. Full year free cash flow guidance adjusted to $300m. Net debt guidance $1.1bn. | ||
abrdn European Logistics Income (LON:ASLI) (£196m) | Warehouse disposal for €27.2m, 2.5% discount to Q1 2025 valuation. 10 remaining assets; 3 disposals to complete in Q4. | ||
Aptitude Software (LON:APTD) (£159m) | Adj. op profit +17% (£4.9m). As noted in July, rev to be dampened. Confident in delivering profit exps. | ||
Videndum (LON:VID) (£110m) | SP -37% Rev -25%. Adj. operating loss £7m. Net debt £138m, material uncertainty. Cost savings target for 2025 of c. £15m remains on-track. Deterioration in FY25 visibility. With respect to the RCF: “As part of the Amended Covenants, existing RCF lenders have a right to exert more influence over the Group, including in the extreme, triggering an event of default and enforcing security over the business, should the Group fail to complete a refinance or reach agreement with all of its lenders on an alternative deleveraging plan by October 2025.” | BLACK (RED) (Graham) [no section below] We’ve been consistently red on this due to the very weak balance sheet and risk of dilution, along with poor trading. Today’s interim results offer no comfort and also no visibility. Their £150m RCF has been through various covenant waivers/amendments, and Videndum have been “actively seeking to fully or partially” refinance it since April. Ominously, the company says there is a “low probability” of this happening before the October deadline. Lenders may determine the outcome but it seems to me that a substantial equity refinancing is needed. | |
Jubilee Metals (LON:JLP) (£94m) | CEO: significant progress across Zambia portfolio. Building a robust and stable copper production profile. | ||
Water Intelligence (LON:WATR) (£52m) | Acquires ALD franchise in Georgia for $350k initially. Will top this up to 4x TTM profits in Aug 2027. | AMBER/GREEN (Graham) [no section below] A small deal and in principle I always think it means that something has gone wrong, if a company feels it needs to reacquiring its franchise. However, WATR has a reacquisition strategy which has involved buying back a number of franchises, and then using its greater control over them to push them towards faster growth. WATR also uses this strategy to reconfigure franchise territories - even splitting up undeveloped areas and selling them separately, which is what it intends to do in South Atlanta. This stock's share price has gone nowhere for a long time and this is about as cheap as I remember it trading in P/E multiple terms. Worth another look here? | |
MTI Wireless Edge (LON:MWE) (£41m) | Three defence contracts worth $1.4m; this subsidiary’s revenue is now ahead of internal budgets. | (GN) Does not explicitly say that MWE’s revenue is now ahead of budget. | |
CT Automotive (LON:CTA) (£24m) | On track to meet FY25 exps for revenue and profitability. H1 revenue $54.2m (H1 24: $60.2m) with the fall due to customer program timings and inventory rundown. Gross margins improved in H1 and inventory positions are expected to normalise in H2. | AMBER/GREEN (Roland) [no section below] We don’t seem to have covered this car parts manufacturer since May 2024, when Graham was AMBER/GREEN and reported much-improved financials. Today’s update suggests progress is continuing with improved gross margins and recent contract wins worth $37m in total. CTA’s facility in Mexico also seems to have left it well-positioned to handle changing OEM requirements resulting from US tariffs. The 2024 results showed improved profitability and good underlying cash generation, with debt maintained at a comfortable level. Given that today’s H1 25 update has reiterated 2025 revenue and profit guidance, I’d argue the shares continue to look good value on a P/E of 3 and at 1.2x NAV. There are obviously some cyclical and geopolitical risks here, but I’m quite comfortable leaving Graham’s moderately positive view unchanged. | |
Team (LON:TEAM) (£24m) | The new fund is a gateway to TEAM’s managed portfolio services (MPS) range. | ||
Zenith Energy (LON:ZEN) (£17m) | Will have 10MWp capacity. Ready-to-build status within 12 months. Consideration €1.3m. | ||
Mast Energy Developments (LON:MAST) (£10m) | Heads of terms to develop, construct and operate AI datacentre power supply solutions. | ||
ImmuPharma (LON:IMM) (£10m) | Significant scientific progress but still zero revenues, loss of £1.8m, and cash balance of £0.4m. |
Graham's Section
PayPoint (LON:PAY)
Up 2% to 755p (£527m) - Trading Update - Graham - AMBER/GREEN
Roland has been AMBER/GREEN on this one in recent months. I tend to be very positive on it, as I’ve been a fan of this company for many years, so let’s see if today’s update might allow an upgrade.
The opening salvo from CEO Nick Wiles:
“As we indicated at our full year results in June 2025, the Group has had an encouraging start to the current financial year. We remain confident in our operational plans, continued progress towards the delivery of our £100m EBITDA target in the current year and our longer-term growth targets for the next three years to the end of FY28.
He outlines various growth initiatives in Parcels, Open Banking and Digital Payments, in Local Banking, and in Community Services for Retailers. This is truly a multi-pronged business and while it has always been a fair criticism that parts of the business are ex-growth or even shrinking, at the same time, there have always been parts of it that are more inspiring.
On the economy:
In the meantime, against the background of a generally weak economy, there continues to be consumer uncertainty and cautious behaviour in a number of our markets, which we are actively monitoring and seeking to mitigate, with tight cost discipline and a focus on the strong execution of our growth plans.
While there is some exposure to the consumer, I would view PayPoint’s positioning as quite defensive overall. Its main customers are convenience stores, after all - not a place where the consumer is making too many extravagant or unnecessary purchases.
And then some financial figures at last: Q1 net revenue is up 7.5%
Shopping Division: net revenue +0.6%. Nothing too dramatic except for much higher Business Finance, with £7.4m lent to merchants in Q1, +63% year-on-year.
E-commerce Division: net revenue +20.8%. Strong growth in parcels through Collect+.
Payments & Banking Division: net revenue +4.9%. Two high street banks on track for launch of consumer deposits in H1 FY26. SME deposits in development for launch in H2.
Love2shop division: net revenue +21.7%. Expansion through Sainsbury’s convenience stores. PayPoint has been an excellent owner of this business so far. Even Park Christmas Savings is still growing, average saver value up 3.5%.
Net debt is £109.6m (March 2025: £97.4m). The final dividend is increased slightly and the £30m buyback is ongoing. The company wants dividend cover to improve to 2x and a leverage multiple of 1.2-1.5x.
Estimates are unchanged at Panmure Liberum. Adjusted EPS is forecast at 75.7p this year (FY March 2026), rising to 90p the following year.
Graham’s view
Roland looked at the company’s full-year results in June and noted that the profit figure wasn’t very clean. I tend to agree that the amount of adjustments was disappointing.
I’ll be anxious to see an improvement on that front this year.
I do think that the company’s planned dividend cover (2x) and leverage multiple (1.2-1.5x) are fairly reasonable, although personally I’d prefer to see leverage of 1x or less, giving themselves more flexibility for acquisitions (seeing as Love2Shop was so successful). But the leverage multiple they are targeting is fine, in my view.
Of course it will make some people nervous to see PayPoint buying back their own shares while they have over £100m of net debt, and for good reason - the company can’t be accused of running an “inefficient” balance sheet, that’s for sure!
PayPoint is on my 2025 watchlist and I do think it’s worthy of further research at this valuation:
In StockRank terms it's a High Flyer - it’s interesting that the StockRanks give it high quality and high momentum, but don’t see it offering much value!
Given the unclean profit figures and the slightly aggressive debt position, I’m comfortable leaving this on AMBER/GREEN for now, although my instinct, as usual, is to have this on GREEN!
Roland's Section
TP Icap (LON:TCAP)
Down 9% to 278p (£2.1bn) - Half-Year Report - Roland - GREEN
(At the time of publication, Roland has a long position in TCAP.)
This interdealer broker group is a member of both Ed’s current NAPS portfolio and my current SIF folio. The shares are also highly rated by the Stocko algorithms, with Super Stock styling and a high StockRank:
Today’s results flag up record growth, but have received a cool reception from the market.
The headline figures show that TP ICAP benefited from volatile markets during Q2 and do not seem to suggest any obvious cause for disappointment:
Revenue up 9% to £1,224m (at constant currency)
Adjusted pre-tax profit up 4% to £167m
Reported pre-tax profit up 3% to £123m
Adjusted EPS up 9% to 17.6p
Interim dividend up 8% to 5.2p
Further £50m share buyback
Net cash: £867m (Dec ‘24: £1,066m)
While the performance of this business is always dependent on market conditions, adjusted earnings of 17.6p seem comfortably in line with the 32.1p consensus figure for the full year.
So why are TP ICAP shares falling today? I think there are a couple of possible reasons.
Profit miss? According to Reuters, TP ICAP’s adjusted EBIT of £184m fell below at least one analyst’s forecast for a figure of £189m. We don’t have access to detailed half-year forecasts, but a c.2% miss on H1 figures doesn’t seem that significant to me.
Parameta spinout: perhaps a more tangible disappointment is that the company is continuing to push back the planned US IPO of its OTC (Over-The-Counter) data unit, Parameta Solutions. This had originally been expected in Q2, but this plan was postponed in May due to “market volatility”.
Today’s update is non-committal:
The Board continues to keep under review the appropriate timing for any potential minority listing in the US. As previously reported, in the event of a minority listing, we would expect to return most of the proceeds to TP ICAP shareholders.
It’s easy to blame market conditions for the delay, but I wonder if one problem might be that Parameta’s growth has slowed. This could potentially make it harder to achieve the >£1bn valuation estimate suggested by some analysts.
According to management, Parameta has an estimated 70% share of the OTC interdealer broker data market. It’s a high margin business with 98% of revenue subscription-based, but top-line growth has become sluggish and profits actually fell in H1 – not ideal ahead of an IPO:
The company says Parameta is seeing longer sales cycles at the moment and is investing in talent and product innovation. Price increases planned for this year are said to have been “moderated to support sustainable growth”.
I am not familiar with the market for OTC data, but I wonder if competition is growing or if Parameta’s market share might be reaching a natural limit.
Divisional summary
Moving on, most of the company’s core broking and trading venue operations seem to have performed well in H1, as I’d expect given the increased level of market volatility:
Global broking: revenue rose by 12% to £712m, lifting adjusted EBIT by 19% to £131m (18.4% margin). Revenue per broker rose by 11% and the company reported double-digit growth in Rates, Equities and Credit.
Energy & Commodities: revenue fell by 2% to £238m with adjusted EBIT down 18% to £27m (11.3% margin). This decline is relative to a record performance in H1 2024, but still seems a little disappointing given the volatility in markets such as oil and gas this year.
Management reports a “highly competitive broker market” and says the business is “investing in broker talent”. Overall, this seems a little disappointing to me, perhaps suggesting TP ICAP’s position in the energy and commodity sectors isn’t as strong as in its core global broking markets.
Liquidnet: this is a trading venue for institutional investors, dealing in equities and some other asset classes. Revenue rose by 15% to £195m supporting a 38% increase in adjusted EBIT to £33m (16.9% margin).
Outlook
The company’s outlook statement highlights the link between market conditions and operating profit. This is a business that benefits from volatility:
Our outlook is largely subject to macroeconomic events which impact market conditions, and therefore levels of trading in the OTC market. Ongoing geopolitical tensions, including uncertainty surrounding global trade policies, inflation, as well as future interest rate movements, should continue to drive volatility that will broadly support our business in the second half for 2025.
Another factor that could affect the year-end result is the group’s USD exposure – 60% of revenue and 40% of costs. However, subject to FX movements, “the board remains comfortable with current 2025 market expectations for adjusted EBIT”
According to the consensus forecasts provided on TP ICAP’s website, 2025 adjusted EBIT is expected to be within a range of £340-354m, with a consensus of £347m.
This suggests adjusted EBIT of perhaps £163m in H2, lower than the £184m reported today. So forecasts already seem to be pricing in a weaker H2.
Assuming consensus EPS estimates are unchanged, this leaves TP ICAP trading on a FY25E P/E of 9 after this morning’s drop, with a 6% dividend yield.
Note: Legal liabilities
In the comments today, some subscribers have flagged up the laundry list of ongoing legal cases where various TP ICAP subsidiaries are defending themselves against various allegations.
These are buried in the accounting footnotes, but may be worth reading for shareholders or interested investors. Many of these cases seem to have been rumbling on for years, in some cases relating to events that took place nearly 20 years ago. Some are covered by indemnities.
In many cases the management commentary concludes with a statement that the level of uncertainty involved means that it is not yet possible to estimate the potential financial impact.
Naturally, I don’t have any insight into these issues. As far as I can see, there is some risk the company could end up with some costly settlements, but I’ve no idea how likely this is, or when it might happen.
One point I would make is that these issues aren’t new. As far as I can see, the list is very similar to that included in last year’s full-year results, with the exception of one regulatory issue that’s been closed with no action taken against the group.
This could come back to haunt me – but at the risk of sounding naive, I am not too concerned about these liabilities. Personally, I don’t see them as a deciding factor in this investment.
Roland’s view
TP ICAP has been a strong performer this year:
I’m encouraged by today’s results, although one point I would make is that profit adjustments are quite extensive in TP ICAP’s accounts.
While the group’s adjusted operating margin of 15% seems quite healthy, the reported operating margin for H1 was just 11.4%, implying a trailing 12-month return on equity of 12.5% – not that exciting.
The market reaction to today’s results may also be worth a pause for thought – will City analysts tweak their estimates down? I’ll be watching consensus estimates in the coming days to see if they change.
Niggles aside, I think that TP ICAP’s core business remains market leading and potentially attractive as an investment, with natural hedging qualities against market volatility.
The group’s cash-rich balance sheet is also an attraction for me, especially as guidance today suggests the business could generate “in excess of £200m in surplus cash” across the next two years. As I understand it, this could be available for further buybacks (in addition to the dividend).
I’m going to stick my neck out and maintain Graham’s previous GREEN view today, as I think there is still plenty of value here, with the potential catalyst of a Parameta IPO at some point.
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Comprehensive & honest write up on both PayPoint (LON:PAY) and TP Icap (LON:TCAP) Thank you. I like the way you’ve alternated reviewing these companies to give a second opinion and critique the previous review. It’s what I pay the subscription for.
Cheers Revs8!
Bad news for building and construction related stocks of which I hold a few - from today's Times
"Building in the UK has fallen at the fastest pace since the early days of the Covid-19 pandemic when the housing market was briefly frozen, a closely watched survey published on Wednesday showed.The S&P Global purchasing managers’ index (PMI) for the construction sector slid to 44.3 in July from 48.8 in the previous month, the lowest reading since May 2020. Analysts had expected an unchanged reading. Any figure below 50 signals the sector contracted.The worse-than-expected data suggested that the UK economy had “lost momentum”, according to Matt Swannell, chief economic advisor to the EY ITEM Club. Official estimates show that GDP contracted by 0.3 per cent and 0.1 per cent in April and May respectively.
The sharp downturn in building was driven by a renewed decline in residential housing construction in July, despite a series of interest rate cuts by the Bank of England which has taken the base rate down to 4.25 per cent from a peak of 5.25 per cent. The central bank is expected to lower the base rate again on Thursday by a quarter of a percentage point.The reading will be a blow to the government’s housebuilding ambitions. Labour has pushed through reforms to the planning system, such as expanding the pool of land available for construction projects, in an effort to build 1.5 million homes between 2024 and 2029, a move that could lift output in the sector.Civil engineering work and commercial construction also suffered steep declines in July. Across the sector, employment fell for the seventh month in a row, which was partly attributed to companies scaling down their costs in response to the £25 billion rise in employers’ national insurance contributions. New business also fell for the seventh straight month.Joe Hayes, principal economist at S&P Global Market Intelligence, said: “Forward-looking indicators from the survey imply that UK constructors are preparing for challenging times ahead. They’re buying less materials and reducing the number of workers on the payroll.”Gareth Belsham, director of Bloom Building Consultancy, said: “There’s no sugarcoating it — this data will be tough to swallow for almost everyone in construction.”
Yet another broken Labour promise.
Legal & General (LON:LGEN) - strategy reset seems to be working well under the new CEO. My main concern here is the negative investment variances every 6 months which, along with share buy-backs, are taking the net equity down to almost zero. You can add back the CSM reserve, for solvency and adjusted equity purposes, but unadjusted equity will be negative quite soon. I wonder if its generally related to higher interest rates and might go the other way if interest rates drop in a recession. I've never really got to the bottom of this. Anyone else have a better view please? If this isn't adjusted then profitability and dividend potential is roughly halved. Still have a c1% portfolio position in this.
On a separate note on Legal & General (LON:LGEN) - but this is more about all the bulk annuity players in the market (eg Phoenix group (LON:PHNX) as well)....
Its been a rapidly growing market in the UK, as higher interest rates have meant more DB pension schemes are now in surplus, and thus corporates have this window of opportunity to offload them.
LGEN and Phoenix and the rest have done well in the last few years here. But the competition is also heating up - lots of new entrants to the market in the past year or so.
For me - this introduces a major potential risk going forwards. Doing a BPA is swelling the balance sheets of LGEN. Yes, in theory its taking on liabilities AND assets, and at this point, they somewhat match. LGEN would also be building in some buffer/margin to the price it offers to do the buy-out.
However, with the increased competition for BPAs, one can imagine that deal teams within LGEN and other players are being pressured to be keener on pricing to win the deal. As that margin gets smaller and smaller, there's an increased risk that the buyout becomes unprofitable. And because these are quite large amounts of liability that is being taken on, getting it wrong can be quite catastrophic. Especially the liability side of the balance sheet swells, with very little equity buffer to absorb losses.
The short TL;DR is that I wouldn't be surprised if some of the BPA players in the market, in 3-10 years time, run into major difficulties because of under-pricing to win the deals.
BPAs are a complex subject and whilst I agree there is more and more competition out there - I believe you will often find that the firms buying BPA are more interested in getting out than anything else - especially when they want a 'clean' balance sheet and esp. when preparing to sell the firm. So the likes of LGEN can insist on a high price with plenty of margin (for them) to take over the liabs
What concerns me about LGEN is that looking at broker forecasts its not as positive as a year or so ago.
Legal & General (LON:LGEN)
I have held legal and geenral fora few years now - ok i have had the dividend , but every time i look at the updates its likle yada yad yada yada - we are doing great.
and yet the sharepirc has gone sidways - ok i have done fine with the chunky dividends but i get the impression the update are simply full of positive stuff and the nasty stuff is just glossed over.
I remember when i bought it seemed a much better play that Aviva - i sold out of which i alos bought at the same time Aviva when it started dishing out the cash as i thought it was lacking direction. In hindsight perhaps i exited the wrong buisness - hey ho with shares and we have choic eof 2 we are necer going to sell te right one are we.
What concerns me about LGEN is that looking at broker forecasts its not as positive as a year or so ago.
snap it doesnt look great - but i would have zero faith that the eps numbers actually mean much with their business type. Plus they always seem to predict great future profits and looking at the past 3 years the final numbers per stocky are terrible compared to market cap - does it al just depart the scene at or near year end as final adjust (half your profits are now goine goodbye)
what i probably should see as a red flag is that the book value per has been dropping - all other things being equal that canty be good news can it ? or perhaps they are moving to capital light now.
Hey ho zero confidence and zero understanding isnta great mix - they do shout out about the future profits they have in the bank though - at £12 bill thats not bad - but i am kinda guessing its not likely to be something they can extract value from now . i mean could that be over like 50 years so its perhaps even a nonsense number.
I dont mind holding one or two companies like this just to have some diversity - if it gets amber/green from the powers that be here well at least that suggests i could be in something more risky - but there isnt much that i see that like.
I used to work for a major life insurer Boon I remember one day a new hotshot was employed on millions per annum.
I was in a meeting with him in his early days and he announced he was going to drive bulk purchase annuity sales through the roof , my reply was "er the company we work for has just shut its own final salary scheme down , why would they want to buy other peoples ?" his reply was "firms will pay us loads of cash to take these things off their hands" the result was turnover on buyouts went up four times , fast forward two years and they had lost ten's on millions on the deals and pulled the plug.
To his credit he knew this would happen and he left before the blow up and could put on his cv "I quadrupled turnover at a UK top 100 company" (we'll leave the bit off them losing millions on the deals I brought in off the cv).
I saw many leaders do this during my time there it seemed to be the play was come in , get paid millions, chuck the current process up in the air that worked fine to justify the millions in salary, leave in 18 months - 2 years before the fall out hits.
The other classic I remember was another hotshot decided they would buy an American Insurance company my question meeting him was "last time we bought an American insurance company we paid a billion for it and ended up selling it back to the firm we bought it off for a £1, maybe where better sticking to the UK ?" needless to say America was entered for a second time resulting in a 3 bil loss second time round that led to thousands being made redundant to recoup the losses.
MS International (LON:MSI) just released an AGM statement with a couple of positive hints !
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It was interesting to see the spread go from 1190-1200 to 1190-1250 in a few minutes, although you could deal very marginally inside these numbers!
So although the price has 'risen' 55p if you are a seller you have gained about 5p. They are not daft these MM's.
Positive AGM statement release a few minutes ago from MS International (LON:MSI) . Hook up with Aussie defence company and higher offer for the minor operating subsidiaries but still rejected
Videndum (LON:VID) so many top investors have been buying in recently, including Harwood. CR recently bought in but I am sure he sold yesterday, like he did with Churchill China (LON:CHH) - the day before their recent profit warning.....
What a sh1tshow… long term the business will struggle against AI production and new cheap camera tech anyway. IMHO.
Fair! I really do appreciate your thoughts or else I wouldn't be so keen to get them!
It's also helpful to get a direction on the market / read-acrosses - so even just having BLACK etc is also better than nothing!
I do think we could try to add a few very short early comments, but at the same time we wouldn't sacrifice the summary table to do that - we've received strong feedback that people like to have the overview and brief summaries (rather than just a list of RNS announcements). Always a balancing act! Thanks for the feedback all.
The summary tables are really good, and I hope they continue, even at the expense of delaying the author's view (which I also very much appreciate).
FOUR Revs -1%, Ope profit -1%, operating margin increase. Increase mkt share. Shares down 4% in early trading.
I see a poster here sold on tariff fears, which proved to be a good call.
I bought at 5805p in Aug 2024, so I'm sitting on a hefty loss, as shares are currently 3440p. So I'm down 40%. Ouch.
It's a good quality company though (Q score 97, ROCE 58%) with good growth (Revenues more than doubled over 10 years, EPS likewise). Valuation is reasonable (PE 13.3, div yld 5%).
I hold, and will probably top up later this year. I'm not happy of course, but I find the increase in mkt share and margin encouraging. Bad Orange Man must presumably go away at some point and we can return to more normal-like situations.
I've been cautiously buying 4imprint (LON:FOUR) over the past month or so. It often doesn't pay to buy into shares with a pronounced downtrend. Yet the high quality metric on the company are too much to ignore.
If the only concern is Trumps tariffs, I take the view that the company has scope to absorb some of the extra costs. Alterntatively, how price sensitive are the customers I wonder. Gross profit margins are around 25% which I suppose is good. However t not so great that absorbing all the maximalist tariffs Trump bloviates about would not trash net profits.
So there is risk, but I think it is outweighed by the upside. Also worth bearing in mind that the sort of products 4imprint sells seem fairly low tech and presumably could be sourced fairly quickly from lower tariffed countries.
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9am, Wednesday 6th August
Executive chair and CEO buys £500k worth of shares in Vistry (LON:VTY) .
Shares have treaded water for months. Interims on 10th September. He must be confident!
4imprint (LON:FOUR) surely?
SIMEC Atlantis Energy (LON:SAE) significant news yesterday as it enters contract for AW1 Battery storage project. Any chance of a review..
4imprint (LON:FOUR) half year results released too (not currently on Roland's list). I sold in fear of tariffs but results said to be on target. Might be good value.
4imprint (LON:FOUR) I always find 4imprint needs to be traded between a SP of 3500 and 6500 roughly. i have been burned by this on and made money hence the comment. Adding to this I do actually think its a good company.
Would you guys be able to post some commentary before 8? We used to get it and it’s definitely helpful
It looks like they do not have enough resources to do it. Remember the market coverage is wider now with Paul S and Megan
Agreed but I’d ask if they could prioritise the write ups.
At 8am, I know they’ve done a tonne of writing but all I see is links to TUs and some summaries, which I can get from the platform itself.
I don’t mind if the first take at 7:50 is a little rushed or short. It still adds value vs what I can do myself: take ICAP, I would have guessed it opens up but it’s 5% down.
I think it would be better to cover fewer companies. Because they are very stretched as it stands. Megan is leaving soon.
Better to cover more stocks, there are already quite big gaps on some, if you look at the discussions, you will soon find some that have not been covered for a year or more. I think most large caps coverage, is a waste of time, even if l do hold them.
If l look a new stock, it is good find some Stockopedia coverage, about it.
Why not have the short reviews that we used to have?
To be fair the agenda appears on here long before Paul S posts anything on Substack. I think they are doing an excellent job and these aren’t trading write ups. I’d rather a well thought out view.
I'd prefer reasoned and thought-through commentary rather than knee-jerk first thoughts. I can do the latter myself!
PayPoint (LON:PAY) trading update looks good but has a warning about monitoring a generally weak economy. The SP has pulled back recently.
I like what they do but I don’t currently hold. I am concerned about them increasing debt whilst doing a buyback. What do you think?
Agreed
Increasing debt to pay divi or buy backs is a no no for me. Sold out after results after I had helf for years. Getting cheaper though!!
Buy back in then, Threepeat, and catch two divis inside 2 months. The naysayers have had a down on PayPoint (LON:PAY) for a while now, it is volatile though and what goes down comes up. I think the Stocko Style rating as Balanced cannot be right because of this. I continue to hold.
Hi, I've held it for a while now (med position) and was lucky enough to buy when dividend was ca 7%. I sat on the fence for ages before buying, uncertain as to whether their business model would fall over but they have definitely evolved and look to be a solid company. It isn't going to be a boomer but worth buying at right price, I think, as there is continued growth potential. I topped up today.
TP Icap (LON:TCAP) results look very strong. Another buyback, even at an all-time high. So management must be very confident of the value inherent in the business. Paramata sell-off still on the cards for a big bonus. Pile in. +12%.
A jewel in the crown of the city. Doing extremely well in these volatile markets. Remarkably cheap and that's putting aside potential Paramata bonus!
TP Icap (LON:TCAP) I took a small position mid July and very much appreciate a stocko team review!
I did have a large holding in TP Icap (LON:TCAP) , but got nervous about potential legal claims (see appendix 23), which could be large. You have to read the latter part of the appendix to understand. I sold. Now I'm not so sure, but I note that no provision has been made against a recent substantial lost court case.
Yes, TCAP would clearly have had to make a provision for their liability. However, the liability was acquired with their acquisition of IGBB a business unit of NEX Group plc. TCAP have subsequently sued NEX and reached a confidential settlement. I suspect the liability has thus passed back to NEX.
The Annual Report states that TCAP 'doesn't expect to a material adverse financial impact' . It'll be interesting to see what the next AR says.
In May 2025, a Hamburg court ruled that TP ICAP must reimburse Warburg a potentially multimillion-euro amount, with Warburg demanding €82 million specifically for TP ICAP's role in facilitating short selling linked to these trades. The case stems from transactions occurring roughly between 2007 and 2011. TP ICAP has contested parts of the lawsuit but was held liable for some portion of the damages
The above was the immediate concern. Presumably Warburg weren't alone. But I am considering buying a small stake back.
Tullett Prebon acquired ICAP in 2016 from what then became NEX Group. So, the liability arose long before TP's purchase. Presumably, if NEX is shielding TCAP from the liability there might be some exposure if they can't cover it. This will remain until all legal action is completed and claims relating to this settled.
Dear all, TP Icap (LON:TCAP) thanks for all the very helpful information regarding TCAP legal position. I will keep my very small position placed mid July for now. I resisted commenting that I thought a 2% financial miss at this stage was not an immediate concern and I am glad Roland has highlighted the same. Looking from a positive view is this and the next couple of days an opportunity to purchase SP at a 8-10% discount??
Despite my reservations, I have bought back in today with a medium sized position. What I dislike is the legal risk and the dollar exposure, what I like quite a bit is that these guys do better when volatility rises (and it is) and the company is important plumbing for the financial system.
Down 5% now. Make that 7.5% now.
We can all see where the price is. Do you have anything to add other than a market commentary on price levels?
You can't see anything on Stockopedia. Unless you are looking at the live prices, you won't know what the biggest movers are.
Anyway l was replying to Doctor Dave.
TP Icap (LON:TCAP) I give up with my predictions!! Minus 9% at the open. Still, I bought another tranche at a discount so I'm happy. What was not to like in the results??
Apparently they missed the forecast: "HY adjusted operating profit of 184 mln pounds ($244.6 mln) below market estimate of 189 mln pounds, per Shore Capital"
The very minor "miss" is probably USD weakness more than anything. The results looked very good to me and valuation not exactly stretched! Share price fall more likely to be lack of news on the Parameta sale, which markets seem fixated on. I've add a few anyway.
The shares fell 9% on opening - so analysts and pundits have to invent a rationale. Vivek of Shore kindly supplied one - a profit miss or investors taking profit. The profit miss was 2.6% versus the apparent unpublished half-year forecast. The pundits preferred Vivek's first explanation rather than his second - and that has become the published narrative
Request for a review of TP Icap (LON:TCAP) please. Looks like a pretty solid set of results and still the prospect of a Parameter listing.
Morning Revs8,
I'm sure that one of us will take a look at TP Icap (LON:TCAP) today.
Roland
Read Appendix 23 of the Half Year report (later paragraphs). An AI search helps!